the telepathy thread

[Rowan Amore]

12 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

the human body seems to put out an electromagnetic signal

That's nothing new.  And some animals use the earth electro magnetic field to navigate.  It stands to reason that they may be able to detect ours.  Humans, however, don't although we may have in the past.  It's still unproven but interesting. 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/apr/06/scientists-suggest-human-body-may-detect-earths-magnetic-field

[Arielle Popstar]

12 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

If that was the case, those transmissions would be detectable. measurable. reproducible.

It would be trivial.

There would be no mystery here at all.

And they are through things like EEG's and EKG's. Question is, do certain species or even humans have the ability to subconsciously pick up on those from others and interpret them? It could well be a latent ability we have forgotten by relying or trusting too much on the other 5 senses. Take as an example the reading of body language. Some seem to have a natural ability to read and interpret the body signals of others whereas for others, they are somewhat clueless about it.

[Coffee Pancake]

1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

And they are through things like EEG's and EKG's.

They are detectable though bits of metal wire. As in literally .. I got this bit of wire and I made it a certain length and attached it to some bits from a child's school Arduino kit. Here's a project to detect lightning strikes far far away (you don't even have to go outside!)

Every wire. Every cable. Ever trace on a circuit board. Is also an antenna. Transmitting and receiving.

If you were subconsciously able to pick up on subtle fluctuations in the local electromagnetic field, it would be drowned out by the deafening noise coming from your computer, your phone, the microwave down the street, street lamps, satellites in orbit, the dog shuffling about on carpet, the sun.

It's like trying to hear someone else heartbeat in the middle of a rock concert during a thunderstorm.

[Silent Mistwalker]

While I don't have the distance to hear satellites in orbit, all the rest of those things, when I get away from them, after a good while my ears stop ringing. Such things are most likely the cause of my hearing loss in the first place.

[Moondira]

11 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

all the rest of those things, when I get away from them, after a good while my ears stop ringing.

I hope that could happen to me too. Ear-ringing sucks.

[Dhyaanee]

58 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

If you were subconsciously able to pick up on subtle fluctuations in the local electromagnetic field, it would be drowned out by the deafening noise coming from your computer, your phone, the microwave down the street, street lamps, satellites in orbit, the dog shuffling about on carpet, the sun.

It's like trying to hear someone else heartbeat in the middle of a rock concert during a thunderstorm.

The heaven channel filters all that out  😍

[Dhyaanee]

29 minutes ago, Moondira said:

Ear-ringing sucks.

Tell me about it.

[Coffee Pancake]

39 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

While I don't have the distance to hear satellites in orbit, all the rest of those things, when I get away from them, after a good while my ears stop ringing. Such things are most likely the cause of my hearing loss in the first place.

My hearing is shot .. half deaf on a good day, but I still hear this from everything - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT6PzY8bT1Q

Tinnitus too .. which certain meds (especially anti depressants / anxiety) just seem to amplify.

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said:

My hearing is shot .. half deaf on a good day, but I still hear this from everything - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT6PzY8bT1Q

Tinnitus too .. which certain meds (especially anti depressants / anxiety) just seem to amplify.

There isn't anything that has ever helped the tinnitus that goes along with the high frequency hearing loss in my case. The only thing that helps is getting away from everything. And I mean everything that runs off any electrical type power source.

Basically, if it isn't fire or water, it hurts my ears.

[Coffee Pancake]

5 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

There isn't anything that has ever helped the tinnitus that goes along with the high frequency hearing loss in my case. The only thing that helps is getting away from everything. And I mean everything that runs off any electrical type power source.

Yeah no hope for me there .. my home is one purple mood light away from being full on cyberpunk

[Silent Mistwalker]

2 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Yeah no hope for me there .. my home is one purple mood light away from being full on cyberpunk

I spend a lot of time off in the woods. Too many electronics in the house. lol

[Coffee Pancake]

7 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

I spend a lot of time off in the woods. Too many electronics in the house. lol

Outside? Oh no...

[Silent Mistwalker]

26 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Outside? Oh no...

 

That is where I am most at home. I am not comfortable sitting in chairs and never have been. I normally sit on the ground or if I must sit in a chair I usually end up sitting cross legged anyway.

OMG! DUDE! I NEED one of these!

[Solar Legion]

3 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

 

That is where I am most at home. I am not comfortable sitting in chairs and never have been. I normally sit on the ground or if I must sit in a chair I usually end up sitting cross legged anyway.

OMG! DUDE! I NEED one of these!

Same, on that last bit!

[Coffee Pancake]

6 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

 

That is where I am most at home. I am not comfortable sitting in chairs and never have been. I normally sit on the ground or if I must sit in a chair I usually end up sitting cross legged anyway.

