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On 8/19/2021 at 5:57 PM, Coffee Pancake said:

Facebooks metaverse has avatars entirely missing everything below the waist line. ROBLOX and others have strong moderation policies.

Only Fans is banning adult content October 1st 2021 to satisfy demands from banking and credit processing partners. 

Obviously, the suggestion that SL wouldn't be silly enough to try is no longer valid, Only Fans are a much bigger business than SL and they just told Tumblr to hold their beer and went for it.

 

Should we be worried ?

 

I wouldn't personally worry only because that ship has long since sailed. Even if they tried I suspect a lot of people would just move on to either other platforms and/or other grids where everything is cheaper and/or free anyway. Most people are on main grid because most of us are already established and have ties here and have invested tons of money in to the platform already and a lot of us have businesses. So the more cords they cut the more easier it will be for people to say stuff it and move on. I don't see them ready to loose about 80 to 90 percent of their player base unless they just want to go out of businesses already. lol😎

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https://www.mastercard.com/news/perspectives/2021/protecting-our-network-protecting-you-preventing-illegal-adult-content-on-our-network/

This goes into effect in October. On the 15th to be exact. 

Here is a third party article on the change with further information on what payment gateways and merchants received; https://www.commercegate.com/blog/mastercard-issued-an-updated-set-of-rules-and-requirements-for-adult-merchants/

I won't enter into the arena of if this change would affect second life but I'd suggest this read for some context.

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7 minutes ago, Bitterthorn said:

https://www.mastercard.com/news/perspectives/2021/protecting-our-network-protecting-you-preventing-illegal-adult-content-on-our-network/

This goes into effect in October.

I won't enter into the arena of if this change would affect second life but I'd suggest this read for some context.

That was an interesting read. Thank you so very much for that. I get why and I applaud their goal. I'm just curious as to how they will implement it without violating peoples civil rights. I'm curious how it would work in actual practice. I personally don't think it will effect SL or the average consumer at all.👍

I could be wrong, but I just got this mental image of some fat hairy old dude trying to buy a blow up doll from China or some place using his MasterCard. lol I'm thinking those are the type of people it will effect. lol I mean like I said I could be wrong. I'm just not feeling that I need to worry about it vibe. lol😎

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16 minutes ago, Velk Kerang said:

That was an interesting read. Thank you so very much for that. I get why and I applaud their goal. I'm just curious as to how they will implement it without violating peoples civil rights. I'm curious how it would work in actual practice. I personally don't think it will effect SL or the average consumer at all.👍

I could be wrong, but I just got this mental image of some fat hairy old dude trying to buy a blow up doll from China or some place using his MasterCard. lol I'm thinking those are the type of people it will effect. lol I mean like I said I could be wrong. I'm just not feeling that I need to worry about it vibe. lol😎

I think you will find that indeed it does apply to Second Life.

And what matters is how the Lindens till react to this latest development in the "regulatory climate" of which they are astute students.

They could begin to require "payment on file' for all accounts, or even require government ID as they do now for those who wish to access adult regions like Zindra. Anonymous free accounts have been a bedrock of SL since the start, which many associate with griefers, but others realize they are their customers. 

Will some people who have "non-consensual" on their profile now have to remove it? 

The Lindens waited until the very last minute until Master Card came calling to *them* about child pornography issues. 

Will they wait now?

Do they believe they ALREADY have all the systems in place they need to comply with Mastercard's generally reasonable policy (I find PayPal's policy way more overbroad).

I don't think you can be confident of anything. And that LL may not reassure you publicly as that may bind them to some process they don't want to be in.

As with gatcha, which I did not make, but occasionally re-sold, and which for the large part my tenants did not make, and only occasionally be sold, I could say "oh, but that doesn't affect me". I am not in the adult content business and keep only one little rentals area in Zindra simply to have it for those who request it and to have a presence in a continent. But I have been in SL long enough to know that we are in a small, interconnected world and of course this would affect every one of us, as gatcha will do.

Many people go into Zindra or Horizons not because they engage in adult activity, but simply so that they never have to face anybody abuse reporting them for anything they might do, rarely or often. Because governance cases arise from other residents filing ARs on you, not from LL going around and policing sims. 

