Silent Mistwalker Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Maryanne Solo said: 😑😔😪 An extremely sensitive area where I am easily triggered and will not back down for any reason given my past results. Hence this tirade: (pardon me)... I've assisted students with a cognitive disability for ten years with no opinions, guidance or standards written, offered nor set as the benchmark, therefore I have adopted World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) standards regarding electronic documentation specifically tailored for whatever disability is presented, wholly in line with state and national working with children/child protection legislation having had those accreditations for the entire time of course. My aim has always been to provide a "tutor on demand" via text, video and audio links, (relative to whatever discipline is being studied by the candidate/s), outside of the classroom. Inside the classroom is hands on, one on one tutoring. With a laser like focus on wellbeing, appropriate lifestyle choices, enhancing communicative skills and personal empowerment. The most important thing I convey is how to exist in society and dealing with others, minimising stress and how to handle the sheer horror of dealing with unscrupulous egotistical individuals, loathsome enough to "lord it over" all and sundry. Including innocent disabled youth with very different and sometimes limited life experience. All of a sudden and despite amazing repeatable results, my standards aren't good enough anymore. To this day management still cant point to what standards should be implemented. Personally I think its a case of disgraceful nepotism with a formerly unobtrusive senior manager now sticking their nose in where it has never previously been required and an attempt to "shoehorn" a very average performer into my specialist area. So be it. My choices are, another position, (out of edu but still government), where I get to work alone again and double my renumeration whilst working exclusively from home, or continue on with development of my personal business and eventually rule the world. (ofc). 😍 So I am choosing both options. Past students are friends for life whom I still interact with if they need a helping hand or a shoulder to cry upon. But they generally don't, because I gave them real life examples of dealing with other peoples shift. Tirade be gone. 😛 I'm sorry. That was not aimed at you and if I am recalling right, you aren't in the US. What you said also applies to the classroom which is what I had in mind, not tutoring and definitely didn't have those in need of ""special" education in mind. What I was talking about are the public school teachers in this country that do give up and quit teaching. Not those who are forced to retire or accept a nonteaching position. I know it isn't any consolation but you can't teach/reach them all and you deserve tons of respect for what you have accomplished for those students. They certainly won't ever forget you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moondira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 hours ago, roseelvira said: Consult w your own dr. Like w cancer one size does not fit all. NOTE == NOT ALL CANCER PATIENTS are able to get the vax due to the treatment/s they are doing at the moment. It is heartbreaking for the patients who are doing cancer treatment and cannot get the vax at this time being told by certain news media persons the unvaxed should be left behind or not be able to get medical treatment if they have an emergency and have to go to the er! That was the most heartless thing an anchor spokesperson/s could say to unvaxed people who due to cancer and the treatment cannot get the vax at this time. "No er treatment ...leave them behind," said the tv anchors/s and famous tv persons. To the tv anchors/s and famous tv persons remember, cancer patients who cannot get vaxed are part of the unvaxed people you said on the news and tv shows you want to throw away ...shameful!!! And there are other medical conditions as well. Example, some heart conditions the vax is at this time not advisable. Chemo & other cancer treatments have a number of bad side effects that may not happen on the first or second day after infusion. What are they to do if they need to go to the er and not vaxed due to the cancer treatment???? Be turned away just because a few of the famous anchors or tv persons say to do that? I wonder how many have had a heart-to-heart talk w your own dr about what is personally right for you.? Note our cancer Drs /oncologists/surgeons are very well informed, highly educated. Talk to your dr In any medical treatment One size does not fit all. Nobody said that about cancer patients who can't be vaccinated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseelvira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Moondria, The tv anchor/s, tv show host/s, famous said" The unvaxed " People w cancer medical or other medical conditions who are not vaxed are considered the unvaxed . You are either vaxed or not. Did you see the shows? Or hear what the anchor/s , tv show host/s, famous said & the look on the anchor/s face {one in particular} when they were speaking??? And one tv show host/s attitude when speaking about the unvaxed and how they should be refused medical or er treatment. I did and was so upset as was my real-life husband!!! I did not post the names of the anchor/s, the tv show host /s, /famous person/s. Their