Too Many Sugar Daddies and Not Enough Salty Moms.

[Tama Suki]

1 hour ago, BranScanlon said:

Now that I've gotten all that out of my system, back on track. (OH! One more thing. I cannot say enough how much I love that Kirk gif. Bless you, internet stranger, for making my day)

So - It's funny, the second you spelled this out I knew exactly what you meant. It's been a long time since I've thought of the classic (and, if I ever go back to look at it, probably quite racist) trope of the Italian Gigolo. I had always thought it was simply another spin off of that evergreen Orientalist character "the other coming after our women". Odd now to see there was perhaps a home-grown version of this (or so it seems you're saying) which sent up the idea of Sugar Mamas who came looking for a little bit of Italy, as well as the men who may have catered to it. Can you think of any films that would be good examples of this?

Linguistically - I actually can see how salty may actually have been a choice for your terminology, since salata can also refer to that which is discreet, hidden. Surely there are some sugar mama's who might want to keep their stable secret. But - the connotations of salt in English generally lend themselves to the bitterness of the taste of salt, and the reaction one might make if one ate a teaspoon of it.

One for all could be "Venezia, la luna e tu" but there are many others whose subject is not focused on that theme but where it occurs very often.
There is one in particular, a non-valuable comedy, of which unfortunately at the moment I don't remember neither title nor director. As soon as I find it, I'll let you know. Many of those films that dealt with that theme were comedies of little value.
There is also a splendid comedy with the great Alberto Sordi who in Italy is simply a myth and is called "Un americano a Roma" and in which there are episodes that deal with that theme that are simply sensational.
The famous "La dolce vita" also somehow. Many consider it a film that speaks of the splendor of those years and instead, on the contrary, describes the decay of a simply corrupt and putrescent environment.
Another beautiful film that describes the life of those years is "Il sorpasso".
As for the theme of racism and the clichés used towards Italians, this has been dealt with very often as we are a people of migrants. But our spirit is always very self-deprecating so we have never made a real dramatic theme out of it, more like a banter.

I'm sorry to contradict you but with "salty" sometimes we mean an exuberant woman.

1 hour ago, BranScanlon said:

(OH! One more thing. I cannot say enough how much I love that Kirk gif. Bless you, internet stranger, for making my day)

😂  I first saw that gif yesterday and it made me laugh a lot!

[BranScanlon]

7 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

I believe the eye roll from @Jordan Whittwas directed towards the OP and sugar babies.  Dancing and escorting are jobs.  Wanting someone to specifically finance your SL just for the hell of it, is somewhat different.  Right up there with wishlists for random people to buy you stuff.   Because...why?

Oh thank god. Those eye rolls are hilarious, but also DEADLY.

[Bree Giffen]

I don't really like the whole 'daddy' and 'mommy' thing. Those are parental names...

How about Candy Cougar? Pleasure Patroness? Bonbon Baroness?

[Tama Suki]

29 minutes ago, Bree Giffen said:

I don't really like the whole 'daddy' and 'mommy' thing. Those are parental names...

How about Candy Cougar? Pleasure Patroness? Bonbon Baroness?

In Japan they use to say "uncle", maybe not quite the same meaning but very close I think.

[Tama Suki]

50 minutes ago, BranScanlon said:

Oh thank god. Those eye rolls are hilarious, but also DEADLY.

You guys are doing it all.
I just created a post with a funny title. You are creating all the disputes, I don't know why
I can do nothing more than indulge you.
(I still haven't figured out if these situations happen only to me or if it's a deep-rooted custom)

[Ayeleeon]

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

I believe the eye roll from @Jordan Whittwas directed towards the OP and sugar babies.  Dancing and escorting are jobs.  Wanting someone to specifically finance your SL just for the hell of it, is somewhat different.  Right up there with wishlists for random people to buy you stuff.   Because...why?

A sugar baby provides a service someone is willing to pay for just as much as a dancer an escort, a DJ or a clothing maker. Even with the wishlist, the buyer spends money for some reason, he or she gets some benefit even if it is just warm fuzzies over having made someone's day. No one in SL is forced at gunpoint to become a sugar daddy or buy items off a wishlist. Those things might not be for everyone, but we all just need to do our thing and let others do theirs

[StarlanderGoods]

40 minutes ago, Tama Suki said:

You guys are doing it all.
I just created a post with a funny title. You are creating all the disputes, I don't know why
I can do nothing more than indulge you.
(I still haven't figured out if these situations happen only to me or if it's a deep-rooted custom)

Its totally you, most of your threads (the ones that dont get locked instantly) end up as trashfires, you should do some introspection if you cant really see why.