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49 minutes ago, Innula Zenovka said:

And what downloadable content do you there is that a prosecutor might ask a court in the US to consider about someone's actual activities in SL?

Well, you could start by looking at your own computer and see what is downloaded from it from SL, some by LL, some by your own hand.

And as with all forums conversations, this one is really impossible to have. You can invoke that you "used to have to know this for work," but with privacy considerations, which I wholly support, you don't have to say when you had that job, whether it was before Brexit, what the job was, the name of the company, and your legal training, so that we can assess whether you are talking through your hat with this invocation of expertise -- and not for the first time.

Meanwhile, anyone can Google me and find I am not a lawyer, and "had to know law for work" and find exactly what all that entailed, because the link between my SL avatar and my real life name was established *right here on this forums* with the help of then-Lindens. I personally don't shy from some links but then I'm in a conversation with people who do. So that's why I find it fairly futile to continue. 

The fact is, you don't know. You are not LL's lawyer, nor am I. You can make an educated guess as to what they can do, so can I. And I'll say this: what do you want to bet that they will dodge this bullet, yet they were not willing to dodge the lootbox bullet not even coming their way. The end.

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2 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

I think you will find that indeed it does apply to Second Life.

And what matters is how the Lindens till react to this latest development in the "regulatory climate" of which they are astute students.

They could begin to require "payment on fire' for all accounts, or even government ID. Anonymous free accounts have been a bedrock of SL since the start, which many associate with griefers, but others realize they are their customers. 

Will some people who have "non-consensual" on their profile now have to remove it? 

The Lindens waited until the very last minute until Master Card came calling to *them* about child pornography issues. 

Will they wait now?

I don't think you can be confident of anything. And that LL may not reassure you publicly as that may bind them to some process they don't want to be in.

As with gatcha, which I did not make, but occasionally re-sold, and which for the large part my tenants did not make, and only occasionally be sold, I could say "oh, but that doesn't affect me". I am not in the adult content business and keep only one little rentals area in Zindra simply to have it for those who request it and to have a presence in a continent.

Many people go into Zindra or Horizons not because they engage in adult activity, but simply so that they never have to face anybody abuse reporting them for anything they might do, rarely or often. Because governance cases arise from other residents filing ARs on you, not from LL going around and policing sims. 

I think it would be better to reduce the amount of problems with the payment info on file even to use any of the SL viewers service until Government ID is shown via help ticket at least it would stop the grief problem and other problems at least.  They would be able to login via the SL website but not use any viewer until verified. In the mean time its on SL to handle it properly with it. 

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44 minutes ago, Bitterthorn said:

https://www.mastercard.com/news/perspectives/2021/protecting-our-network-protecting-you-preventing-illegal-adult-content-on-our-network/

This goes into effect in October. On the 15th to be exact. 

Here is a third party article on the change with further information on what payment gateways and merchants received; https://www.commercegate.com/blog/mastercard-issued-an-updated-set-of-rules-and-requirements-for-adult-merchants/

I won't enter into the arena of if this change would affect second life but I'd suggest this read for some context.

Sounds more like the end of unsolicited D pics being sent to people.   Maybe a crack down on Xrated pictures in profiles?  It all appears to be directed mostly at RL pictures, videos, content IMO.  My cartoon engaging in cartoon sex isn't any type of violation from what I understand of their new rules.  

So when this takes effect, you can no longer pay for or offer your cam sex using MasterCard unless you abide by the new rules.  SL, itself, should be safe.  Policing people who have links in their profile to their personal websites might have to be done.

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this looks like the big picture to me..

10 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Sounds more like the end of unsolicited D pics being sent to people.   Maybe a crack down on Xrated pictures in profiles?  It all appears to be directed mostly at RL pictures, videos, content IMO.  My cartoon engaging in cartoon sex isn't any type of violation from what I understand of their new rules.  

So when this takes effect, you can no longer pay for or offer your cam sex using MasterCard unless you abide by the new rules.  SL, itself, should be safe.  Policing people who have links in their profile to their personal websites might have to be done.

Yea, it looks like they are really going after child pornography and trafficking and people putting out that kind of content..

Illegal adult content.

LL already has a lot in place against that kind of stuff.. If anything they may tighten the reins on registration or something, Maybe.

