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The Question I have is does this effect things like 7seas fishing, Since you have to pay for bait, then you only have a chance to get a random fish, And if not, then could we create a Ticket System where the Player buys a number of tickets for lindens, and then uses the tickets on the machines?

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23 minutes ago, Noelle Delaunay said:

If people claim that seller's are going to make less money after this change then it's only because they're not forcing people to buy products that they don't want.

No one puts a gun to someones head and says..."You have to play my gacha machine." No one is "forced" to do anything. Customers choose to put their money in the machine and play over and over again. That is on the customer, NOT the creator.

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3 minutes ago, Shuichi Shinji said:

Not sure if this has been asked already... if so, it could be interesting for the FAQ maybe ^^

1) Is it still allowed to give out random items as a result of payment if their chances and approximate vaules are the same? I guess not, since it's hard to verify.

2) Is it allowed to sell gacha or random item giver scripts, as long as they offer a method of using them "legally", e.g. without payment, but also offering soon-to-be "illegal" options, or do the latter options have to be removed from the scripts? I already made my Raffle script conforming a while ago, and I guess I need to change other scripts as well now...

3) As long as you see exactly what you get when you pay, e.g. on a Lucky Chair that requires payment, I assume that is ok, even tho some luck is involved with your letter being drawn?

I would ask a 4th question: is entering a raffle from a creator on FB well clearly within the privacy laws. Don't think that a SL creator has any business with my personal FB account and name.

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2 hours ago, Asadora Summers said:

When a person sits on a lucky chair with a name that matches the letter or number given, that person knows what they are getting.
'Name with the letter A' and there is a picture as to what a person with a name that starts with the letter A will get.
Lucky chairs/boards are usually free, unless you have to be a member of a group.
Random prize givers the recipient has the option to accept it or not without an transaction involved.


 

I have seen lucky chairs with mystery prizes, but you don't have to pay to sit so that is not quite the same thing.

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And another question...

4) What about introducing a new "currency", e.g. you have to mine for something like "diamonds" and can then use them in the gacha to get a random item, as long as no payment of L$ is necessary in the process?

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1 minute ago, Drakkhis said:

The Question I have is does this effect things like 7seas fishing, Since you have to pay for bait, then you only have a chance to get a random fish, And if not, then could we create a Ticket System where the Player buys a number of tickets for lindens, and then uses the tickets on the machines?

thats also what i thought since it basicly would count as gacha since:

- it HAS a rarety system

- you have to buy bate to get the more rare fishes

- IF you even GET a fish is random

- WHICH fish you get is also random

 

And we are talking about 7seas, a super old (but still nice) fishing game in sl god dang it...

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I am so, so thrilled with this decision. I've been on SL long enough to remember when gatchas weren't a thing at all. You went into a store and paid a vendor and got the thing you wanted every time. Then more and more of my favorite creators moved from vendors to gatchas in the last couple of years. Some of them started selling *only* from gatchas with no fatpacks available. I stopped shopping from those creators because I don't want to have to keep paying and paying to get the item I want, and getting a full set from a gatcha takes forever and costs a fortune. It will be nice to go back to being able to get the item in the picture on the first try every time.

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2 hours ago, m0ld said:

My concern is how this will affect creators who only log in once every few months or no longer log in at all. Is there a warning system in place to let creators know that they're in violation of the rules? What about Marketplace listings that automatically give out a random gacha, will those listings be removed or will the entire store be banned? What if a Gacha machine is accidentally left out, say on mainland, and someone reports it? Will it just be returned to inventory? I worry that this may inadvertently cause entire stores and their content to be missing to the void, never able to be purchased again.

I see no issue here. Absentee merchants should have their stores shut down.

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17 minutes ago, Charlotte Bartlett said:

Do you have his creator name?  I would love to take a look if he put his other items up from his SketchFab store just in case - I remember following this as it was a huge deal for 3d scans of items and getting them out to the public to use! ❤️

Check your DMs. 

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11 minutes ago, Alan Cyr said:

read the flowchart .. Anything that has a value and chance. 

Read my past post again, since trade cards and toys from blind bags have value thanks to collectors... And its a chance on what you get. They are illegal gambling devices .. Like I said you can't pick and choose .. Its all or nothing,

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So not sad to see gacha's go the way of the dinosaur.  It was an exploitive business model.  I am not sad to see events like Arcade go away either.  You want to see a small amount of items for a small price - do some of the wonderful weekend sales events.  that way people can CHOSE what they want and not have gamble and have stuff they don't.  Gacha was a horrible business model and I have no sympathy for anyone (creators or event coordinators) who exploited this horrible trend.  

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14 minutes ago, DeeJay Peapod said:

No but it is accessible within those places as well which means its still under the jurisdictional law as well as the LL owned servers maintained in those places

No, that's not true. Russia has draconian speech and media laws, for example, but Russians in SL have not been liable to them and LL does not do Russia's enforcement for it. That's not how international law works.