[Rowan Amore]

Uncle is just as bad.  

49 minutes ago, Ayeleeon said:

A sugar baby provides a service someone is willing to pay for just as much as a dancer an escort, a DJ or a clothing maker. Even with the wishlist, the buyer spends money for some reason, he or she gets some benefit even if it is just warm fuzzies over having made someone's day. No one in SL is forced at gunpoint to become a sugar daddy or buy items off a wishlist. Those things might not be for everyone, but we all just need to do our thing and let others do theirs

[Giselle Kiyori]

On 1/4/2022 at 9:48 AM, Tama Suki said:

Do people make good of money from this business?

5,000L the other day with just one client and an hour of being his dream companion. That included an unexpected and lovely tip he left me beyond my normal fee. Means I did well.

I'm sure, given the tone of some of your postings, that your brain is madly screaming right now,  "5K for virtual sex!!?? That's stupid."

If you think that's silly, you should see what Lovense-enabled girls can make in a night of a few hours work in SL. I've seen 30,000L made so fast your head (the one on your shoulders) would blow off.

On 1/4/2022 at 9:37 AM, BranScanlon said:

The main purpose or activity? My time. My attention. That's it. That's all. You can get into the weeds of the SLex, but honestly that's kind of it. Sincere, active, direct attention. I was not reading other IM's, I was not browsing websites. I was being paid for my time, and so I gave 100% of my focus to the person who wished for it.

Your "job" in it is not about you. It's about making your client happy. Satisfying their needs. Sometimes those needs are directly related to SLex and that only. But a lot of the time it's a combination of being a good listener, a good conversationalist, a good rp'er, and an attentive sexual partner.

That is not easy. It does require being willing to connect with strangers. To find ways to make that connection worthwhile (meaningful is a different thing. But you at least hope the time they spend with you was worth their while) It doesn't necessarily mean you divest  yourself of ego. Just...that you're aware the purpose of your employment in their service is for a satisfying encounter. However that "satisfaction" is determined is primarily part of your clients needs.

So - yeah. It is NOT easy. Sometimes it is very hard. Sometimes there just isn't a connection to be made, and you're just a bunch of pixels for another's pleasure. Other times it is quite delightful, and a bit of a relief that you don't need to worry about what the relationship is for - it is already understood between both parties what payment for my time entails.

And this is absolutely correct. BranScanlon could not have said it better. That time is spent 100% on them, giving them whatever it is they seek. Pure focus with my only intent to please them. And it is hard work a lot of the time setting mood, responding, moving the encounter, etc. Think of it as interactive fiction being written on the fly while also moving avatars in a physical space and trying to connect with the other person and sense their unspoken need.

And also fun (most times).

[Rowan Amore]

4 minutes ago, Giselle Kiyori said:

5,000L the other day with just one client and an hour of being his dream companion. That included an unexpected and lovely tip he left me beyond my normal fee. Means I did well.

I'm sure, given the tone of some of your postings, that your brain is madly screaming right now,  "5K for virtual sex!!?? That's stupid."

If you think that's silly, you should see what Lovense-enabled girls can make in a night of a few hours work in SL. I've seen 30,000L made so fast your head (the one on your shoulders) would blow off.

And this is absolutely correct. BranScanlon could not have said it better. That time is spent 100% on them, giving them whatever it is they seek. Pure focus with my only intent to please them. And it is hard work a lot of the time setting mood, responding, moving the encounter, etc. Think of it as interactive fiction being written on the fly while also moving avatars in a physical space and trying to connect with the other person and sense their unspoken need.

And also fun (most times).

And on the other side of that, I was offered 5000L for 15 mins of my time, no emoting necessary.  He just wanted to watch his avatar with mine doing the SLex.  I said no thank you.

[Giselle Kiyori]

1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said:

And on the other side of that, I was offered 5000L for 15 mins of my time, no emoting necessary.  He just wanted to watch his avatar with mine doing the SLex.  I said no thank you.

Well, you are simply one of the most intelligent and breathtaking women in SL.

[Tama Suki]

"Is totally me" 😂

[Tama Suki]

22 minutes ago, Giselle Kiyori said:

If you think that's silly

Absolutely not! Indeed, she is a pretty crafty one.