We may be getting a new TOS where they plug some loopholes or something..

It just sounds like they are going after the real thing rather than like you said,  cartoon activities..

 

The updated list of Mastercard requirements aims to prevent the distribution of illegal adult content across the network, especially targeting the age verification of content producers, content pre-screening and verification and process of content removal.

The key requirements are (non-exhaustive):

  1. The Merchant must enter into a written agreement with each content provider.
  2. Require the content provider to verify the identity and age of all persons depicted in the content to ensure that all persons depicted are adults and to be able to provide supporting documents upon request.
  3. Require the content provider to obtain and keep on record written consent from all persons depicted in the content.
  4. The Merchant must only permit content uploads from verified content providers and must have a robust process for verifying the age and identity of the content provider.
  5. All uploaded content must be reviewed before publication to ensure that the content is not illegal and does not otherwise violate the Standards.
  6. The Merchant must not market the content of its website or permit content search terms to give the impression that the content contains child exploitation materials or the depiction of nonconsensual activities.
  7. The Merchant must support a complaint process that allows for the reporting of content that may be illegal or otherwise violates the Standards.
  8. The Merchant must offer the ability for any person depicted in a video or other content to appeal to remove such content.
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1 hour ago, Prokofy Neva said:

I think you will find that indeed it does apply to Second Life.

And what matters is how the Lindens till react to this latest development in the "regulatory climate" of which they are astute students.

They could begin to require "payment on file' for all accounts, or even require government ID as they do now for those who wish to access adult regions like Zindra. Anonymous free accounts have been a bedrock of SL since the start, which many associate with griefers, but others realize they are their customers. 

Will some people who have "non-consensual" on their profile now have to remove it? 

The Lindens waited until the very last minute until Master Card came calling to *them* about child pornography issues. 

Will they wait now?

Do they believe they ALREADY have all the systems in place they need to comply with Mastercard's generally reasonable policy (I find PayPal's policy way more overbroad).

I don't think you can be confident of anything. And that LL may not reassure you publicly as that may bind them to some process they don't want to be in.

As with gatcha, which I did not make, but occasionally re-sold, and which for the large part my tenants did not make, and only occasionally be sold, I could say "oh, but that doesn't affect me". I am not in the adult content business and keep only one little rentals area in Zindra simply to have it for those who request it and to have a presence in a continent. But I have been in SL long enough to know that we are in a small, interconnected world and of course this would affect every one of us, as gatcha will do.

Many people go into Zindra or Horizons not because they engage in adult activity, but simply so that they never have to face anybody abuse reporting them for anything they might do, rarely or often. Because governance cases arise from other residents filing ARs on you, not from LL going around and policing sims. 

Well you may be right. I mean we won't really know how bad it will get right now. For me it's a simple fix really. If I don't like the way things are going then I vote with my wallet and stop giving them money. I'm already about there anyway. lol👍😁

You mentioned needing to provide them a government ID to access adult sims. Since when? I never have and nor will I ever. lol They don't need my ID. I knew one person years ago in my house who got asked for one and told them no because they had their account compromised that resulted in their account being banned and what should have been a simple fix via a support ticket or phone call like any other platform turned in to a poop show of navigating a bunch of red messy tape. They opted out of dealing with that bit of ignorance and honestly I don't blame them. I would have too in their shoes.👍😎

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16 minutes ago, Velk Kerang said:

Well you may be right. I mean we won't really know how bad it will get right now. For me it's a simple fix really. If I don't like the way things are going then I vote with my wallet and stop giving them money. I'm already about there anyway. lol👍😁

You mentioned needing to provide them a government ID to access adult sims. Since when? I never have and nor will I ever. lol They don't need my ID. I knew one person years ago in my house who got asked for one and told them no because they had their account compromised that resulted in their account being banned and what should have been a simple fix via a support ticket or phone call like any other platform turned in to a poop show of navigating a bunch of red messy tape. They opted out of dealing with that bit of ignorance and honestly I don't blame them. I would have too in their shoes.👍😎

I guess you weren't in SL when they opened up Zindra.

They required everyone who wanted to access it to submit government ID.

If they have grown laxer on this question in later years, perhaps for private islands or maybe even Horizon, I haven't seen it. but maybe they have. But they required it back then and you were literally blocked from entry unless the switch was flipped on your account after presentation of the ID.