Theoretically, a Japanese prosecutor could prosecutor a Japanese citizen for their gatchas within SL, but they have not done so to my knowledge, the amounts are too small.

German prosecutors have shown zeal for prosecuting their laws against child pornography in SL, but if they have a gatcha law/policy/thing, I haven't seen them do that. 

You can't look at law literally as a self-executing machine like Internet bans and content removal. It has to be adjudicated. For that, it needs a venue. International courts are not going to take gatcha law suits, they don't have the charter or the standing.

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9 minutes ago, Magnek Fang said:

Well, that's a bomb drop.

There's a whole bunch of avatars that are only available as Gacha, and they were a cheap way of becoming a cute critter. What's gonna happen to those?

Depends on what the creator wants to do or how vindictive they want to be. Honestly I don't know why they don't just offer the vouchers for direct purchase. All gachas do is promote a middle-market of voucher touts anyway.

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1 minute ago, belladonna Wexhome said:

So not sad to see gacha's go the way of the dinosaur.  It was an exploitive business model.  I am not sad to see events like Arcade go away either.  You want to see a small amount of items for a small price - do some of the wonderful weekend sales events.  that way people can CHOSE what they want and not have gamble and have stuff they don't.  Gacha was a horrible business model and I have no sympathy for anyone (creators or event coordinators) who exploited this horrible trend.  

Yep! Am personally happy it's going the way of the Dodo.. And funny how some people are crying over 30days warning being to little.. I have for more then a year now been wondering WHEN the hammer would fall since number of Countries HAVE made lootbox/gacha ilegal both in the US EU and Japan.

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4 minutes ago, belladonna Wexhome said:

So not sad to see gacha's go the way of the dinosaur.  It was an exploitive business model.  I am not sad to see events like Arcade go away either.  You want to see a small amount of items for a small price - do some of the wonderful weekend sales events.  that way people can CHOSE what they want and not have gamble and have stuff they don't.  Gacha was a horrible business model and I have no sympathy for anyone (creators or event coordinators) who exploited this horrible trend.  

gaming card creators and collectors would literally cough right now in your direction. I think a lot people literally think about the big gachas (which im also sure are the reason why this rule is a thing now) but you have to think about smaller things which are literally "basicly a gacha" like said samples of trading- and collecting cards or games which are luck based like 7Seas or similar which seems like everyone forgot right now (and 7seas is OLD...).

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17 minutes ago, DeeJay Peapod said:

No but it is accessible within those places as well which means its still under the jurisdictional law as well as the LL owned servers maintained in those places

As far as I know, LL doesn't have servers abroad any more. They closed their offices in Europe and Asia long ago.

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15 hours ago, Alan Cyr said:

That's not a law in the US. Just because Canadians are in SL doesn't mean that LL has to do Canada's prosecuting for them. LL is a private company. A Canadian prosecutor would have to attempt this, and there would have to be a reason and a precedent. Not seeing it. This advisory is from 2010, and SL had 11 years of gatcha after that. Next.

I'm not hearing any US lawyers or prosecutors in this thread but a lot of Internet lawyers.

UPDATE: Again, it's obvious this says CALIFORNIA and I can READ when something says CALIFORNIA in big letters. My thought process went ahead and looked at Canada because CA is Canada's address. There's a lawsuit and legal interpretation now in Canada, too, and it's been going on for awhile. So the point applies, and I combined them.

Don't let word-search authoritarians distract you from the point to be had here: no California OR Canadian prosecutor has come after any Californian or any American accessing this CA-based world, and that's the fact on the ground.

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Time to start mass production of the limited gacha boards. It's not gambling. Dsellers can still sell them for higher prices and they are now limited which benefits those who want rare items.not gambling either!!! Hope gacha aces change to these then. It will still make people flock to those areas!!!

 

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21 minutes ago, Shuichi Shinji said:

Not sure if this has been asked already... if so, it could be interesting for the FAQ maybe ^^

1) Is it still allowed to give out random items as a result of payment if their chances and approximate vaules are the same? I guess not, since it's hard to verify.

2) Is it allowed to sell gacha or random item giver scripts, as long as they offer a method of using them "legally", e.g. without payment, but also offering soon-to-be "illegal" options, or do the latter options have to be removed from the scripts? I already made my Raffle script conforming a while ago, and I guess I need to change other scripts as well now...

3) As long as you see exactly what you get when you pay, e.g. on a Lucky Chair that requires payment, I assume that is ok, even tho some luck is involved with your letter being drawn?

1) NO

2) YES - Hell, you could continue to sell scripts that are totally only for paid Gachas, even if they will be worthless to folks come Sept 1 and as long as you do not misrepresent what the scripts do.

3) My guess on this is NO.  Even though you can see the item that you will be given, if you are paying the money before you know it is your Letter, then you are still paying for a random thing -- you are paying in hopes that your letter comes up, so you are paying something and could get nothing.  Now, if the person does not pay until their letter does come up, then as long as there is a picture showing the item, then the payment is legal.

 

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