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5 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Planetside 2 .. 

🙄 Just because you can play it doesn't mean its playable or there's no lag .. i can pull up many games I play and all with different results ... what is good for you doesn't mean it good for someone else ... If I get into a lobby full of Americans I know damn well I'm screwed.. not because of skill lol but I'm going to ping all over the place ... likewise if they jump into a game I manage to pull host on :)

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12 hours ago, Elysienne Nebula said:

We do exist and, contrary to what many pixel bumpers think, there are a LOT of us and we're neither intolerant bigots nor soccer moms nor religious fundamentalists.

Please read my follow up. Also, those references were not about SL users that don't partake in the adult industry. They were about external sources that demonize SL because of its adult industry.

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7 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Why would it not work the same for S/L then? The new owners might be rich but at the end of the day, I would suspect their goal would be to make S/L worth more if even for no other reason then their own satisfaction. I rather doubt it would look good on them to have S/L worth less than what they paid for it nevermind the headaches if the legal framework turns S/L's seedy reputation into a legal quagmire.

It's not uncommon for companies that own patents or intellectual properties to be acquisitioned strictly for those assets and later, anything other than those assets sold to the highest bidder or the company out right shut down, creditors paid off, other assets sold/scrapped and employees laid off. This happens with tech/game companies more than anything.

I pray Tilia isn't the asset of interest in SL's acquisition and we don't suffer such a fate once all the recent staffing openings for it are filled.

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2 hours ago, ananoelle said:

No game can handle 100+ people in combat ... Well not ones I play. Take COD some days I struggle to even move. Pc hardware has a big part in this, as well as where in the world you are. Ping/latency, sighs my forever headache living way down south  :) 

Is sex content keeping SL alive? erm part of it maybe but as a whole I doubt. 

MMOs have managed having hundreds of players in hubs, chatting and messing with their inventories just fine which is basically what we do.

Other fps games have done more than 50+ player combats. You can look at Fortnite and they do thousands of 100 player battles, daily without flinching.

The technology is there to be better than this.

Maybe 100 was an exaggerated amount but to have sim owners pay $250 a month? They better be able to handle a few dozen players battling it out without flinching.

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27 minutes ago, Angelina Sinclair said:

MMOs have managed having hundreds of players in hubs, chatting and messing with their inventories just fine which is basically what we do.

Other fps games have done more than 50+ player combats. You can look at Fortnite and they do thousands of 100 player battles, daily without flinching.

The technology is there to be better than this.

Maybe 100 was an exaggerated amount but to have sim owners pay $250 a month? They better be able to handle a few dozen players battling it out without flinching.

All of them use pre-made, easily downloaded content. Every. Last. One.

Find an Apple for your comparison next time instead of a piece of basalt.

ETA: Staying in the realm of fruit to fruit comparisons however - VRC and even Neos do not have such high numbers as a possibility for their worlds. Most for VRC are set around the twenty to forty user range - as an example.

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49 minutes ago, Angelina Sinclair said:

MMOs have managed having hundreds of players in hubs, chatting and messing with their inventories just fine which is basically what we do.

Other fps games have done more than 50+ player combats. You can look at Fortnite and they do thousands of 100 player battles, daily without flinching.

The technology is there to be better than this.

Maybe 100 was an exaggerated amount but to have sim owners pay $250 a month? They better be able to handle a few dozen players battling it out without flinching.

MMOs yes have 100s .. thousands even but sitting across many different servers put a hundred in combat at one time on your screen and there will be someone if not half the lobby with lag I guarantee it .. fornite is no exception to this lol .. that's pvp.. ever played a high round zombie game in cod then wipe the train with a wonder weapon bets are you're going to lose your connection .. that's pve .... there are so many other factors to consider with lag. What hardware you have.. is it up to date ... your ISP... and so on .. SL I'm sorry, is a bit more then standing at a hub looking through a inventory js ..  

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7 hours ago, animats said:

That's the real argument against trying to forbid sex. The enforcement is expensive.

