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2 hours ago, Tama Suki said:

Thank you.

I wondered if this other type of business is a kind of substitute for the first. That is, as if it were a quick coin up. What is the average duration of such a performance?

With you? Probably less than 30 seconds.

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9 hours ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

/me tries to imagine @BranScanlon on a pole and fails miserably. 

That is the extent of my RP skills.

Fail.

We call that a "thought emote".
The character of your rp partner can not read your mind. He is therefore not able to react to this emote realistically.

Better:

/me looks at Bran when  he mentioned that he was dancing on poles and starts to giggle hysterically.

Now your partner has got something he can respond to.

 

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3 hours ago, Caroline Takeda said:

Fail.

We call that a "thought emote".
The character of your rp partner can not read your mind. He is therefore not able to react to this emote realistically.

Better:

/me looks at Bran when  he mentioned that he was dancing on poles and starts to giggle hysterically.

Now your partner has got something he can respond to.

 

Creative writing is not a skill I possess, however, if you need someone to write a cold, facts-only scientific report, I'm your gal.  No flowery language, soul searching, or imagination required. 😁

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22 hours ago, Tama Suki said:

Do people make good of money from this business?

The business is not as lucrative as it once was, now it is difficult to make good money, there was a time it was much easier. I once made 30000L in a single month, and that was just from pole dancing for tips using text only.

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5 minutes ago, Ayeleeon said:

The business is not as lucrative as it once was, now it is difficult to make good money, there was a time it was much easier. I once made 30000L in a single month, and that was just from pole dancing for tips using text only.

Wow! It's a pretty good sum.
I guess the people who run this kind of business on a large scale have good income.
Maybe more than zyngo, but I have no idea.

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13 hours ago, Jordan Whitt said:

Whatever happened to people supporting themselves?

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People support themselves by providing a service or product to others and being paid for it. The sex industry is no different than any other in this regard. 

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18 minutes ago, Ayeleeon said:

People support themselves by providing a service or product to others and being paid for it. The sex industry is no different than any other in this regard. 

I don't quite understand what Jordan wrote (my language limit, sorry).
But I would like to say one thing.
In the thread, some have portrayed this activity as a fine art dedicated to helping others. As a kind of good-maritalism or service to help those who have problems with loneliness or serious problems in real life that do not allow them to have a satisfying sexual activity.
But let's face it, this is just about business, a service that has quite high prices.

Hey nothing wrong with the porn industry. It is now accepted and well regulated throughout the world.
Except that I think it would be appropriate to remove that mantle of falsehood that comes to become hypocrisy that I have seen proposed here.

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28 minutes ago, Tama Suki said:

I don't quite understand what Jordan wrote (my language limit, sorry).
But I would like to say one thing.
In the thread, some have portrayed this activity as a fine art dedicated to helping others. As a kind of good-maritalism or service to help those who have problems with loneliness or serious problems in real life that do not allow them to have a satisfying sexual activity.
But let's face it, this is just about business, a service that has quite high prices.

Hey nothing wrong with the porn industry. It is now accepted and well regulated throughout the world.
Except that I think it would be appropriate to remove that mantle of falsehood that comes to become hypocrisy that I have seen proposed here.

Now, that post should have been the one to start the thread with.

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18 minutes ago, StarlanderGoods said:

Now, that post should have been the one to start the thread with.

I believe that the title of my post may be susceptible to interpretation but it does not seem to me that it is clearly implied that I am trying to approach the business of porn or the escort.
Lately I read some threads that talked about the sugar daddy phenomenon or more exactly about girls looking for sugar daddies but not exactly connected to the escort scene.
Let's say that more than anything else it reminds me of some films of the sixties when in Italy there was a great ferment in the art scene and that described a type of society in full economic boom. Not exactly neorealism but more in the typical "Italian comedy" from which Woody Allen also drew a lot.
What I jokingly (and wrongly term sob) called "Salty Mommy" were a phenomenon that existed in those years. Above all, they were elderly wealthy American tourist ladies in love with Italy who spent their holidays especially in Capri and who gladly let themselves be captured by the cliché of the Italian male.
A lot of funny comedies have been made on this subject.
That's all.

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12 hours ago, Tama Suki said:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tama Suki said:

I don't quite understand what Jordan wrote (my language limit, sorry).
But I would like to say one thing.
In the thread, some have portrayed this activity as a fine art dedicated to helping others. As a kind of good-maritalism or service to help those who have problems with loneliness or serious problems in real life that do not allow them to have a satisfying sexual activity.
But let's face it, this is just about business, a service that has quite high prices.