generalization" The unvaxed " has created a very negative view and huge lack of trust of the anchor/s, tv show host/s & famous who stated " If you're not vaxed you should not be treated." They did not say with the exception of those who cannot be vaxed due to medical conditions. They said the unvaxed.!!!. Shame on them .... And that has caused even more stress, emotional pain and anxiety to people already going through medical hell. Before an anchor /s tv show host/s or famous person speaks they need to remember everyone who they are speaking to and or about and not use careless generalizations. Edited September 21, 2021 by roseelvira spelling grammar and still upset trying to clarify original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 2:17 PM, Coffee Pancake said: Which leads to people citing infowars and claiming politics when they get laughed at. Give InfoWars its due, it called out the Fauci fiasco, the masking madness, as well as the vaccine vitriol, long before the loopy leftists did. No doubt there will be more of their prophetic sciences proven right as time goes on. They who laugh last, laugh best but unfortunate so many have to die prematurely before the truth of the Covid narrative is proven to be a lie. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 20 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said: Do my numbers make you feel any differently about the Covid-2019/Flu-1918 comparison than what you hear from Ms. Garrett? Do my numbers have you asking new questions, like why does India seem to be doing so much better than the US, even though their vaccination rate greatly lags ours? 10x, or an order of magnitude off, the numbers are big either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finite Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Oo nice! A new title... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, roseelvira said: The tv anchor/s, tv show host/s, famous said" The unvaxed " People w cancer medical or other medical conditions who are not vaxed are considered the unvaxed . You are either vaxed or not. Did you see the shows? Or hear what the anchor/s , tv show host/s, famous said & the look on the anchor/s face {one in particular} when they were speaking??? And one tv show host/s attitude when speaking about the unvaxed and how they should be refused medical or er treatment. I did and was so upset as was my real-life husband!!! I did not post the names of the anchor/s, the tv show host /s, /famous person/s. Their generalization" The unvaxed " has created a very negative view and huge lack of trust of the anchor/s, tv show host/s & famous who stated " If you're not vaxed you should not be treated." They did not say with the exception of those who cannot be vaxed due to medical conditions. They said the unvaxed.!!!. Shame on them .... And that has caused even more stress, emotional pain and anxiety to people already going through medical hell. Before an anchor /s tv show host/s or famous person speaks they need to remember everyone who they are speaking to and or about and not use careless generalizations. If that newsperson is going to go on a tirade about how the unvaxed should be refused ER assistance he definitely should specify that not all people are unvaxed by choice, as you describe with your husband. I can understand how that would frighten those having to endure an illness already and now worry they might be refused medical treatment. I do understand his anger though, as most people had a choice whether to receive the vaccination, and if those who had a choice are clogging up intensive care beds due to their actions and others can't get needed help they should be held to some sort of accountability or consequence. In some communities there are no intensive care beds available for people having medical events not related to Covid. I pity the nurse or doctor who has to make a choice regarding who to save. This already happened in the early days of Covid, and at that time in some locations they had to choose who they thought would be more likely to survive. I told my daughter (who has brain cancer) not to tell anyone of her diagnosis should she end up in the hospital, as they could easily believe she had no future when she very likely has a a few good years ahead of her...vital years both for herself and my grandchild who needs his mother. It's nearly all the unvaxed who are dying from Covid now, btw. I can't subscribe to the attitude of some that they're getting what they deserve, but I do believe they should not be allowed to cause others needing ICU care to die via clogging up intensive care beds. We are now losing babies to Covid: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/19/health/kids-misc-scientists-study-khn-partner/index.html Edited September 21, 2021 by Luna Bliss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dano Seale Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 2:11 AM, Pixie Kobichenko said: The nicki minaj cousins balls thing is as funny & ludicrous as the maybe a real or maybe a trolling FB comment last year (cause who can tell what is a joke or not anymore with the craziness going on) about the woman whose husband was forced to wear a mask on a business trip & caught chlamydia….. that’s not what he caught it from unless the mask was made from worn panties. 