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45 minutes ago, Nikita Neuman said:

 

And i bet my both Arms, next in Line will be Linden Lab wo set Free Accounts to we may not Load up Mesh or Textures etc anymore, will exclude Free Acc from Events, MP, from Adult Sim´s and so on, hooorrrayyy welcome in a World without Human Rights. Disgusting!!!

The difference between Flickr free accounts and SL free accounts is SL free accounts still buy Lindens which they use to buy things from creators who DO often have premium accounts, own a region, cash out.  Free accounts can also own Private regions which generates income for LL.   Flickr free accounts are just that free.  Free accounts cost you nothing, ever.  Free accounts don't contribute anything monetary to Flickr like SL free accounts often do.

It's still a bad move for Flickr IMO.

 

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Ah ok Rowan, but Doesn´t FLICKR see, that they will loose Thousands of Members, when they say STOP to us FREE Accounts, and that means all FREE Accounts, even REAL People who are not SL Members, People who make Erotic Art in Photography or Private People who share Sexy Photos and other Free Members who do wonderful Photos.

 

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20 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

The difference between Flickr free accounts and SL free accounts is SL free accounts still buy Lindens which they use to buy things from creators who DO often have premium accounts, own a region, cash out.  Free accounts can also own Private regions which generates income for LL.   Flickr free accounts are just that free.  Free accounts cost you nothing, ever.  Free accounts don't contribute anything monetary to Flickr like SL free accounts often do.

It's still a bad move for Flickr IMO.

 

I agree 99%. Those free accounts do contribute to Flickr via the ads. For every free account that is used less often, Flickr loses ad revenue.

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32 minutes ago, Miles Beck said:

I agree 99%. My now-free SL account has spent a lot of USD and LL for "free." As for Flickr, those free accounts do contribute to Flickr via the ads. For every free account that is used less often, Flickr loses ad revenue.

May i ask you, what does that mean, Linden Lab did with my Premium Account, i forgot one Time to Pay with L$ the Monthly Fee and they set my Premium Account to   DECEASED?

Whaaat? Is this some kinda bad Joke? 

 

EDIT:   I think i found some kinda Solution for us Free Flickr Members--->  Flickriver, maybe that works? Idk?

https://www.flickriver.com/

 

HEYYY ALL i found a Alternate Website and they ALLOW NSFW--->

https://ello.co/

Its a kinda Creators Work Website and Photo Sharing like Flickr!

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I'm not really sure of how I feel about the latest thrilling round of changes from Flickr.  

On one hand I'm all yay @ all the ghastly "erotic" pics going, but on the other hand I'm mourning the leaving of some fabulous erotic artists.

Instead, they should have gotten rid of the "opted out" loophole that still sees pictures in hundreds of groups whether they apply to that group or not.  As someone who only adds their pictures to the groups they ACTUALLY fit into, seeing a vendor picture of boots in the "Kissing Avatars" group and over 280 more it probably doesn't apply to peeves me no end!!!  In fact, I have just perused the first page of the "Kissing Avatars" group pictures and there was only ONE picture featuring avatars kissing.  The rest - vendor/blog/single avatar pictures.

And yes, I do pay for Pro.  It costs me over $150 a year in my currency cos I pay monthly.

 

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10 hours ago, Nikita Neuman said:

Ah ok Rowan, but Doesn´t FLICKR see, that they will loose Thousands of Members, when they say STOP to us FREE Accounts, and that means all FREE Accounts, even REAL People who are not SL Members, People who make Erotic Art in Photography or Private People who share Sexy Photos and other Free Members who do wonderful Photos.

 

I think they do see, and I think that's exactly what they want.  Free users are almost useless to advertisers because they don't have money. Or they have money but they're less likely to spend it. Either way, that makes their data less valuable to Flickr. 

Taking action that (a) makes people more likely to purchase Pro or (b) leave Flickr altogether makes Flickr more attractive to advertisers. So any action that drives free users elsewhere is a good thing for their profit margins.

Next one will be "free users can't view Moderate or Restricted content" and after that it will be "free users get to upload no more than 100 pics" and then it will be "yeah, we're dropping free accounts altogether cos no-one was using them any more".

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   Hm. 

   Very curious about what this will do to the SL blogging community. 

   As for myself .. Well, I've been mad about that Flickr bot flagging my posts as restricted even when they absolutely shouldn't be. If they're now going to start getting rid of restricted content from free users, well, that's a recipe for disaster. 

   Do I feel as if I've been encouraged to toss $72 + 25% VAT annually at 'em? 