Hey nothing wrong with the porn industry. It is now accepted and well regulated throughout the world.
Except that I think it would be appropriate to remove that mantle of falsehood that comes to become hypocrisy that I have seen proposed here.

Temporary Freedom! Finally I am allotted a few more posts! :) I did want to address these, first and foremost, before I tried to pull myself back onto our original intended track, so please indulge me a few words.

1st off - Thank you. I have never been Kirked before, and it feels a little marvelous to be so now. But I think what might be nearer to the truth would be Bugs Bunny over Captain Kirk - somewhere dancing the razor thin line between comedy and chaos, while somehow making everything they wear enticing.

In the second part (and I do want to address @Jordan Whitt's eyeroll here as well because I love it! soo expressive! :) ) I am certainly in no way close to being in the same payscale as @Bagnu, much less the peerless @Caroline Takeda. Truth be told, I never kept track of money coming in - it wasn't really that important. I suppose I might be a bit of an anomaly in that, but I felt that it was something else that was happening there, where the amount of money made little to no difference, it was the simple act of transaction that was enough.

To address that eyeroll - obviously there are multiple ways to support oneself in Second Life. Let's be honest - even the more "respectable" service industry jobs in Second Life probably earn the average Host or DJ a bit more than the average male pole dancer (I wouldn't know, I don't know the figures). However, the presupposition that those jobs are more or less respectable is one I tend to side eye as much as others might eye roll. As mentioned in a post somewhere far away from this thread, that implied hierarchy of who deserves respect, and how much and how little is full of cans of worms. I could go on at length, but in short I'll simply respond by saying "It wasn't about the money." And since I made probably very little of it, I'd argue that was true.

What the transaction of Lindens for...emotes, I suppose? For whathaveyou, what that transaction did, what it does, is establish a very strong and stable barrier, a framework if you will, for the people involved to negotiate around. This is a transaction, and the implication is that it therefore does not have pinned around it deeper emotional expectations or ties than the moment at play. Both parties can feel comfortable knowing there is no added tacit expectations after the moment itself.

At the time, I had some very severe issues with boundaries, with being able to say "No" to things I really should have. That financial barrier (however small) provided me with at least one way of preserving boundaries I might establish.

Please understand, however, that this experience would (and probably does) vary from individual to individual. Your mileage on this is probably different than mine. But I never got into being involved in either "Gigolo'ing" or "dancing" or having a "sugar mama" with the expectation of striking it rich. The point was to establish firm boundaries while also entertaining, and being reasonably flirtatious.

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18 minutes ago, BranScanlon said:

 

Temporary Freedom! Finally I am allotted a few more posts! :) I did want to address these, first and foremost, before I tried to pull myself back onto our original intended track, so please indulge me a few words.

1st off - Thank you. I have never been Kirked before, and it feels a little marvelous to be so now. But I think what might be nearer to the truth would be Bugs Bunny over Captain Kirk - somewhere dancing the razor thin line between comedy and chaos, while somehow making everything they wear enticing.

In the second part (and I do want to address @Jordan Whitt's eyeroll here as well because I love it! soo expressive! :) ) I am certainly in no way close to being in the same payscale as @Bagnu, much less the peerless @Caroline Takeda. Truth be told, I never kept track of money coming in - it wasn't really that important. I suppose I might be a bit of an anomaly in that, but I felt that it was something else that was happening there, where the amount of money made little to no difference.

To address that eyeroll - obviously there are multiple ways to support oneself in Second Life. Let's be honest - even the more "respectable" service industry jobs in Second Life probably earn the average Host or DJ a bit more than the average male pole dancer (I wouldn't know, I don't know the figures). However, the presupposition that those jobs are more or less respectable is one I tend to side eye as much as others might eye roll. As mentioned in a post somewhere far away from this thread, that implied hierarchy of who deserves respect, and how much and how little is full of cans of worms. I could go on at length, but in short I'll simply respond by saying "It wasn't about the money." And since I made probably very little of it, I'd argue that was true.