OMG! DUDE! I NEED one of these!

I sit half cross legged in my chair all day  .. so I'm little worried this isn't actually real as they clearly had to photoshop the person in.

[Silent Mistwalker]

35 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

I sit half cross legged in my chair all day  .. so I'm little worried this isn't actually real as they clearly had to photoshop the person in.

It's real.

https://www.amazon.com/Pipersong-Meditation-Adjustable-Ergonomic-Positions/dp/B091B7GNF3

[Madelaine McMasters]

6 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Sorry to put you through all that trouble but the only thing I was pointing out with the video and link is that the human body seems to put out an electromagnetic signal which some species can apparently pick up with a "sixth sense". This may be the medium through which some of these "telepathic" or other clairvoyant properties are being transmitted? Whether this suit or your bunny slippers have the ability to block, absorb or reflect that emf signal is somewhat secondary to the context of the thread topic though I thought somewhat interesting nonetheless. Your review of it leaves me unconvinced that it might not work as advertised.

Nope. The only thing you pointed out is that people can easily be fooled into believing that the human body puts out an electromagnetic signal that some species can pick up. That signal is apparently detectable to laypeople selling invisibility cloaks made of potentially hazardous material (see below), but undetectable to engineers who research RF effects from/on living things. This would not be the first time that some magical force channeled through the malicious to the ignorant.

5 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

And they are through things like EEG's and EKG's. Question is, do certain species or even humans have the ability to subconsciously pick up on those from others and interpret them? It could well be a latent ability we have forgotten by relying or trusting too much on the other 5 senses.

As one who has designed both EEG and EKG monitors I can say, once again, nope. If one is going to claim that a thin sheet of carbon fiber (the most conductive sheets of which are about as conductive as blood) makes a good Faraday cage, one must also explain why a big bag of conductive salt water (deer and/or human) does not.

5 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

It could well be a latent ability we have forgotten by relying or trusting too much on the other 5 senses. Take as an example the reading of body language. Some seem to have a natural ability to read and interpret the body signals of others whereas for others, they are somewhat clueless about it.

What we've historically called the sixth sense is most likely the action of usually unrecognized subconscious mechanisms. Every day, I seem to discover something else I was previously clueless about. To the extent I've put some effort into digging into these mechanisms, I have taught myself to sense some fantastically useless things. I can, with 100% accuracy, differentiate between LCD and Plasma television sets from great distances. On the road at night, I can, again with 100% accuracy, differentiate between incandescent and LED tail lights. If the car has LED tail lights, I can tell, from any distance where the lights are visible, whether the driver of a car parked on the side of the road has her foot on the brake pedal.

I've revealed how I do this to others, but only a very few have been able to reproduce my results. I've then gone on to teach those people other spooky things they can do that few others can as I welcome them to the world of "flicker fusion threshold" supervillains.

5 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

That's nothing new.  And some animals use the earth electro magnetic field to navigate.  It stands to reason that they may be able to detect ours.  Humans, however, don't although we may have in the past.  It's still unproven but interesting. 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/apr/06/scientists-suggest-human-body-may-detect-earths-magnetic-field

I'd not be surprised if we have a vestigial ability to sense the Earth's magnetic field. (ETA: animals do not emit static magnetic fields, the thing animals detect, so that's a non-issue of interest. If we did, our compasses would point to a mix of us and north, making them a literal indicator of "Wherever you go, there you are. ;-).

A couple weeks ago, Chroma posted this video, which is an excellent example of how misinformation starts innocently...

I've watched enough of Anton Petrov to realize he's affable, sincere, often in over his head, and prone to inadvertent errors in his explanations (as am I, it's not a capital offense). One needn't watch more than three minutes of this video to spot one. Anton starts by describing the well known ability of migratory birds to follow Earth's magnetic field lines. He then reasonably wonders if humans might have this ability, and sites a research paper around the 1:55 mark (he actually links to another of his videos which contains the following link)...

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0211826

Anton then inadvertently implies that some people have the ability to detect food magnetically! At 2:15 he shows a little blob of something that seems to emit magnetic field lines. It's not Earth, so it's... food? If you read the paper he references, you'll see that nobody detected food. People were recruited for a study involving a chair in a room with a rotatable magnetic field. Both groups were further split in half between hungry and non-hungry, as measured by blood glucose, and in half again by male/female. The test groups trained to associate the idea of chocolate chips in front of them when the room's north magnetic field was oriented in that direction. The control groups were given no such training. They were just told when they were facing magnetic north. The test was then replayed, with the test groups asked to rotate the room's magnetic field until they felt they were facing "north". There were no chocolate chips in the room. Here's what they found.

Hungry guys could sense "north".
Nobody else could.