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55 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

this looks like the big picture to me..

Yea, it looks like they are really going after child pornography and trafficking and people putting out that kind of content..

Illegal adult content.

LL already has a lot in place against that kind of stuff.. If anything they may tighten the reins on registration or something, Maybe.

We may be getting a new TOS where they plug some loopholes or something..

It just sounds like they are going after the real thing rather than like you said,  cartoon activities..

 

The updated list of Mastercard requirements aims to prevent the distribution of illegal adult content across the network, especially targeting the age verification of content producers, content pre-screening and verification and process of content removal.

The key requirements are (non-exhaustive):

  1. The Merchant must enter into a written agreement with each content provider.
  2. Require the content provider to verify the identity and age of all persons depicted in the content to ensure that all persons depicted are adults and to be able to provide supporting documents upon request.
  3. Require the content provider to obtain and keep on record written consent from all persons depicted in the content.
  4. The Merchant must only permit content uploads from verified content providers and must have a robust process for verifying the age and identity of the content provider.
  5. All uploaded content must be reviewed before publication to ensure that the content is not illegal and does not otherwise violate the Standards.
  6. The Merchant must not market the content of its website or permit content search terms to give the impression that the content contains child exploitation materials or the depiction of nonconsensual activities.
  7. The Merchant must support a complaint process that allows for the reporting of content that may be illegal or otherwise violates the Standards.
  8. The Merchant must offer the ability for any person depicted in a video or other content to appeal to remove such content.

I'm totally marveling and taking notes on the sudden appearance of ACLU-like defense attorneys, Internet in name only, who have scurried to find these policies NOT applicable to SL (which aren't laws but set the bar).

Yet all of you could instantly find "all these laws" that applied to gatcha when there were no laws that had been applied to SL in a court of law, and no PayPal or Mastercard policy against gatchas (or even lootboxes).

It's truly amazing.

I don't know how you can live with your consciences, but ok.  So noted.

Any of these can be twisted back against SL or any of you in a heartbeat, yet you feel that it can't be. Again, I marvel. 

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4 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

I guess you weren't in SL when they opened up Zindra.

They required everyone who wanted to access it to submit government ID.

If they have grown laxer on this question in later years, perhaps for private islands or maybe even Horizon, I haven't seen it. but maybe they have. But they required it back then and you were literally blocked from entry unless the switch was flipped on your account after presentation of the ID.

Well I've been in SL for over a decade. The only thing I ever had to do was put in my age and maybe D.O.B. when I first signed up. Some sims I needed my payment information on file. That's all I ever remember being asked for. I can't recall if I been to Zindra or not. So I won't say I went to that sim. I'll just say I've so far never been blocked from access because I didn't mail them in a copy of my ID. That's why I was kinda surprised when you said that. I just don't understand why they'd even need to even ask for that when the information I provided should be sufficient and there are other ways to verify my identity if they ever needed to. Maybe it's something that happened to newer accounts during that time period. That's my only guess.😎

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3 minutes ago, Velk Kerang said:

Well I've been in SL for over a decade. The only thing I ever had to do was put in my age and maybe D.O.B. when I first signed up. Some sims I needed my payment information on file. That's all I ever remember being asked for. I can't recall if I been to Zindra or not. So I won't say I went to that sim. I'll just say I've so far never been blocked from access because I didn't mail them in a copy of my ID. That's why I was kinda surprised when you said that. I just don't understand why they'd even need to even ask for that when the information I provided should be sufficient and there are other ways to verify my identity if they ever needed to. Maybe it's something that happened to newer accounts during that time period. That's my only guess.😎

It was either ID verification OR verifiable payment info.  So you're correct, government ID was not required unless a person had no verifiable payment method.  It didn't last for very long as I recall.  Some adult places still require payment info used in order to enter, however.

As part of this initiative, we will require Residents who access adult content (or view Parcel lght A.png Adult search results) to go through an account verification process — either being verified through our age verification provider, or have a verified payment method.

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11 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

It was either ID verification OR verifiable payment info.  So you're correct, government ID was not required unless a person had no verifiable payment method.  It didn't last for very long as I recall.  Some adult places still require payment info used in order to enter, however.