🤭🤫🤪 🦠🩲 but seriously it’s like we’ve been plopped down into the movie Idiocracy. People actually marry people who spell that badly? She must be fantastic looking and a demon in bed. May be the reason he was wearing her panties as a mask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseelvira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Luna where are you getting your information as i am curious as to your sources of information with this whole covi situation. Thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, roseelvira said: Luna where are you getting your information as i am curious as to your sources of information with this whole covi situation. Thank you in advance. Which assertions are you questioning? It would help if you narrowed it down as my post came from numerous sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseelvira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: that not all people are unvaxed by choice, as you describe with your husband. Luna , trying to clarify your statement above 12 hours ago, roseelvira said: Did you see the shows? Or hear what the anchor/s , tv show host/s, famous said & the look on the anchor/s face {one in particular} when they were speaking??? And one tv show host/s attitude when speaking about the unvaxed and how they should be refused medical or er treatment. I did and was so upset as was my real-life husband!!! NOTE I never stated our vax status. It to me reads you assume that my husband is not vaxed not accusing just trying to make sure i understand you. I stated we were both upset to the person'/s statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseelvira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Luna wrote """""Which assertions are you questioning? It would help if you narrowed it down as my post came from numerous sources."""" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luna, I am referring to in general. Is the information from news media sources, bloggers, researchers, Drs? Is it from reading what they may have posted or stated on tv or other media / research papers? Have you had a one on one in person heart to heart w your sources of information? Just curious. Edited September 21, 2021 by roseelvira spelling and thinggy not posting what i type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Can we "do our own research" on just people we don't like, or groups we disagree with? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, roseelvira said: NOTE I never stated our vax status. It to me reads you assume that my husband is not vaxed not accusing just trying to make sure i understand you. I stated we were both upset to the person'/s statement You were upset about a news anchor who apparently stated unvaxxed people should not receive ER treatment. You mentioned that people with cancer sometimes are unable to receive the vaccination and assumed he was lumping them in with the unvaxxed. You've discussed your husbands battle with cancer on the forum. I assumed you were worried about your husband too, as well as others who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. While you never stated your vaccination status, I made the assumption about your husband from the above, as well as other comments you've made on the forum. For example, you often champion conservative causes and side with your church on issues -- most who shun vaccination come from conservative and/or religious groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, roseelvira said: I am referring to in general. Is the information from new media sources, bloggers, researchers, drs? Is it from reading what they may have posted or stated on tv or other media / research papers? Have you had a one on one in person heart to heart w your sources of information? I derive my beliefs from many sources, and I never believe just one source but instead try to verify it from many other sources as well. This includes news reports, scientific studies, as well as books written by well-respected writers, usually scholars. For example, take the assertion I made that in earlier Covid times in some locations Intensive Care Units (ICU's) were filled to capacity and those needing care were turned away. Now I didn't automatically believe the first news report on it, but instead held it in my head as a possibility as other reports filtered in throughout the weeks. I found a news source in Italy, and a subsequent book with good references wrote about the problems at that time. I saw interviews from those who had lost loved ones in the fiasco, having to care for loved ones at home while they died. All of these multiple inputs led me to believe that this indeed happened. In more recent months news reports (TV & online) have reported that ICU's were filled to capacity in some communities. This was reported on my local TV news, and in some written articles. They were having to fly patients to surrounding areas for treatment in my community. I encountered a repair person who knew a nurse who verified the problem, and described the morgue trucks in the hospital parking lot (anecdotal, so less reliable, but was one more bit of data to consider). If I really wanted to be sure this was true I could have called a hospital and asked the likelihood of being admitted. It's a complex process, and it's not foolproof. Much easier to just turn on Fox News or InfoWars and believe they are spouting the truth so I do see why this happens -- people tend to want something simple, absolute, and easy to access. However, that is not the reality we live in. Edited September 21, 2021 