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The end of gachas is sadly not the end of the ill nature of some people.


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7 hours ago, Sid Nagy said:

Didn't we have this all before in that ugly long thread with repeat after repeat after repeat of the several available mantras?

But we will obviously need a follow up thread after Sept 1st, since many questions were never answered or resolved in the original thread, by LL or the businesses affected.

The silence is deafening.  I guess we will know how it works out when it happens. 

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1 hour ago, Kimmi Zehetbauer said:

Will be interesting after the 1st of September. I'm sure a few shops that never check the mboards or even the SL website will be aware. Although I think a message appeared on the splash screen when logging in, most ignore what's there.

I am sure word of mouth travels and they will see notices in groups and stuff. All banning Gachas did was take money out of LL's pockets. A lot of creators will just take their businesses to other grids and sell them there if they don't already have something established there already. Same people cheering the Gacha demise don't realize they are slicing their own throats in the long run as well too. Less money circulating in the big money machine means less money and lack of services all around. Just one more step to the inevitable. It's only a matter of time.😎

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2 hours ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

But also obviously- transferable.

OK well that's a totally whole different story then and thank you.
I'm one of the first inline to gift either lindens or buy something for a stressed out noob.

That really is half the fun of SL - helping newcomers finish off their look or whatever. 
I had never equated gachas to gifting or presents.  

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48 minutes ago, Velk Kerang said:

I am sure word of mouth travels and they will see notices in groups and stuff. All banning Gachas did was take money out of LL's pockets. A lot of creators will just take their businesses to other grids and sell them there if they don't already have something established there already. Same people cheering the Gacha demise don't realize they are slicing their own throats in the long run as well too. Less money circulating in the big money machine means less money and lack of services all around. Just one more step to the inevitable. It's only a matter of time.😎

Part of the blame on some creators that got greedy and put stuff only in a gacha instead of a vendor. But all this was covered in the original gacha thread.

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26 minutes ago, Kimmi Zehetbauer said:

Part of the blame on some creators that got greedy and put stuff only in a gacha instead of a vendor. But all this was covered in the original gacha thread.

I'm not at all surprised mate. I know they had a few Gacha only stores out there. I never really went to any of them myself unless someone took me there. I normally just buy what I want to out right. Thanks for pointing that out though. I probably missed that bit. That thread was starting to make my eyes bleed. lol🤣😎

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18 hours ago, Victoria Evergarden said:

These people with a abusive nature often defend themselves with "they have a choice" i'm sure the casino say the exact same while having set up traps before you even enter Las Vegas.

 

I mean isn't that example a bit comical?

Sounds like you spent way too much on those virtual items. Run! Run as fast as you can! :P

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11 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

But we will obviously need a follow up thread after Sept 1st, since many questions were never answered or resolved in the original thread, by LL or the businesses affected.

The silence is deafening.  I guess we will know how it works out when it happens. 

I agree with you Jaylin, but it has to be a thread about solving problems an perhaps new business ideas then.


But not so much about "ZOMG I really really really need gachas, I love them, I need them, I want them, I die for them" (damn that could be opening lines for a hit single) or 'good that they are gone, I hated them, they were the plague, Is there a Gacha Anonymous self support group?"  I have seen totally enough posts of those for the next 18 years or so.

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Side one: Gachas are wholesome and neat - LL are terrible for banning this wonderful awesomeness and now all of SL will die because I cannot do this one thing that I enjoy!

Side two: Gachas are terrible terrorists that enslave most of the residents of the grid and now, finally, at long last, people can be free to breathe!

Here we go again! (At least until the thread gets locked.)

 

 

 

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I wish people could show a little bit more empathy.

Gachas aren't my thing and in most part, I regret having wasted money on them.

But the people around me seem to have enjoyed gachas in SL and consider this a real loss. Conversely, I haven't seen anyone who has legitimately been hurt by them (which is the underlying reason as to why it's banned). The only harm I can think of was Marketplace Search results polluted by gachas, but LL fixed that. So here's my question:

Does anyone know of any real cases where people were financially and or mentally hurt though the practice of playing gachas? Don't bother answering if you're only going to speculate and make assumptions, or heard from a friend who told a friend.