[Ayeleeon]

27 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

And on the other side of that, I was offered 5000L for 15 mins of my time, no emoting necessary.  He just wanted to watch his avatar with mine doing the SLex.  I said no thank you.

Which is great, you made a choice that works for you and everyone respects you for it. I does not give you the right to disrespect others who make different choices.

[Tama Suki]

At least now it is clear the sense of your business which is just to make money and you have finally stripped it of that hypocritical aura of poetic service that had been exalted by someone.
Thank you.
Now I think however that there is some kind of inflation in this forum regarding this aspect of SL.
Luckily inworld things seem to work differently, at least as far as I'm concerned I didn't get the impression that the majority of users are involved in this business over there.

[StarlanderGoods]

Its like talking to a wall

[Tama Suki]

1 minute ago, StarlanderGoods said:

Its like talking to a wall

What is that i don't understand? Explain it to me for good because i want to understand.

To get money out of people who rely on an avatar without having any idea who is behind it has something that belongs to a higher morality?
Isn't it just making money?
There is nothing wrong with it (more or less) but it is just that, nothing more.

[StarlanderGoods]

4 minutes ago, Tama Suki said:

What is that i don't understand? Explain it to me for good because i want to understand.

To get money out of people who rely on an avatar without having any idea who is behind it has something that belongs to a higher morality?
Isn't it just making money?
There is nothing wrong with it (more or less) but it is just that, nothing more.

You dont like the business, you want to come off as curious and trying to learn, but you already have a bias, it doesnt matter what everyone says to you, because you already have your answer in your mind, since before you made the thread, and no one is going to change it.

For example "to get money out of people who rely on an avatar without having any idea....", you can say that its not your first language, my a**, "To get money out of people", that is clearly a negative connotation, not a faulty translation, and who are this horrible creatures taking the money from? ohhh, from the poor "...people who rely on an avatar without having any idea..." if you are as hot as your avatar behind the screen, THE CRUELTY!!

That is why I say its like talking to a wall, except that walls dont go "Im just asking questions, hyuk, hyuk" to deflect their heinous views.  I asked you straight up to clarify your position a bunch of posts ago, and you were not brave enough to do it. If you want to talk about how people make their money, or the morality of the work they do, or how much of it is purely transactional and how much is passion for what they do, drop the mask, state your position clearly, no BS.

[Tama Suki]

3 minutes ago, StarlanderGoods said:

You dont like the business, you want to come off as curious and trying to learn, but you already have a bias, it doesnt matter what everyone says to you, because you already have your answer in your mind, since before you made the thread, and no one is going to change it.

For example "to get money out of people who rely on an avatar without having any idea....", you can say that its not your first language, my a**, "To get money out of people", that is clearly a negative connotation, not a faulty translation, and who are this horrible creatures taking the money from? ohhh, from the poor "...people who rely on an avatar without having any idea..." if you are as hot as your avatar behind the screen, THE CRUELTY!!

That is why I say its like talking to a wall, except that walls dont go "Im just asking questions, hyuk, hyuk" to deflect their heinous views.  I asked you straight up to clarify your position a bunch of posts ago, and you were not brave enough to do it. If you want to talk about how people make their money, or the morality of the work they do, or how much of it is purely transactional and how much is passion for what they do, drop the mask, state your position clearly, no BS.

I don't know what to tell you friend. I just made a joking post and you people started preaching your religion.
I just said that as far as I'm concerned yours is just a business, nothing more.
There is nothing romantic about it.
It is not a service to help those who have some discomfort, it is a business.
There is not even any particular inspiration involved as far as I'm concerned, there are those who have the disposition to practice it and those who do not.
Why not be frank and admit it?
My strong perplexity lies in the fact that this horizon in these parts covers all the other aspects of the metaverse.
If I have to say it all, I am very dismayed to see that the world of art. instead, he is simply dead.

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 hour ago, Giselle Kiyori said:

5,000L the other day with just one client and an hour of being his dream companion. That included an unexpected and lovely tip he left me beyond my normal fee. Means I did well.

I'm sure, given the tone of some of your postings, that your brain is madly screaming right now,  "5K for virtual sex!!?? That's stupid."

If you think that's silly, you should see what Lovense-enabled girls can make in a night of a few hours work in SL. I've seen 30,000L made so fast your head (the one on your shoulders) would blow off.