What the transaction of Lindens for...emotes, I suppose? For whathaveyou, what that transaction did, what it does, is establish a very strong and stable barrier, a framework if you will, for the people involved to negotiate around. This is a transaction, and the implication is that it therefore does not have pinned around it deeper emotional expectations or ties than the moment at play. Both parties can feel comfortable knowing there is no added tacit expectations after the moment itself.

At the time, I had some very severe issues with boundaries, with being able to say "No" to things I really should have. That financial barrier (however small) provided me with at least one way of preserving boundaries I might establish.

Please understand, however, that this experience would (and probably does) vary from individual to individual. Your mileage on this is probably different than mine. But I never got into being involved in either "Gigolo'ing" or "dancing" or having a "sugar mama" with the expectation of striking it rich. The point was to establish firm boundaries while also entertaining, and being reasonably flirtatious.

I do not understand almost anything of what you have written but I still find it very interesting. 

Here is a very important sentence that Rachel said to Deckard in a moment of dramatic awareness:
<I'm not in the business ... I * am * the business.>

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Now I have also Rachaelized you. 😆

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16 hours ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

/me tries to imagine @BranScanlon on a pole and fails miserably. 

That is the extent of my RP skills.

I imagine finding a really good escort/gigolo is difficult.  The skills of being a charming and easy going conversationalist are harder to find than most people think, but may be valuable to introverts or shy people who need confidence in socializing without the pressure of going live. It is a skill many would pay for if the general idea wasn't that it always seems to end with SLex.

The OP stated (sort of) that there seems to be more sugar daddies than sugar mamas and where would these sugar mamas be?  I have no idea, but I do not believe for one second that the use of the word salty was anything but on purpose.

 

3 hours ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

Creative writing is not a skill I possess, however, if you need someone to write a cold, facts-only scientific report, I'm your gal.  No flowery language, soul searching, or imagination required. 😁

*laughs!* Both of these things would have been perfectly fine for me in my pole days!

Here is a (not actually at all) sordid story from that time, if you'll permit me:

I was performing (I know I know) for a Hen's night out party, and it became clear (to me at least) that one of the ladies who had come was TERRIBLY uncomfortable. It just...wasn't her thing. She perhaps tipped me out of...obligation, I suppose? But followed it up with an IM saying to please not send anything sexual in response, because she was just not into it. I responded by saying I had to do something. And so I did.

What followed was a long back and forth in local and IMs of me performing Magic Tricks. None of them successfully, all of them with a great deal of bravado and enthusiasm. I am nervous to replicate the idea here, under @Caroline Takeda's ever watchful eye, but a good example would be:

/me steps to the front of the stage, bending slightly. "Now, we've never met before, have we?" and without waiting for a response he steps back, smiling broadly. "Excellent! You'll notice I have nothing up my sleeve" he flicks his arm out and back, too quickly to register. "A few magic words -  Abracapocuscadabra and hey presto!" There is nothing. "Hey presto!" Again, nothing. He digs into his sleeve for a second before looking off into the distance. "It looked so easy in the manual."

The important thing was this was an introverted person, not very skilled at emotes at all, and uncomfortable (and quite understandably so!) with any flirtation or sexual innuendo. And she STILL had a good time, with her friends, despite being in the middle of a bunch of half-naked pixels.

The moral of the story? I have NO idea, only that being a dancer was (for me) never about the money, or showing off any skills, or even really about demonstrating some half baked notion of sexual prowess. It was about meeting people where they were at, in the room at the time, and letting them feel welcome and seen. That was one of my most entertaining Hen Nights, just for that.

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46 minutes ago, BranScanlon said:

even the more "respectable" service industry jobs in Second Life probably earn the average Host or DJ a bit more than the average male pole dancer (I wouldn't know, I don't know the figures).

I do not know for sure. But I have been told, that the highest paid pole dancers in SL are men dancing in gay clubs.

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30 minutes ago, Ayeleeon said:

I do not know for sure. But I have been told, that the highest paid pole dancers in SL are men dancing in gay clubs.

I've heard that too, but I don't know how true it is.

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2 hours ago, Tama Suki said:

I believe that the title of my post may be susceptible to interpretation but it does not seem to me that it is clearly implied that I am trying to approach the business of porn or the escort.
Lately I read some threads that talked about the sugar daddy phenomenon or more exactly about girls looking for sugar daddies but not exactly connected to the escort scene.
Let's say that more than anything else it reminds me of some films of the sixties when in Italy there was a great ferment in the art scene and that described a type of society in full economic boom. Not exactly neorealism but more in the typical "Italian comedy" from which Woody Allen also drew a lot.
What I jokingly (and wrongly term sob) called "Salty Mommy" were a phenomenon that existed in those years. Above all, they were elderly wealthy American tourist ladies in love with Italy who spent their holidays especially in Capri and who gladly let themselves be captured by the cliché of the Italian male.
A lot of funny comedies have been made on this subject.
That's all.