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseelvira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: While you never stated your vaccination status, I made the assumption about your husband from the above, as well as other comments you've made on the forum. . Luna , Never ever make assumptions!!! Remember the old saying about the word assume, People, especially cancer patients know how important health and life are!!! The vax has /is available for some cancer patients that their drs say in their particular personal medical situation is ok to take, other will have to wait or finish the treatment/s. Some cancer patient's unfortunately will never be able to take the vax due to certain types of cancers and infusions and treatments. We were/ are fortunate that the cancer center /was /is giving the vax to cancer patients who were cleared by their personal surgeon/Dr. to get the vax. It is this type of assumptions that at times person/s make that causes problems. Luna, making assumptions is beneath you as you are a very intelligent person. Assuming leads to bad information and harms both the person who assumes and the one the assumptions are made about. 49 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: For example, you often champion conservative causes and side with your church on issues -- most who shun vaccination come from conservative and/or religious groups. Assuming and generalizations. Many people who attend church have / are/ will be getting vaxed. Edited September 21, 2021 by roseelvira thinggy not posting correctly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, roseelvira said: Luna , Never ever make assumptions!!! Remember the old saying about the word assume, People, especially cancer patients know how important health and life are!!! We were/ are fortunate that the cancer center /was /is giving the vax to cancer patients who were cleared by their personal surgeon/Dr. to get the vax. It is this type of assumptions that at times person/s make that causes problems. Luna, making assumptions is beneath you as you are a very intelligent person. Assuming leads to bad information and harms both the person who assumes and the one the assumptions are made about. Nah. Assumptions are made from numerous data points, and I had more than enough data points to base an assumption on. But whether or not your husband took a vaccine is kind of beside the point, as the crux of the matter (per your annoyance at the news anchor) is that some are championing not giving ER treatment to unvaxxed people. As I said, I'm against restricting treatment if there are ER beds available as nobody should die due to a mistake, but when there's no room for ill people needing intensive care space due to the unvaxxed hogging it...well...my feelings about these unvaxxed people is less sympathetic. What do you feel about that? Say there is one bed left in a hospital and you must choose between an unvaxxed person who caught Covid vs one who took the vaccine and is having a non-Covid emergency? Which one would you allow to have that one remaining bed in the hospital? And who is this news anchor railing against the unvaxxed, btw,...you never mentioned their name.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, roseelvira said: 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: For example, you often champion conservative causes and side with your church on issues -- most who shun vaccination come from conservative and/or religious groups. Assuming and generalizations. Many people who attend church have / are/ will be getting vaxed. It depends on the church denomination and area of the country, but recent surveys show that the unvaxxed tend to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and politically conservative. My personal data points come from all these repair guys who visited me of late (since everything decided to break down in the middle of this Covid crises it seems)! And they were almost all conservative evangelicals who will not take the vaccine. Reasons were "naw, I'm healthy", and "it's unsafe cause we haven't tested it enough", and "oh just a teeny weeny amount of people die...less than with the flu even". Sigh. Some of them are very nice guys, and I did my best to encourage vaccination. Fingers crossed* Edited September 21, 2021 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 21 hours ago, roseelvira said: Consult w your own dr. Like w cancer one size does not fit all. NOTE == NOT ALL CANCER PATIENTS are able to get the vax due to the treatment/s they are doing at the moment. It is heartbreaking for the patients who are doing cancer treatment and cannot get the vax at this time being told by certain news media persons the unvaxed should be left behind or not be able to get medical treatment if they have an emergency and have to go to the er! That was the most heartless thing an anchor spokesperson/s could say to unvaxed people who due to cancer and the treatment cannot get the vax at this time. "No er treatment ...leave them behind," said the tv anchors/s and famous tv persons. To the tv anchors/s and famous tv persons remember, cancer patients who cannot get vaxed are part of the unvaxed people you said on the news and tv shows you want to throw away ...shameful!!! And there are other medical conditions as well. Example, some heart conditions the vax is at this time not advisable. Chemo & other cancer treatments have a number of bad side effects that may not happen on the first or second day after infusion. What are they to do if they need to go to the er and not vaxed due to the cancer treatment???? Be turned away just because a few of the famous anchors or tv persons say to do that? I wonder how many have had a heart-to-heart talk w your own dr about what is personally right for you.? Note our cancer Drs /oncologists/surgeons are very well informed, highly educated. Talk to your dr In any medical treatment One size does not fit all. Meanwhile, the American Cancer Society is saying that there is very little danger with giving COVID vaccines to cancer patients because they aren't live-virus vaccines, and that it would be worse for a cancer patient to get COVID than the vaccine. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/physical-side-effects/low-blood-counts/infections/covid-19-vaccines-in-people-with-cancer.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulated Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: It depends on the church denomination and area of the country, but recent surveys show that the unvaxxed tend to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and politically conservative. Uh, no and I would like to see your source for this claim. via: https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ I just wanted to edit this post to add that saying this group or that group is more or less vaccinated is doing as much harm as those conspiracy sites that says COVID isn't real. You may not think so but it does. People need TRUTHFUL information about this and they need to get vaccinated, regardless of their vaccination status by group/race/gender. Get vaccinated! Edited September 21, 2021 by Modulated 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 lol too much "In a push designed to treat unvaccinated Americans like an oppressed group, Republicans are reportedly pursuing a series of bills that would make it illegal to “discriminate” against those who choose not to get the COVID-19 vaccine. At least one state—Montana—has already signed such a bill into law, and according to Axios, others around the country are following suit". "Kirk has compared vaccine requirements to South African apartheid, and GOP Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has likened mask mandates and the treatment of unvaccinated Americans to that of Jews in prewar Nazi Germany". https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/republicans-want-unvaccinated-protected-group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulated Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: lol too much "In a push designed to treat unvaccinated Americans like an oppressed group, Republicans are reportedly pursuing a series of bills that would make it illegal to “discriminate” against those who choose not to get the COVID-19 vaccine. At least one state—Montana—has already signed such a bill into law, and according to Axios, others around the country are following suit". "Kirk has compared vaccine requirements to South African apartheid, and GOP Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has likened mask mandates and the treatment of unvaccinated Americans to that of Jews in prewar Nazi Germany". https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/republicans-want-unvaccinated-protected-group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseelvira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: What do you feel about that? Say there is one bed left in a hospital and you must choose between an unvaxxed person who caught Covid vs one who took the vaccine and is having a non-Covid emergency? Which one would you allow to have that one remaining bed in the hospital? The bed situation in any hospital if there are no beds patients go on the portable mobile Gurnie's put in the hallway, tables whatever they can use. If someone came in w covi not able to breath/ not able to talk, be able to tell them why not vaxed due to medical situation then asked are you unvaxed patient shakes head yes, passed out without being able to tell why they could not get vaxed and left to die. Sadly, the dr did not know all the info and government told Drs. not to treat the unvaxed is also another side to this situation. Note When a person/s in Acute respiratory distress crisis one cannot talk, A medical professional will try to save lives no matter the vax status and they do separate them from others. I myself i would do everything i could to save both for i do not know the reason they chose not or could not get vaxed. I think people would be surprised how many due to medical situations cannot get the vax . Edited September 21, 2021 by roseelvira 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseelvira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Again one size does not fit all. It depends on the patient, the treatment/s the cancer/s Edited September 21, 2021 by roseelvira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseelvira Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 People with cancer depends on many factors, such as the type of cancer a person has (had), if they are still being treated for cancer, and if their immune system is working properly. Because of this, it’s best to talk with your doctor before getting any type of vaccine. Since the situation for every person is different, it is best to discuss the risks and benefits of getting one of the COVID-19 vaccines with your cancer doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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