LittleMe Jewell Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Trinity1776 said: Question: would this ruling apply to hunts where you are paying a certain amount to get the item, and not knowing which item you receive till you open the box? Someone else said that it wouldn't because everyone is getting the exact same thing, no variance, even if you don't know exactly what the item is. Worst case, the stores will have to always display a picture of their hunt prize - which I'd much prefer anyway. Edited August 3, 2021 by LittleMe Jewell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VergilISparda Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said: So many people do not seem to understand that their view of whether or not Gacha is gambling or should be allowed is not what matters. It is all about how Gacha is defined within the laws. If LL's legal team tells them that Gachas need to stop, then LL will stop Gachas. Noting any Resident says will matter. While I totally agree with you, this thread was not created to debate of the legality of gachas. It was to gather concerns and questions about how the whole process will go... It turned out differently lol 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 When there is no specific law or guidance even from LL as to the limits, then the amount of debate should not be a surprise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said: If an item is being sold through normal channels after the event, then it is no longer an enticement as an exclusive. Why bother with buying it at the event then? It's a moot point now since there will be no more gacha events. The rules change now that they can't sell their item as gacha nor as a regular item. Any agreement should be null and void and they should be able to continue selling THEIR product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Fair Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Skell Dagger said: Jian responded yesterday in a blog post, here. "As previously announced on our blog, we are already in the process of making all of our gachas into fatpacks available as copy / no transfer product collections. "We will be expediting this process and making all of our gacha collections available as fatpack collections to the best of our ability before the 30-day grace period ends on September 1st." Hooray! I love Jian pets, so this is good news. Thanks for letting me know 😄 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillyWH Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: It's a moot point now since there will be no more gacha events. The rules change now that they can't sell their item as gacha nor as a regular item. Any agreement should be null and void and they should be able to continue selling THEIR product. They can sell it as a regular item, some stores have already said they are going to do that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillyWH Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 There was life before gachas, there will be life after. I mean, maybe some creators will leave, but there are creators who didn't make the jump to mesh, there are those who left for other reasons, it's a cycle of things. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeldagirl Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I am SAD and GLAD...I have pumped so much money into some GACHAS and gotten CRAP but then there are other stores who are kind with their odds ... Pumec and The Forge for example...where within five pulls of most of their Gacha venders you can get a RARE. This weekend all three of my avatars got RARE Fatpacks for less than $300L. Then just try to get an outfit out of Zenith without paying a fortune. Sorry to DRAG but I think unfair venders caused this and I am sad for all the fair venders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kytteh Wytchwood Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Fab Free is graciously putting together a never ending listing of stores offering gacha sales until the ban. Lowest common price I am seeing is 25L. You can contact them in-world to add your store or view their wordpress to see what is there. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Fair Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cristiano Midnight said: Please tell me this is sarcasm. You must understand that English is not Silas’ first language. He may not have recognized “adapt or die” as a saying or metaphor. We all need to put ourselves in the other person’s shoes a bit in this discussion. Please, everyone be kind. Silas is a talented artist in both SL and Sansar, who told me he feels this change will lead to him shuttering his gallery and store in Second Life. (I’m trying to talk him out of it.) Edited August 3, 2021 by Vanity Fair 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Kytteh Wytchwood said: There is always the option to buy from a regular vendor in their mainstore. It's not like the store only has gachas. Not always. Some stores are exclusively gacha stores with no option to simply purchase. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katherine Heartsong Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) Yikes! /me races off to try to get the pink Hellhund at M.O.R. Edited August 3, 2021 by Katherine Heartsong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) Wow, I just saw a store notice about their gacha sale where things will be from 5L - 25L. I imagine everyone wants to pull in as many buyers as possible in this last month. Edited August 3, 2021 by LittleMe Jewell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristiano Midnight Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 43 minutes ago, Kytteh Wytchwood said: I am in Flickr, adding my new releases to other Flickr groups I wasn't a member of. I see that a store is taking advantage of the coming ban. They are now offering a very, very cheap gacha sale, and that some gachas may be available as fatpacks, with a 50% discount. There is the lure to bring you to their store. You "may" find something is offered as a gacha fatpack at 50% off, or you may not. LOL Why even resort to that type of behavior? They could have stated how many discounted gacha fatpacks are available with the numerical amount. *shakes head* I see notices popping up left