As part of this initiative, we will require Residents who access adult content (or view Parcel lght A.png Adult search results) to go through an account verification process — either being verified through our age verification provider, or have a verified payment method.

I signed up this account in 2009 & I remember having to provide my drivers license as part of the sign up.

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5 minutes ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

I signed up this account in 2009 & I remember having to provide my drivers license as part of the sign up.

I signed up in 09 also and didn't have to do that.

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16 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

I'm totally marveling and taking notes on the sudden appearance of ACLU-like defense attorneys, Internet in name only, who have scurried to find these policies NOT applicable to SL (which aren't laws but set the bar).

Yet all of you could instantly find "all these laws" that applied to gatcha when there were no laws that had been applied to SL in a court of law, and no PayPal or Mastercard policy against gatchas (or even lootboxes).

It's truly amazing.

I don't know how you can live with your consciences, but ok.  So noted.

Any of these can be twisted back against SL or any of you in a heartbeat, yet you feel that it can't be. Again, I marvel. 

Whatever.

You don't do much research yourself and are pretty quick in throwing everyone in the same bag from what was said in the Gacha thread, which I guess gives you some sort of IN to generalize the hell out of everyone and also Bring up that thread again..

You seem to have an obsession about the gacha thread.. Not enough to look at what I said in it I guess..

I didn't research to find that link in this thread because, It was from this thread.. I just read it and gave my opinion to Rowan..

If you don't like it, Tough crap.  Get High horsed on someone else time ya goof.. You're off my clock..

 

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2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Sounds more like the end of unsolicited D pics being sent to people.   Maybe a crack down on Xrated pictures in profiles?  It all appears to be directed mostly at RL pictures, videos, content IMO.  My cartoon engaging in cartoon sex isn't any type of violation from what I understand of their new rules.  

It depends on how the new conditions are defined and what has gone on behind the scenes. For example going by OnlyFans updated Acceptable Use Policy, it most certainly doesn't apply to just Real Life pictures and movies.

Acceptable Use Policy — OnlyFans

Things to note from that updated policy that was changed due to the new mastercard etc. ToS:

- Do not upload, post, display, or publish Content that shows, promotes, advertises or refers to “sexually explicit conduct”, which means:

  • actual or simulated x,y,z (go read the policy to find out what they have banned).

That means it would come down to what the legal definition of simulated is. Does that mean showing RL sexual activities whilst wearing hidden underwear or does that extend to highly realistic human/animal digital avatars (pixels) engaging in adult activities?

I would bet my hat that if you did a porn machinima in SL using avatars and upload it to OnlyFans you would see your account banned instantly under the new Use Policy.

If that is the case then Linden Lab certainly do have cause for concern and so does Second Life in that Adult content is the number one seller as Prokofy has stated.

This also doesn't take into account that RL xrated pictures are available to purchase on marketplace (and can be uploaded by anyone) and also not to mention that LL have never banned animal sex or animal genitalia (to stop the afore mentioned) despite that being illegal in most countries.

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There is also no mechanism in place on the marketplace to stop children from accessing that adult content except a drop down box.

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One thought; the “Prudes R Us” wave against adult content poses a serious Opportunity for whomever can establish payment-security that is resistant to pressure from outside its community.

I tend to trust the human tendency towards Greed 🙂 Someone will rise to the opportunity to line their pockets; humans do that.

 

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1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

It was either ID verification OR verifiable payment info.  So you're correct, government ID was not required unless a person had no verifiable payment method.  It didn't last for very long as I recall.  Some adult places still require payment info used in order to enter, however.

As part of this initiative, we will require Residents who access adult content (or view Parcel lght A.png Adult search results) to go through an account verification process — either being verified through our age verification provider, or have a verified payment method.

No. Obviously I had verifiable payment info, i.e. a credit card because I had been in SL for years before that and bought land.

We had to provide government ID as proof of age as a credit card doesn't show your age.

The Lindens created Zindra in June 2009. This was the requirement. If they dropped it later, great, but it was the original requirement. 

I don't see the point of arguing it, however, but you could ask the Lindens.