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While searching for Free options for Flickr, there really aren't many, if any, that offer totally free membership without restrictions.  Flickr has had it for years, slowly limiting the free accounts over the years I've been a member.   $72 seems like a lot for basically a hobby for most people but others seem to charge the same if not more.  

As far as bloggers are concerned?  Keep it G rated and delete older pics?  

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13 hours ago, Miles Beck said:

I agree 99%. Those free accounts do contribute to Flickr via the ads. For every free account that is used less often, Flickr loses ad revenue.

agree with this. and the free users on flickr are PART OF ***** MY AUDIENCE **** and the audience of every other PRO flickr user. so, free flickr users contribute to my reason to pay for flickr. 

i do agree there is a difference between SL free users and flickr free users (and i hope LL sees the value of their free users, too), but flickr free users are certainly not worthless to flickr. run off enough of my audience, and i will stop seeing the value of being a PRO member.

for some reason, flickr doesn't seem to care about that, which seems odd. surely, it MUST have occurred to them that a general reduction of site traffic and use will affect their paying customers negatively. maybe they think we won't notice when suddenly hundreds or thousands of our followers are "missing" from the "community" they claim to be trying to protect.

it's probably like someone was saying earlier (i'm sorry, i forget who or i'd quote it, it was right on target): SmugMug is positioning flickr to be sold.

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On 3/17/2022 at 12:43 PM, Maitimo said:

Well that sucks, particularly as they've already priced Pro way out of my budget. But at least it answers the question of "Which photos do I delete to stay under the 1000 limit".

 

 

When I got my renewal notice last month, I choked on the current cost of Pro.  It might be worth reading my 'peeve' post about it and how it got resolved -- at least for now.

 

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2 hours ago, Maitimo said:

Free users are almost useless to advertisers because they don't have money. Or they have money but they're less likely to spend it. Either way, that makes their data less valuable to Flickr. 

Or free users with adblock software in their browsers *makes innocent faces*

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5 minutes ago, Charalyne Blackwood said:

Or free users with adblock software in their browsers *makes innocent faces*

   My browser is the adblock software. But the companies who uses ads should thank me, keeps me from boycotting their brands!

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I just removed all my pictures. Although I've uploaded only a few moderate content pictures so far, what bothers me is the fact that they gonna prohibit uploading restricted and even moderate content for non Pro accounts in general. It seems to me they really don't care how free accounts contribute to their ecosystem. They wanna drive me away ... okays 😉

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1 hour ago, Charalyne Blackwood said:

I signed up for Ello, seems way easier than NewTumbl and minus the endless pornography. I'm there as Charalyne

On their sign up page,.it says...

We have been having issues delivering to all Yahoo accounts, we recommend using a different email provider if at all possible.

Ironic?

 

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1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said:

On their sign up page,.it says...

We have been having issues delivering to all Yahoo accounts, we recommend using a different email provider if at all possible.

Ironic?

 

I'm on Gmail, I either missed that or didn't pay attention to it 😮

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1 minute ago, Charalyne Blackwood said:

I'm on Gmail, I either missed that or didn't pay attention to it 😮

It was on the sign up page.  Flickr used to be linked to yahoo so your had to have a Yahoo account to join.

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2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

On their sign up page,.it says...

We have been having issues delivering to all Yahoo accounts, we recommend using a different email provider if at all possible.

Ironic?

 

Nah thats cos Yahoo mail sucks, and has sucked for years. I gave up on it ages ago

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9 hours ago, Brooke51 said:

it's probably like someone was saying earlier (i'm sorry, i forget who or i'd quote it, it was right on target): SmugMug is positioning flickr to be sold.

I agree with this, and, I think, positioning to be sold to Amazon or Facebook Meta or someone similar.

It makes no business sense for Smugmug to keep Flickr, they already own a (nearly) competing site (though its more aimed at professional photographers).

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4 hours ago, Charalyne Blackwood said:

I signed up for Ello, seems way easier than NewTumbl and minus the endless pornography. I'm there as Charalyne

Ello is not going to be a good fit for those posting restricted pics on Flickr:

This, from the Ello TOS;

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Ello’s community guidelines expressly forbid posting images depicting intercourse, sexual acts, masturbation and/or bodily fluids.

 

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2 minutes ago, Charalyne Blackwood said:

You can post (tasteful) nudity, as long as you make your page NSFW

Well yes, that covers Flickr's Moderate category, but just about everything covered by Flickr's Restricted category (actual sex, masturbation etc) is completely prohibited by Ello.

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