And this is absolutely correct. BranScanlon could not have said it better. That time is spent 100% on them, giving them whatever it is they seek. Pure focus with my only intent to please them. And it is hard work a lot of the time setting mood, responding, moving the encounter, etc. Think of it as interactive fiction being written on the fly while also moving avatars in a physical space and trying to connect with the other person and sense their unspoken need.

And also fun (most times).

What you guys are describing sounds a lot like the Companions from Firefly.

https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Companion's_Guild

[LilNosferatu]

18 minutes ago, StarlanderGoods said:

You dont like the business, you want to come off as curious and trying to learn, but you already have a bias, it doesnt matter what everyone says to you, because you already have your answer in your mind, since before you made the thread, and no one is going to change it.

For example "to get money out of people who rely on an avatar without having any idea....", you can say that its not your first language, my a**, "To get money out of people", that is clearly a negative connotation, not a faulty translation, and who are this horrible creatures taking the money from? ohhh, from the poor "...people who rely on an avatar without having any idea..." if you are as hot as your avatar behind the screen, THE CRUELTY!!

That is why I say its like talking to a wall, except that walls dont go "Im just asking questions, hyuk, hyuk" to deflect their heinous views.  I asked you straight up to clarify your position a bunch of posts ago, and you were not brave enough to do it. If you want to talk about how people make their money, or the morality of the work they do, or how much of it is purely transactional and how much is passion for what they do, drop the mask, state your position clearly, no BS.

He knows exactly what he's doing. He's admitted it before, he enjoys pissing everyone off and getting people worked up, then he plays ignorant. It's not worth the time or effort.

4 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

What you guys are describing sounds a lot like the Companions from Firefly.

https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Companion's_Guild

That's exactly what I was thinking! ☺️ I absolutely loved how the Firefly verse made sex work a very diplomatic, respectable, cultured career choice with college and training and everything.

I've also read a lot of blurbs from RL escorts, sex workers, even phone sex operators who all talk about how sometimes it's not even about sexual activity or getting off, but simply companionship. Having someone be there to talk to, maybe confide in, or be vulnerable around. Because of that, I always thought using the term "Companion" was perfect for that line of work, and it was refreshing to see it portrayed as something respectable.

[Rowan Amore]

1 hour ago, Ayeleeon said:

disrespect others

Didn't do that.  I asked why people think other people should just buy them stuff.   As I've said numerous times, I have no issue whatsoever with people being paid for sex.  But call it what it is.  If you are with your sugar daddy/momma just to receive money/gifts and what they want is sex, IMO, that's a sex worker.  

 

 

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

I thought Sugar Mama and Sugar Daddy implied a relationship that is ongoing. 

Paying for an hour of companionship with no strings attached and you'll never see them again seems to be different.

Not being in the industry, I am not sure if that is right.

OP has complained several times that someone always brings sex up in every thread, then made a post dedicated to it and they still complain.  Sometimes the discussion is actually created as bait to bring people in just to troll them with inconsistencies, contrariness and feigned ignorance.  There is an ulterior motive to these posts.

[Rowan Amore]

Just now, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

I thought Sugar Mama and Sugar Daddy implied a relationship that is ongoing. 

Paying for an hour of companionship with no strings attached and you'll never see them again seems to be different.

Not being in the industry, I am not sure if that is right.

OP has complained several times that someone always brings sex up in every thread, then made a post dedicated to it and they still complain.  Sometimes the discussion is actually created as bait to bring people in just to troll them with inconsistencies, contrariness and feigned ignorance.  There is an ulterior motive to these posts.

A lot of escorts have regular customers.  The only thing I'd say is different is most (not all) Sugar Something relationship would be more monogamous.  Ya know, unless you just log in your alt when you want to be with your other Sugar Something.  😄

[Ayeleeon]

35 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

If you are with your sugar daddy/momma just to receive money/gifts and what they want is sex, IMO, that's a sex worker.  

I have to agree, and if there are people out there who do not think sugar babies are another form of sex worker, then i am a bit suprised. Of course now and then you get people who want to be a sugar baby without the sex, but i don't think they get it. That would be liek a guy going to a garage and applying ofr a mechanics job, and telling them he wants the paycheck but he doesnt actually want to fix any cars.

However you telling us you were offered money and turned it down did soiund a bit self righteous, as if you were better than those who might have chosen to take the money. Maybe I am wrong to take it that way and if so I appologize, but thats how it came across to me.