and right in world doing the same thing. I suppose they want to get the most they can out of it before it goes away. I can't fault that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Triellis Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, ananoelle said: Play gacha and you will probably pay the same price as a fatpack trying to get what you want! js there's a thing called the marketplace, yo. Some of us are more endowed financially than others, or its rather our choice to indulge in the fun of a rouletted gacha. We choose not to drink Starbucks to afford our love of gacha, it honestly doesn't hurt those who don't have a knack for impulsive gambling. I also enjoy the ability to transfer/sell items made by other's and the micro marketplace it has made for non-creators or beginners to enjoy exceptionally inexpensive, quality items. Further more though... why does any government have a say in how we spend our fkn money!? Edited August 3, 2021 by Cancer Triellis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badpixie Nightfire Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: Wow, I just saw a store notice about their gacha sale where things will be from 5L - 25L. I imagine everyone wants to pull in as many buyers as possible in this last month. You might have seen a notice for a reseller shop where they always list their gachas items to sell at anywhere between 5-25L depending in the item and how long they have had that item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Just now, Badpixie Nightfire said: You might have seen a notice for a reseller shop where they always list their gachas items to sell at anywhere between 5-25L depending in the item and how long they have had that item. Nope, this notice was from the original creator, and a fairly well know one at that -- actually 3 creators in the same region are doing the sale together. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorientje Woller Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Cancer Triellis said: there's a thing called the marketplace, yo. Some of us are more endowed financially than others, or its rather our choice to indulge in the fun of a rouletted gacha. We choose not to drink Starbucks to afford our love of gacha, it honestly doesn't hurt those who don't have a knack for impulsive gambling. I also enjoy the ability to transfer/sell items made by other's and the micro marketplace it has made for non-creators or beginners to enjoy exceptionally inexpensive, quality items. Further more though... why does any government have a say in how we spend our fkn money!? OMG, sorry, the excuse of that any government has any say into how we spend out money is one arguement pulled in by the hairs. Yes, I am allowed to spend my money by my government into whatever I want, as long it isn't into illegal activities. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lydia Amethyst Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Infierna Bloodrose said: So glad to see the end of the gachas! FINALLY! It will finally be nice to be able to buy an entire outfit or set and just be able to buy it outright without plugging Lindens endlessly into a machine or scouring the marketplace for missing pieces. I think the whole gacha sales idea was a huge rip off for the SL buyer. Great for the creator. Horrid for the buyer. It also promoted big trouble for people with even slight gambling addiction tendencies. I saw so many friends run into trouble with this. Gacha wasn't a fun harmless bubble gum machine where you got a happy surprise for 50 Linden. It was imply a way to entice people to stand there and spend more money than necessary (and hopefully even empty their wallet toward the endless carrot on a stick of THE ULTRA RARES). Seriously doing the happy dance. R.I.P gacha. Thank You LL♥ I literally am cheering with you. I despise gachas. good riddance! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Taifun Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Who exactly are the regulators here? What is so offending about gacha when there are so many worse things about SL that are in need of regulation? No one forces another person to play gacha. If I choose to play gacha that´s on me. There is no victim. The seller got paid and the buyer got their item. What is this really about? I´m asking rhetorically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Mistwalker Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Julia Taifun said: Who exactly are the regulators here? The governments of various countries worldwide. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Taifun Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said: The governments of various countries worldwide. Which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Cancer Triellis said: Further more though... why does any government have a say in how we spend our fkn money!? Do you not think that, at the very least, governments have a legitimate interest in regulating online games of chance to protect the public from fraud and to disrupt money laundering? Gaming and money laundering regulations aren't drawn up with SL in mind, of course, but they still apply, and it really is a regulatory minefield. Regulators world-wide are taking an increasing interest in loot packs and gatchas, and I can well see why LL don't want to go anywhere near something that could easily land them with either substantial fines or a heavy reporting burden (that's one reason they split off Tilia). It's not that anyone's particularly gunning for SL gatchas, but they're certainly going after loot boxes and SL gatchas are so likely to be caught by at least some of the new reporting and licencing regimes that I can really see what LL just want to get rid of that potentially very grave risk completely. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Julia Taifun said: Which ones? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_box#Regulation_and_legislation https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8498/ Edited August 3, 2021 by Innula Zenovka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Julia Taifun said: Which ones? Germany for one Edited August 3, 2021 by Rowan Amore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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