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I've only ever did Gacha a few times, all from merchants that I've always shopped from..

They aren't really big into gachas and might have had anywhere from one to four machines there.. The ones I did Gacha from anyways..

I got all of what I wanted pretty quick with maybe a few extras, but they also didn't do one item at a time either.. what they call rares didn't seem to take too long to get either..

That's where most of my extras came from, was the rares.

But like I said, I only ever played Gacha a few times.

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1 hour ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

 

Does anyone know of any real cases where people were financially and or mentally hurt though the practice of playing gachas? Don't bother answering if you're only going to speculate and make assumptions, or heard from a friend who told a friend.

My friend quit SL from playing too much no-devil. Gacha didn't seem to be an issue but she did seem to act weird around them so I stopped letting her know when I found a good one to play since it would usually lead her to playing more no-devil.

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2 hours ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

I wish people could show a little bit more empathy.

Gachas aren't my thing and in most part, I regret having wasted money on them.

But the people around me seem to have enjoyed gachas in SL and consider this a real loss. Conversely, I haven't seen anyone who has legitimately been hurt by them (which is the underlying reason as to why it's banned). The only harm I can think of was Marketplace Search results polluted by gachas, but LL fixed that. So here's my question:

Does anyone know of any real cases where people were financially and or mentally hurt though the practice of playing gachas? Don't bother answering if you're only going to speculate and make assumptions, or heard from a friend who told a friend.

I'm not sure how "direct" you're looking for, but some time ago there was apparently a lot of financial fraud in the buying of high-cost gacha rares.

 

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Changed "selling" to "buying" to better describe what end the fraud was on.
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11 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

I'm not sure how "direct" you're looking for, but some time ago there was apparently a lot of financial fraud in the selling of high-cost gacha rares.

 

Reading that thread it sounds like the servers were the problem and LL just passed the losses incurred to the customers.

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Ok, hands up I didn't read through the entire 150 + pages of the previous thread, but surely LL are having to comply with USA law in the gacha removal?  If there is ire to direct it would be better aimed at the people who make US law. 

Necessary disclaimers: It doesn't affect me; I didn't use gachas to sell stuff and I didn't play them either.  I don't care if they are here or not, and I have no beef with US law as I don't live there, but there's no point being mad at LL.  They're a US based company and they have to comply with the law, move jurisdictions or cease trading. 

That's all.  Have a super day, m'chums on the f'rums xxxxxxx

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32 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

I'm not sure how "direct" you're looking for, but some time ago there was apparently a lot of financial fraud in the selling of high-cost gacha rares.

 

Hmm this wasn't about fraud selling gachas it was about how the money was obtained in buying said gacha. Hence the money was removed from the sellers because the buyer got the lindens they used to buy it fraudulently. It was an issue because the items were no copy and the sellers not only lost their lindens but the items they sold to the fraudster too.

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4 minutes ago, Pixieplumb Flanagan said:

Ok, hands up I didn't read through the entire 150 + pages of the previous thread, but surely LL are having to comply with USA law in the gacha removal?  If there is ire to direct it would be better aimed at the people who make US law. 

Necessary disclaimers: It doesn't affect me; I didn't use gachas to sell stuff and I didn't play them either.  I don't care if they are here or not, and I have no beef with US law as I don't live there, but there's no point being mad at LL.  They're a US based company and they have to comply with the law, move jurisdictions or cease trading. 

That's all.  Have a super day, m'chums on the f'rums xxxxxxx

There isn't any laws (yet) in the US regarding Gacha however it's possible some law is in the works in CA where SL is located.

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2 hours ago, Elysienne Nebula said:

Side one: Gachas are wholesome and neat - LL are terrible for banning this wonderful awesomeness and now all of SL will die because I cannot do this one thing that I enjoy!

Side two: Gachas are terrible terrorists that enslave most of the residents of the grid and now, finally, at long last, people can be free to breathe!

Here we go again! (At least until the thread gets locked.)

 

Side three: Gacha's are okay-ish.

I played enough gacha's to last me a lifetime (I do have an alt that sells the doubles..in the hundreds), I am neither upset about it nor elated. I do see both sides yet I am not upset they're gone for good and I fully understand and agree why that is.

