Griefing with profile and alternate avatars

[Jill Redrose]

hello,

how it is possible to defend against someone who keeps placing an avatar (with insults written in profile description) in a sim where the target works, and messaging other people in sim to offend the target?

If the griefer has 100 alts, and the sim owner can't be there every day to ban these avatars?

 

Jill

 

[Mollymews]

43 minutes ago, Jill Redrose said:

how it is possible to defend against someone who keeps placing an avatar (with insults written in profile description) in a sim where the target works, and messaging other people in sim to offend the target?

If the griefer has 100 alts, and the sim owner can't be there every day to ban these avatars?

 

typically the region/parcel owner has group officers who have authority to ban avatars from the region/parcel

Edited June 16, 2021 by Mollymews
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[Jill Redrose]

1 minute ago, Mollymews said:

typically the region/parcel owner has group officers who have authority to ban avatars from the region/parcel

Well, it's not typical, and as I said, there is one owner but what to do against 100 alternate avatars?

And it's a diclosure problem too, since those insulting profiles report different avatar names, saying there is the same person behind.

 

[Alwin Alcott]

47 minutes ago, Jill Redrose said:

If the griefer has 100 alts, and the sim owner can't be there every day to ban these avatars?

if you'r no owner, or officer on that region .. perhaps move to some other place where you feel safer.

[Jill Redrose]

1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said:

if you'r no owner, or officer on that region .. perhaps move to some other place where you feel safer.

The target isn't me. The target is someone working in that region.

 

[Alwin Alcott]

2 minutes ago, Jill Redrose said:

The target isn't me. The target is someone working in that region.

 

still... the answer stays ... if the owner can't provide safety they have the choice to leave... or keep getting tortured by the griefer.
If you'r not affected by the matter, and looks like, no owner, your post isn't going to help, even if you want, you have no abilities.

[Maitimo]

3 hours ago, Jill Redrose said:

hello,

how it is possible to defend against someone who keeps placing an avatar (with insults written in profile description) in a sim where the target works, and messaging other people in sim to offend the target?

If the griefer has 100 alts, and the sim owner can't be there every day to ban these avatars?

 

Jill

 

If the target does not own the region, the only recourse they have is to stop working and visiting there.  Linden Lab typically do not respond to cases like this (it's considered a resident-to-resident dispute) so it's up to the target to find their own solution. If that solution means quitting SL altogether and never logging in again, well that's basically what they would have to do.

[Profaitchikenz Haiku]

5 hours ago, Jill Redrose said:

If the griefer has 100 alts, and the sim owner can't be there every day to ban these avatars?

It would be a monumental task for somebody to create this many alts, but f they did, and managed to get away with it, subsequently using those alts to target an individual would be a suitable subject for an AR.

However, from past experience as a land-owner plagued by a persistent alt-creator, I have to say that the victim is often being fooled into hurting themselves here with the thought of what damage the army of alts might be doing to their reputation: in all the cases I saw, those outside of the immediate drama treated the attempts by the alts to stir up trouble as exactly that, drama that had no bearing on them.

My advice is to mute the alts as each new one is discovered, until the number of them reaches something like a dozen, and then raise an AR for harrassment and stalking.

[Lillith Hapmouche]

Sooo... a security orb belonging to the parcel owner and with that target added as operator to kick and ban the sucker and their alts is no alternative?

I mean, said target could also quit SL and all, byebye, but it might be worth to try such a slightly milder method first.

 

... seriously, folks, "ohhh, some jerk is harrassing you, you might want to quit SL to stop it"... just... 🤨

[Jill Redrose]

19 minutes ago, Lillith Hapmouche said:

Sooo... a security orb belonging to the parcel owner and with that target added as operator to kick and ban the sucker and their alts is no alternative?

I mean, said target could also quit SL and all, byebye, but it might be worth to try such a slightly milder method first.

 

... seriously, folks, "ohhh, some jerk is harrassing you, you might want to quit SL to stop it"... just... 🤨

An orb... could be a method. For one avatar. For ten. Maybe twenty... and if the griefer continues with different alts?

I thought LL could do something when you publicly stay in a sim holding your profile full of insults like a sign, and containing a true disclosure issue as well.

 

[Rowan Amore]

3 minutes ago, Jill Redrose said:

An orb... could be a method. For one avatar. For ten. Maybe twenty... and if the griefer continues with different alts?

I thought LL could do something when you publicly stay in a sim holding your profile full of insults like a sign, and containing a true disclosure issue as well.

 

Disclosing RL information about another resident is against ToS and definitely reportable.  Disclosing some one's other SL accounts is also reportable.   The insults in the profile?  Probably not.  Does this mean the alts will stop coming?  Probably not.