And many of the enforcers, whom you have identified as land owners, do not want to forbid sex, so, yes, enforcement would get expensive, for Linden Lab.  Very expensive.

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Something no one's brought up yet...

Many of the girls on OnlyFans were making significant income, while not paying taxes on it. That could only last so long before it was shut down. Doesn't matter what you feel about the content.

SL on the other hand, has a process in place for taxes to be collected. In this particular case, I think SL is safe.

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There are two aspects to consider here when gauging the threat to SecondLife and what will happen. First, the question of whether SL is a target. In my opinion: Yes - but no.

In terms of content, it's very much in the dangerzone. There are Sims for just about every fetish and some of those go quite a bit off the deep end. These are pretty hard to explain away and on top of that, the age verification is decidedly fragile. To add to that, the content ratings don't even appear to be enforced. I still remember my first day logging in and immediately seeing an avatar in a general zone, bare breasts out and jiggling. In the year since, I have seen so much more than that in zones that are meant to be suitable for everyone.

So, strictly speaking in terms of content SL is very much in the crosshairs. However for that to matter, it needs to fly on the social consciousness radar and I am just not sure it even gets close to that. Is SL culturally even a thing anymore? Obviously it is to us that are in it - but generally? I'd say unless by some freak coincidence it pops up on the radar, it's generally safe by obscurity.

Second then, since we know safety through obscurity is a bit of false security, what could realistically happen. Well foremost, Lindan Labs might get spooked regardless of a looming NYT article. This hegemonic cultural push against pornography works on fear. So what could Linden realistically do and what would happen?

Most likely, certain themed Sims will get the hammer. These are the high profile cases where you enter anything adult related and are immediately bonked with the deep end of adult kinks. They're visible and easily removed. They could also ban sexual activities from public places and then work on a per report basis. What would likely happen is that these communities will just find other meeting places in SecondLife that instead of being advertised by the System, will advertise based on word of mouth.

Case in point, World of Warcraft has the legendary Goldshire. It's a random town in a massive online world, inside a game that has neither the recquisite animations nor nudity and boy oh boy do they go at it there. So while SL might ban the Sims, they'll just move somewhere else and hide it better.

Could they ban nudity and animations? In theory? Yes, maybe? I'm 99% sure that if Linden Labs goes through the sheer herculean task of removing every single adult animation and nude texture in the game - that Viewer Developers will suddenly add options for local texture and animation replacement system (think modding tools). Even if by some sheer miracle, this is made impossible (haha, no), people will still have text, the OG ERP.

So, I don't think there's any reason for panic.

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I go to bed, and overnight ....  Sheesh!

The puritans are on the march world-wide, not just winning the war in Agfanistan.

We need an Onion-addressed Bitcoin-only SL replacement in the Dark Web now!

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If sex isn't a big thing in SL, why is it so hard then to find PG only furniture?
The sex stuff is everywhere, in kitchens, chairs, beds, fireplaces, rugs, bars, walls, tables, side tables, lamps, barbecues, tents, office furniture ....
It is far more than the nightclubs and Zindra stuff. It is on almost every residential plot.

Banning sex would be the most extreme shot in the own foot the lab could come up with.

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It's silly to compare the content produced and made available on Only Fans to the content produced and made available in Second Life. The former involves real life people and the latter are pixels.

In a way Only Fans could be seen as acting as a modern day pimp - with something to suit all tastes.

If anything the advertising of "extra services" like cam/voice sessions in exchange currency (virtual or otherwise) may come under scrutiny.

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22 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

If sex isn't a big thing in SL, why is it so hard then to find PG only furniture?
The sex stuff is everywhere, in kitchens, chairs, beds, fireplaces, rugs, bars, walls, tables, side tables, lamps, barbecues, tents, office furniture ....
It is far more than the nightclubs and Zindra stuff. It is on almost every residential plot.

Banning sex would be the most extreme shot in the own foot the lab could come up with.

Is it really hard to find PG? I don't think I've seen a piece of furniture in SL that didn't also have a PG option. The PG options are usually cheaper.