And to come pack to the POINT of this, the PP/MC/etc new policies on adult content may cause LL to revive this requirement. There will be much squawking about it, but unless you live on Peter Thiel's artificial island in the ocean, you have some form of government ID in your country and can produce it for this purpose.

@Ceka Cianci Do you girls in this forums cartel ever get tired of your tag-team tyranny?

 

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1 hour ago, Drayke Newall said:

It depends on how the new conditions are defined and what has gone on behind the scenes. For example going by OnlyFans updated Acceptable Use Policy, it most certainly doesn't apply to just Real Life pictures and movies.

Acceptable Use Policy — OnlyFans

Things to note from that updated policy that was changed due to the new mastercard etc. ToS:

- Do not upload, post, display, or publish Content that shows, promotes, advertises or refers to “sexually explicit conduct”, which means:

  • actual or simulated x,y,z (go read the policy to find out what they have banned).

That means it would come down to what the legal definition of simulated is. Does that mean showing RL sexual activities whilst wearing hidden underwear or does that extend to highly realistic human/animal digital avatars (pixels) engaging in adult activities?

I would bet my hat that if you did a porn machinima in SL using avatars and upload it to OnlyFans you would see your account banned instantly under the new Use Policy.

If that is the case then Linden Lab certainly do have cause for concern and so does Second Life in that Adult content is the number one seller as Prokofy has stated.

This also doesn't take into account that RL xrated pictures are available to purchase on marketplace (and can be uploaded by anyone) and also not to mention that LL have never banned animal sex or animal genitalia (to stop the afore mentioned) despite that being illegal in most countries.

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There is also no mechanism in place on the marketplace to stop children from accessing that adult content except a drop down box.

The definition of simulated sexual conduct still seems to me to refer to actual people and not cartoons.  The only thing I could find regarding it in reference to cartoons had to do with children and not adults.  

Simulated sexually explicit conduct means conduct engaged in by per- formers that is depicted in a manner that would cause a reasonable viewer to believe that the performers engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, even if they did not in fact do so. It does not mean not sexually explicit conduct that is merely suggested.

Cartoons can not engage in actual sexual conduct.

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34 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

The definition of simulated sexual conduct still seems to me to refer to actual people and not cartoons.

I agree, reading the laws the policies are trying to be in compliance with is a bit elucidating. From the way I read it "simulated" has to mean shooting a video of actual people where it looks like they're having sex, but it's just camera angles or cgi.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257

Other parts of the same chapter are also pertinent:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-110

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1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

The definition of simulated sexual conduct still seems to me to refer to actual people and not cartoons.  The only thing I could find regarding it in reference to cartoons had to do with children and not adults.  

That is incorrect and in no way does simulated define to only actual people (you have to look at game definitions and not movie definitions as games are pixels like Second Life is and yes I know SL isn't a game but in this case it would be implied as such). Simulated in its definition means fake or acted out and non distinguishable in whether it refers to RL or Cartoon.

In Australia for example, even R18+ (highest rating before refused classification) games define that simulated sex that is realistic and explicit (basically same as what is in Second Life - animated realistically and explicit in the use of genitalia) is banned. That is for games that are cartoon and not real people as per your definition.

Additionally, games that have that in them are refused classification and cannot be sold. That would mean that by law the definition in Australia of 'simulated sexual activity' applies to cartoon/pixel graphics (such as games or SL) and also is not restricted to banning just for minors but those over 18 as well. Like usual simulated animal sex (cartoon game look) is also banned of which Linden Lab to this day have never banned it in Second Life.

That is federal law over in Australia defining what 'simulated' means in relation to cartoon non real people categories which is basically pixel sex in SL as someone defined it earlier in the thread. The law linked below also goes as far as to highlight that both 'actual' and 'simulated' is banned with regards to depictions (which is defined to art or in this case computer pixels as used in cartoony looking games).

Guidelines for the Classification of Computer Games 2012 (legislation.gov.au)

Of course that is in Australia and not necessarily the case in the USA, however, as we know from the Gacha banning, USA law does not always define what is or isn't allowed.

 

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(o) Simulated sexually explicit conduct means conduct engaged in by performers that is depicted in a manner that would cause a reasonable viewer to believe that the performers engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, even if they did not in fact do so. It does not mean not sexually explicit conduct that is merely suggested.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/75.1

 

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