Anton took one hell of leap to insinuate that people can detect food magnetically given an experiment that involved neither actual food nor the detection of it. Yes, it's interesting that humans seem to have some ability to detect the Earth's static magnetic field. Given all the other animals that do, that's hardly shocking. This is one way pseudo-science starts. If you read the comments for that video, you'll see that a significant fraction of them seem (with varying degrees of earnestness) to accept his food finding misunderstanding as fact. It's just one more step from there to donning carbon fiber suits to hide from deer.

Finally, back to that HECS carbon fiber suit. I'd forgot that one really might want to think twice before wearing carbon fiber laced clothing. When I first started using carbon fiber tubing in my kites, I was warned by others to be cautious with it, as with fiberglass. I cut it with a wet saw, wear an N95 mask, and glue the cut ends to secure the fray. It might be that carbon fibers used in clothing are safely encapsulated, but if the lint on my dryer screen is any indication, some of that carbon fiber might make it into the wild, or me.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29112861/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0041008X18302941
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/archive/carbon-fibre-dangers-compare-with-asbestos-20-07-2000/

Next up, Mary Schweitzer and young earth dinosaurs.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Madelaine McMasters

[Coffee Pancake]

1 hour ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

It's real.

https://www.amazon.com/Pipersong-Meditation-Adjustable-Ergonomic-Positions/dp/B091B7GNF3

It's $330 .. youch, oh well, it was a nice idea. One more thing on the list of things I'm going to end up making myself.

[Madelaine McMasters]

4 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

They are detectable though bits of metal wire. As in literally .. I got this bit of wire and I made it a certain length and attached it to some bits from a child's school Arduino kit. Here's a project to detect lightning strikes far far away (you don't even have to go outside!)

Every wire. Every cable. Ever trace on a circuit board. Is also an antenna. Transmitting and receiving.

If you were subconsciously able to pick up on subtle fluctuations in the local electromagnetic field, it would be drowned out by the deafening noise coming from your computer, your phone, the microwave down the street, street lamps, satellites in orbit, the dog shuffling about on carpet, the sun.

It's like trying to hear someone else heartbeat in the middle of a rock concert during a thunderstorm.

Until recently, I had one of these radio spectrum analyzers on my lab bench. I just gave it to a colleague.

It's nearly as old as me and, before Covid, weighed more. It covers everything from 100Hz to 22GHz (3000km wavelength down to 1.3cm). It sees the local radio and TV stations, my iPhone's intentional and unintentional radio emissions, wi-fi, microwave, garage door openers, noise from fluorescent and LED lights, my computers, etc. It can sense me walking around the room as I absorb and reflect portions of the radio spectrum, as can some new wi-fi routers. I can also "hear" approaching storms, solar flares, auroras and the dawn chorus. Special antennas are required for some of these things. (I first heard the dawn chorus as a child, on Dad's short wave radio.)

Teasing any particular signal out of that soup is every bit as challenging as you make it out to be, Coffee.

I've also spent hundreds of hours inside Faraday cages, looking for and suppressing spurious radio emissions from things I designed, so they would pass FCC testing. More than once, I walked around inside the cage with nothing turned on, watching the noise floor for any signs I might affect it, or rise above it.

Sadly, I seem to radiate nothing but nonsense.

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Madelaine McMasters

[Coffee Pancake]

10 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

Until recently, I had one of these radio spectrum analyzers on my lab bench. I just gave it to a colleague.

It's nearly as old as me and, before Covid, weighed more. It covers everything from 100Hz to 22GHz (3000km wavelength down to 1.3cm). It sees the local radio and TV stations, my iPhone's intentional and unintentional radio emissions, wi-fi, microwave, garage door openers, noise from fluorescent and LED lights, my computers, etc. It can sense me walking around the room as I absorb and reflect portions of the radio spectrum, as can some new wi-fi routers. I can also "hear" approaching storms, solar flares, auroras and the dawn chorus. Special antennas are required for some of these things. (I first heard the dawn chorus as a child, on Dad's short wave radio.)

Teasing any particular signal out of that soup is every bit as challenging as you make it out to be, Coffee.

I've also spent hundreds of hours inside Faraday cages, looking for and suppressing spurious radio emissions from things I designed, so they would pass FCC testing. More than once, I walked around inside the cage with nothing turned on, watching the noise floor for any signs I might affect it, or rise above it.

Sadly, I seem to radiate nothing but nonsense.

 

Posting porn on the forums.  Now I have scope envy .. right before bed too. Great.

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:

It's $330 .. youch, oh well, it was a nice idea. One more thing on the list of things I'm going to end up making myself.

Yeah that price tag was a real showstopper.

[Madelaine McMasters]

3 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Posting porn on the forums.  Now I have scope envy .. right before bed too. Great.