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11 hours ago, ananoelle said:

🙄 Just because you can play it doesn't mean its playable or there's no lag .. i can pull up many games I play and all with different results ... what is good for you doesn't mean it good for someone else ... If I get into a lobby full of Americans I know damn well I'm screwed.. not because of skill lol but I'm going to ping all over the place ... likewise if they jump into a game I manage to pull host on :)

Your argument is flawed. You stated originally that no game can handle 100 players at a time ("No game can handle 100+ people in combat"). Your reasoning later is however that 100 players at a time isn't possible because YOU experience lag.

That in no way means that a game cannot handle 100 players or more. That is also the reason that games come with a recommended computer spec and also most gaming companies provided servers located as close as possible to different demographics.

Additionally, the games you are describing are known for their issues as they are created based on a player host. Games like Planetside 2, Battlefield, etc., do not use player hosting but actual servers in a set location which means that they are able to have the large amount of players with no lag.

If you are experiencing lag like you describe, get a better pc and play games that dont require 'player hosts'.

Second Life uses physical servers in set locations (atm AWS). This means that they should be able to handle far more than just 70 players to a sim. They are limited however due to their engine and poor optimisation. SO it is very possible for Second Life to have more people on a sim, it just comes down to fixing the mess LL have with Second Life.

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"Banning adult content" could mean many things/steps. I don't think it would ever be even technically POSSIBLE to go this far and ban sexual activities in private places. But if we just for fun assume that this most extreme case were in fact the case then SL would lose a HUGE motor that drives economy and engagement. Of course you can close your eyes and say "Well I've never been engaged in sexual activities, we'll be fine!" but that's just turning a blind eye on reality. The impact from banning gambling or gachas wouldn't be anywhere NEAR these consequences. It would simply be devastating for SL and its creators.

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:

Something no one's brought up yet...

Many of the girls on OnlyFans were making significant income, while not paying taxes on it. That could only last so long before it was shut down. Doesn't matter what you feel about the content.

SL on the other hand, has a process in place for taxes to be collected. In this particular case, I think SL is safe.

I don't think that analogy works, though.

OnlyFans presumably pay tax on their profits, as do the company's owners.    What people who upload content to the site do with with the 80% of their earnings that OnlyFans pass on to them is presumably their responsibility, just as we, not Linden Lab or Tilia, are responsible for our own tax liability on anything we earn from SL.

I can understand OnlyFans being worried about hosting illegal content or sex workers using the site to advertise their services for in-person meetings, which might or might not land OnlyFans in trouble with the law in particular jurisdictions, but I don't think their performers' tax affairs are likely to be a matter of particular concern to them. 

 

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If we go by the maturity ratings they have here, Adult content is mainly content that is meant to draw the public to it..

Kind of like me coming to the forums and saying, Hey everybody, big orgy at my house tonight, come one come all!! #BigOle HonkinOrgyAtCekasPlaceTonightSlurlBlaBlaBla would be considered adult content.

Where me IMing a  bunch of my friends and telling them to come over for an orgy would not be considered adult..

It's adult activities, but it's not adult content

Adult content is put out there for everyone and their sidekicks to see or join, where Nonadult is not open to everyone..

Just as in RL, people get their freak on in their homes, but if they start posting videos of it on the internet, it becomes porn/adult content..

hehehe

 

If for some out of left field  reason adult content were to  go away, I don't believe it means Slex would disappear.

The beds and couches and bar stools ect. are not adult content.

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Onlyfans banning adult content is like Mcdonalds banning burgers. I am baffled as to what they think they will be selling afterwards.

As for LL going down that route - there are a growing number of "metaverses" operating on blockchain tech these days (decentraland, cryptovoxels, somnium space to name 3 I am aware of). 

Its all very much in its infancy, but its not hard to picture someone making "un-censorable crypto sexy fun-time world". 

......and it will probably quickly become a cesspool of absolute degeneracy.....but that's a topic for another thread :)

Also, they did try the "PG-13" route with Sansar, and we all know what a flaming dumpster fire that turned out to be :ph34r:

 

 

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