Now that I've gotten all that out of my system, back on track. (OH! One more thing. I cannot say enough how much I love that Kirk gif. Bless you, internet stranger, for making my day)

So - It's funny, the second you spelled this out I knew exactly what you meant. It's been a long time since I've thought of the classic (and, if I ever go back to look at it, probably quite racist) trope of the Italian Gigolo. I had always thought it was simply another spin off of that evergreen Orientalist character "the other coming after our women". Odd now to see there was perhaps a home-grown version of this (or so it seems you're saying) which sent up the idea of Sugar Mamas who came looking for a little bit of Italy, as well as the men who may have catered to it. Can you think of any films that would be good examples of this?

Linguistically - I actually can see how salty may actually have been a choice for your terminology, since salata can also refer to that which is discreet, hidden. Surely there are some sugar mama's who might want to keep their stable secret. But - the connotations of salt in English generally lend themselves to the bitterness of the taste of salt, and the reaction one might make if one ate a teaspoon of it.

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55 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

Which are most likely women in RL.

Maybe. But I doubt it, here is why. True that straight men can impersonate women in strip clubs frequented by other straight men. They know what those men like, because they are one, so they can create the fantasy another guy will pay for. They understand the audience better than a woman.

A woman in a gay club will not have this advantage, it is other gay men who truly understand the audience, not her. 

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3 hours ago, BranScanlon said:

 

Temporary Freedom! Finally I am allotted a few more posts! :) I did want to address these, first and foremost, before I tried to pull myself back onto our original intended track, so please indulge me a few words.

1st off - Thank you. I have never been Kirked before, and it feels a little marvelous to be so now. But I think what might be nearer to the truth would be Bugs Bunny over Captain Kirk - somewhere dancing the razor thin line between comedy and chaos, while somehow making everything they wear enticing.

In the second part (and I do want to address @Jordan Whitt's eyeroll here as well because I love it! soo expressive! :) ) I am certainly in no way close to being in the same payscale as @Bagnu, much less the peerless @Caroline Takeda. Truth be told, I never kept track of money coming in - it wasn't really that important. I suppose I might be a bit of an anomaly in that, but I felt that it was something else that was happening there, where the amount of money made little to no difference, it was the simple act of transaction that was enough.

To address that eyeroll - obviously there are multiple ways to support oneself in Second Life. Let's be honest - even the more "respectable" service industry jobs in Second Life probably earn the average Host or DJ a bit more than the average male pole dancer (I wouldn't know, I don't know the figures). However, the presupposition that those jobs are more or less respectable is one I tend to side eye as much as others might eye roll. As mentioned in a post somewhere far away from this thread, that implied hierarchy of who deserves respect, and how much and how little is full of cans of worms. I could go on at length, but in short I'll simply respond by saying "It wasn't about the money." And since I made probably very little of it, I'd argue that was true.

What the transaction of Lindens for...emotes, I suppose? For whathaveyou, what that transaction did, what it does, is establish a very strong and stable barrier, a framework if you will, for the people involved to negotiate around. This is a transaction, and the implication is that it therefore does not have pinned around it deeper emotional expectations or ties than the moment at play. Both parties can feel comfortable knowing there is no added tacit expectations after the moment itself.

At the time, I had some very severe issues with boundaries, with being able to say "No" to things I really should have. That financial barrier (however small) provided me with at least one way of preserving boundaries I might establish.

Please understand, however, that this experience would (and probably does) vary from individual to individual. Your mileage on this is probably different than mine. But I never got into being involved in either "Gigolo'ing" or "dancing" or having a "sugar mama" with the expectation of striking it rich. The point was to establish firm boundaries while also entertaining, and being reasonably flirtatious.

I believe the eye roll from @Jordan Whittwas directed towards the OP and sugar babies.  Dancing and escorting are jobs.  Wanting someone to specifically finance your SL just for the hell of it, is somewhat different.  Right up there with wishlists for random people to buy you stuff.   Because...why?

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