If I were somewhere and a random person told me something derogatory about someone else in that area, I'd ignore them and mention it to the owner in a notecard.  Most residents tend to ignore this type of behavior as @Profaitchikenz Haikumentioned, and avoid the drama.

[Jill Redrose]

1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said:

Disclosing RL information about another resident is against ToS and definitely reportable.  Disclosing some one's other SL accounts is also reportable.   The insults in the profile?  Probably not.  Does this mean the alts will stop coming?  Probably not.

If I were somewhere and a random person told me something derogatory about someone else in that area, I'd ignore them and mention it to the owner in a notecard.  Most residents tend to ignore this type of behavior as @Profaitchikenz Haikumentioned, and avoid the drama.

You know, it's not about drama, there is no drama. I'm in that sim too and I'd just like to avoid to be the next... simply...

Then, someone told me "LL will never do anything" and, at this moment, I prefer to not believe that.

 

[Profaitchikenz Haiku]

3 minutes ago, Jill Redrose said:

Then, someone told me "LL will never do anything" and, at this moment, I prefer to not believe that.

They will do something if a suitable abuse-report is raised and they determine that abuse is indeed taking place. That is the only way by which they would become aware of such a situation.

[Rowan Amore]

1 minute ago, Jill Redrose said:

You know, it's not about drama, there is no drama. I'm in that sim too and I'd just like to avoid to be the next... simply...

Then, someone told me "LL will never do anything" and, at this moment, I prefer to not believe that.

 

The thing is, this person is doing it to try and create drama or to make the other person uncomfortable in that area.  Let the alts come.  Report what is reportable.  Ignore them completely.  Never let them know they are effecting you in any way even if they are.  They want a response.  Not giving them one defeats their entire purpose.  

 

[Jill Redrose]

1 minute ago, Profaitchikenz Haiku said:

They will do something if a suitable abuse-report is raised and they determine that abuse is indeed taking place. That is the only way by which they would become aware of such a situation.

Already done, thanks. Alts are still there.

 

[Maitimo]

There's always this:

Instant ban of the original and all current & future alts.

[Prokofy Neva]

1 hour ago, Jill Redrose said:

An orb... could be a method. For one avatar. For ten. Maybe twenty... and if the griefer continues with different alts?

I thought LL could do something when you publicly stay in a sim holding your profile full of insults like a sign, and containing a true disclosure issue as well.

 

I think you have to get a group of people to keep ARing this as "targeted abuse meant to harass" and just keep doing that until you get a response. One AR from one person is not enough.

[Jill Redrose]

2 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

I think you have to get a group of people to keep ARing this as "targeted abuse meant to harass" and just keep doing that until you get a response. One AR from one person is not enough.

I know, there have been several ones, and a profile is very easy to read...

[Silent Mistwalker]

9 hours ago, Jill Redrose said:

hello,

how it is possible to defend against someone who keeps placing an avatar (with insults written in profile description) in a sim where the target works, and messaging other people in sim to offend the target?

If the griefer has 100 alts, and the sim owner can't be there every day to ban these avatars?

 

Jill

 

It may be worth the effort to speak with the region owner, explain the situation and how long it's been going on and ask for eject and ban rights. If they say no, the only real recourse is to move/create a new account. LL refuses to arbitrate between residents. Something I've never really understood. Why have a Governor if there is no government. It's crazy and it works against retention far more than most any thing else, including the adult side of things.

[Jill Redrose]

30 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

It may be worth the effort to speak with the region owner, explain the situation and how long it's been going on and ask for eject and ban rights. [...]

Thanks, already did that too.

[Sid Nagy]

2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

If I were somewhere and a random person told me something derogatory about someone else in that area, I'd ignore them and mention it to the owner in a notecard.  Most residents tend to ignore this type of behavior as @Profaitchikenz Haikumentioned, and avoid the drama.

What?
Drama?

In Second Life?
ZOMG What's next?

[Eddy Vortex]

40 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

What?
Drama?

In Second Life?
ZOMG What's next?

"In Second Life nothing can be said to be certain except drama and lag." - probably Ben Franklin

[Rowan Amore]

4 minutes ago, Eddy Vortex said:

"In Second Life nothing can be said to be certain except drama and lag." - probably Ben Franklin

Or possibly Einstein.

[Profaitchikenz Haiku]

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

Or possibly Einstein.

Or one of his alts

[Chris Corvinus]

16 hours ago, Jill Redrose said:

hello,

how it is possible to defend against someone who keeps placing an avatar (with insults written in profile description) in a sim where the target works, and messaging other people in sim to offend the target?

If the griefer has 100 alts, and the sim owner can't be there every day to ban these avatars?

 

Jill

 

Theres nothing that can be done other than wasting time blocking alts. That is LL's solution. Its why griefing is so easy in-world because the program literally invites it.