It is porn, isn't it? My ex hubby would roll his eyes when I brought home test equipment from the office to play with at home. When our phone line conked out, I grabbed my scope and signal generator and did some makeshift time domain reflectometry. The AT&T service guy arrived, and promptly dismissed my suggestion that he look 700ft from the house to find his short. Clearly a little lady couldn't have figured that out.

Five minutes later, he returned to ask me how I'd known the distance to and nature of the fault. He'd just confirmed my measurement using his cable fault meter at the junction box in the back yard. I took him to the basement, where I revealed my test setup and gave him a short lesson on TDR. I showed him the pulse entering the phone line, and the inverted reflection two microseconds later. I also showed him that the line measured low resistance, confirming a short.

I then grabbed my trusty "wave demonstration spring" from the junk drawer and we went back outside for a demonstration.

His "aha" moment was delightful.

All of this started in my childhood, when Dad showed me what his oscilloscope could do. We created all manner of sensors for it, light, sound, motion, etc. We measured the speed of sound, the speed of light and the delay from lightning strike to thunder clap. By my teens, I had a visceral understanding of things my friends had only read about in books.

Now I'm cleaning out my lab, donating my old test equipment to colleagues, the local maker space, and my town's high school, which still uses the 12 inch telescope Dad and I made 35 years ago. Home remodeling occupies my time these days, but once I've got a working master bathroom again, I intend to refresh my test equipment collection with a few portable things I can use to carry my investigations out into the world.

Every girl should have an oscilloscope in her purse, don't you think?

Edited July 12, 2021 by Madelaine McMasters

[Arielle Popstar]

17 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

They are detectable though bits of metal wire. As in literally .. I got this bit of wire and I made it a certain length and attached it to some bits from a child's school Arduino kit. Here's a project to detect lightning strikes far far away (you don't even have to go outside!)

Every wire. Every cable. Ever trace on a circuit board. Is also an antenna. Transmitting and receiving.

If you were subconsciously able to pick up on subtle fluctuations in the local electromagnetic field, it would be drowned out by the deafening noise coming from your computer, your phone, the microwave down the street, street lamps, satellites in orbit, the dog shuffling about on carpet, the sun.

It's like trying to hear someone else heartbeat in the middle of a rock concert during a thunderstorm.

Interesting article that addresses some of that using the human body as both a transmitting and receiving antenna:

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/make-human-antenna/story?id=13600329

"May 14, 2011— -- Electromagnetic interference is everywhere, coming from appliances and electrical systems.

Now a team from Microsoft Research wants to harness this unorganized ambient noise as an affordable way to control everything from the TV channel to room temperature. Their experiments demonstrate that human interaction with the noise is actually predictable."

New Tech Uses Electromagnetic Fields for Sensing

[Rowan Amore]

Haven't seen much about that in the last 10 years though.  Must have not worked.as expected.  However, this might be the next new thing?  No 'telepathy' needed, just some holes drilled into your head with wires inserted.  It does seem as if it will be useful for some medical conditions.

https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-neuralink-works-monkeys-human-test-brain-computer-interface-in-2020/

[Madelaine McMasters]

1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Interesting article that addresses some of that using the human body as both a transmitting and receiving antenna:

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/make-human-antenna/story?id=13600329

"May 14, 2011— -- Electromagnetic interference is everywhere, coming from appliances and electrical systems.

Now a team from Microsoft Research wants to harness this unorganized ambient noise as an affordable way to control everything from the TV channel to room temperature. Their experiments demonstrate that human interaction with the noise is actually predictable."

New Tech Uses Electromagnetic Fields for Sensing

People have been acting as antennae and/or absorbers since the dawn of radio. I think most of us have had the experience of affecting radio or TV reception in a room just by walking around. Touching an antenna often has a noticeable effect. Wi-fi routers can detect motion and are being used as security systems when the occupants are away.

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

Haven't seen much about that in the last 10 years though.  Must have not worked.as expected. 

Microsoft dropped that research when voice control arrived. Voice is easier, cheaper, more natural, interactive, and powerful than gestures. Microsoft's entry into voice control was too little too late, so they abandoned that too, leaving Amazon, Apple, and Google.

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

However, this might be the next new thing?  No 'telepathy' needed, just some holes drilled into your head with wires inserted.  It does seem as if it will be useful for some medical conditions.

https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-neuralink-works-monkeys-human-test-brain-computer-interface-in-2020/

I'm actually more exited about the potential to augment human sensory systems. The interface is similar, but moves information in the other direction.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/06/844908/a-new-implant-for-blind-people-jacks-directly-into-the-brain/

As with your link, the most promising early applications seem to be for the disabled. I do look forward to wearing stylish AR glasses that can detect UV and infrared, so I can see the world as other creatures do.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Madelaine McMasters