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I was told by someone I used to work with who lives in Nevada --- which had legalized gambling for some time --- plays a popular MMO and RNG type loot boxes won't show up in the games cash shop. When she stayed in California with her kid, the loot boxes were there. Guess the NV casinos don't want competition from loots.

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2 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:
2 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

I'm not sure how "direct" you're looking for, but some time ago there was apparently a lot of financial fraud in the selling of high-cost gacha rares.

 

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Reading that thread it sounds like the servers were the problem and LL just passed the losses incurred to the customers.

Actually, accounts were buying super rare gachas - likely to resell - with money obtained fraudulently.  When LL discovered the fraudulent activity, they removed the L$ from the original sellers accounts -- causing those sellers to lose both the product and the money.  However, LL then implemented a process for the original sellers to get their money back, since they had lost their original product through no fault of their own.

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19 hours ago, Velk Kerang said:

A lot of creators will just take their businesses to other grids and sell them there if they don't already have something established there already.

No, as a whole, they won't, the overall audiences on those other grids is already puny compared to sl. Any creators that do attempt to do so, whether or not they already exist in those other places will quite quickly realize just how tiny their target market(s) in those places truly are. They will realize the losses (resources, time, etc..) to create or sell in those places will overshadow most profit (save for truly well established businesses, which still won't likely succeed trying to change how they do things to adding in gacha selling methods..but, I digress on that bit).  Then they will come back here, and, hopefully, work through the math in their heads, on their appendages, or using whatever tools they need to, in order to realize that selling those same wares they once sold in (or would have) a gacha machine can be placed in normal vendors and will give them far more profit than trying to do so on some other, mostly untraveled, grid.  Unless of course they're perfectly fine with selling less product and reaching a much, much, much more tiny audience...then, sure, maybe they will. (still not likely, but I'll play devil's advocate).

19 hours ago, Velk Kerang said:

Same people cheering the Gacha demise don't realize they are slicing their own throats in the long run as well too

Nope, sellers that are choosing to try and find ways to get around the new policy changes by utilizing similar methods, rather than going with well established selling methods that have worked since 2003 are the ones shooting themselves in the foot. They could've had all (maybe most in some cases, all in a lot though) of those shiny gachas, new products, old products, etc.. in vendors (of all kinds) by now, and they'd be making more and more profit everyday. It's not rocket science, it's not even close to that complex to sell items in sl, it's really not. It's even less complex to buy them ;) 

19 hours ago, Velk Kerang said:

Less money circulating in the big money machine means less money and lack of services all around.

Nope, not how it needs to work. There wouldn't be less money circulating if people would quit boo-hooing at the new changes (yes, I am reasonable, I understand people don't like it, but the policy isn't getting reverted, it's here, we need to deal...it might suck for some, it is what it is) and start seeing how they can not only increase their profit but also help the whole of sl move on. People are overcomplicating the whole thing for no real reason, aside from the fact that folks want to discuss why they do or do not like the change. I get that part, even if LL maybe doesn't want people doing it, I get the desire. But, still, this whole transition from gacha machines to normal vendors doesn't need to be this complicated and is actually likely to create more profit for quite a few creators when they realize just how many people would love to buy their wares if they could just click a vendor, pay for the item they want, and move on to the next thing they want to buy. Creators can even cut down on the issues of having so many gacha machines (some have a lot) in one place by using multi-item vendors that cause a bit less script lag (note I did not say lag, but script lag as that's really the main thing people complain about, overall lag is a horse of another color altogether). Merchants and creators have way more options than they think, and so do shoppers when the other parties implement those options. 

This weird reliance on gachas (or any similar system) as a prime selling mechanism doesn't need to exist, there's no need for such a dependence from merchants/creators or shoppers, really. Just look at how many people (big sellers, small ones, everyone in between..) have been selling in sl for years, well over a decade in so many examples, and not once have they used gacha machines and similar. If they can do it, anyone can :D 

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24 minutes ago, Katt Dragoone said:

note to self: take special army grade gear when going to Vegas to avoid such traps.

When we've gone to a casino --- we take a certain amount and stick to our limits. I consider playing the slots, tables, etc as entertainment, like going to the movies or a dinner. Any winnings we get we consider a bonus.   The odds are always in the house's favour.

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