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No.

Don't make the easy poke about there being adult content on SL. There is porn on the internet and that hasn't stopped business.

SL for actual business has far deeper problems. LL spent years digging themselves into that hole with nothing to show for it.

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Actually, during COVID I attended a meeting here with my Control Room team 🙂

We just met in a skybox, on a private estate that was nowhere near the MadLands 🙂

Actually, it was a pretty good recreation of our control room with some of the HMI’s displaying funnier stuffs than we ever see at work.

The trouble one of them got into later and the other’s traumatic fur-awakening were **not** my fault 🙂

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I just can't see it O.o

Everyone has to create an account and download a viewer they've never heard of, and then take an hour choosing a name that hasn't been taken. And then as the 'SL expert' (LOL) I have to spend another hour finding them all in search :o to TP them to a skybox in Public Sandbox I've just spent two hours decorating. And then, even if we don't get griefed, everyone spends another hour making jokes about each other's appearance and then another hour trying to sit, or even move. And then one of them checks out forums and sees I've been doing tarot readings when I should have been hard at work :/

or 20 minutes on Zoom or Teams xD

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This never took off even when SL was new, exciting and popular and lots of places set up virtual offices there. It would be even less accessible now that the learning curve within SL is so much steeper, and to be honest it always did take a fair amount of time to learn to operate. And anyway, wouldn't most people prefer to keep using Zoom or Teams for this purpose? Why have a nooby cartoon representing yourself when you could actually just see everyone?

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3 hours ago, Rat Luv said:

Everyone has to create an account and download a viewer they've never heard of, and then take an hour choosing a name that hasn't been taken.xD

Even with off the rack "serious business" avatars there are a lot of accessibility issues.

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7 hours ago, Adrian Rowley said:

"Lets meet via SL tomorrow...the office is located between the Lesbian puss lounge and the BDSM plaza"

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Rudi Giuliani, is that you?

Isn't it just bloody obvious that when you plan on having a meeting with colleagues in SL, and those colleagues are SL noobs themselves, then of course, you will not be setting up a meeting between the Lesbian Puss Lounge and the BDSM Plaza? You'd be a little bit more careful where to have the meeting, what the names of the neighboring regions on the map are, how to announce the location and how to keep strangers out.

As obvious as not connecting your laptop to the office's projector first and then click away that hentai animation.

It'd take a real Giuliani to make such a mistake.

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42 minutes ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

Isn't it just bloody obvious that when you plan on having a meeting with colleagues in SL, and those colleagues are SL noobs themselves, then of course, you will not be setting up a meeting between the Lesbian Puss Lounge and the BDSM Plaza?

I wouldn't put it past my current government, to be honest with you. But even if one does consider this, you just never know when the plot next to you might change hands and become something else.

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My RL employer looked at using Second Life for our conferences with the other sites worldwide.

 

I remember thinking to myself, how I'd transfer my toilet flush gesture to any work account I was given.  and renaming the onigokko to something like "cup of coffee (add me)".

 

Didn't actually wind up using SL, just used standard conference software.

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2 hours ago, Amina Sopwith said:

the plot next to you

That's true. The best option for a serious work environment would be to rent at last an entire, stand-alone homestead (and have it moved to a 'General' to 'Moderate' area on the grid map if needed to keep potential offensive Region names out of map's view).

There are also regions that are not visible on the map. These areas are 'reserved' according to Land Sales. Perhaps they could make a similar visibility arrangements for 'business'-type regions.

I already know where to get a nice conference table that doesn't have adult poses... :P 

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I can't share the specifics of the above set due to a conflict of interest.

But finding a location aside, the hard part will be to instruct colleagues who are completely new to SL. That would probably require some VoIP conference session with screen sharing on itself.

30 minutes ago, Adamburp Adamczyk said:

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Thanks for reminding me of this essential piece of business equipment!

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Last year, after the Covid lockdowns started and folks were working from home and doing lots of Zoom meetings, LL put out some sort of advertising about pre-built work locations inworld.  They would supply a fully pre-built region, based on one of 3-4 different layouts, and it would be walled off from the rest of SL -- i.e. folks could not TP out of the region or see normal SL search, etc...  I don't remember any more of the specifics, but my guess is that they would supply people with either the current batch of LL avatars or some other set to choose from.

I don't remember hearing any more about it after those first few ads, and even going through all of the links from their new page, nothing seems to resemble the stuff that was advertised last summer.

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23 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

I don't remember hearing any more about it after those first few ads, and even going through all of the links from their new page, nothing seems to resemble the stuff that was advertised last summer.

Yeah, I didn't follow any links.

I guess I just assumed that they had something nice set up for business. Some pre-built avatars and a selection of temporary office styles that weren't part of the world. Special guest style logins where you just have to enter your name.

Some kind of screen sharing to a media prim ...

8 hours ago, Rat Luv said:

or 20 minutes on Zoom or Teams

Very true. Although I think that if offices were willing to spend money on "fun" environments before, they might start looking for different ways to host meetings online.

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11 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

Last year, after the Covid lockdowns started and folks were working from home and doing lots of Zoom meetings, LL put out some sort of advertising about pre-built work locations inworld.  They would supply a fully pre-built region, based on one of 3-4 different layouts, and it would be walled off from the rest of SL -- i.e. folks could not TP out of the region or see normal SL search, etc...  I don't remember any more of the specifics, but my guess is that they would supply people with either the current batch of LL avatars or some other set to choose from.

I don't remember hearing any more about it after those first few ads, and even going through all of the links from their new page, nothing seems to resemble the stuff that was advertised last summer.

They call them turn-key remote meeting spaces and examples and details can be found here: EXPLORE | Second Life Work - Explore examples of virtual world meeting spaces or here: Second Life Venue Demos | Second Life

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11 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

They would supply a fully pre-built region, based on one of 3-4 different layouts,

You can see one of those at the "Boardroom" sim. LL estate services has some standard islands from which you can have a new region copied, and that is one of them. It's totally prim-era, with a few sculpts. There's also "Auditorium", which would be more useful if SL could accommodate as many users in one sim as the place has seats.

There are people doing business meetings in Roblox, and even Red Dead Redemption.

Meetings in SL aren't bad. It's the onboarding process that's awful.

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1 hour ago, animats said:

There are people doing business meetings in Roblox

no matter what you read in the industry press, no, they aren't.

one person on twitter citing meetings in RDR and getting a little press attention  (that then ends up copy pasta across all the rags) is not a trend, it is a bizarre exception. One rando having a meeting in a video game is not a sustainable revenue stream and marketable opportunity.

we have been down this road, LL chased this pot of gold to the determent of the entire platform for years and had zero success, it keeps coming up and even at the height of covid it still wasn't a thing.

Read the SL work FAQs, it's a fiction that promises 60 to 100 avatars in a location and suggests business outfit their meeting spaces by searching for tools on the SLM. It presumes a huge commitment to SL as platform and willingness for business customers to expend serious effort making it happen.  It includes such gems as 

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Although operating within the Second Life environment might be challenging at first, it’s easy to get the hang of all of the movements that you’ll be using in a business environment—walking, sitting, teleporting, etc. For more information and tips on how to get around, visit our Knowledge Base. Our new user also covers how to move your avatar and interact with the environment. If you're unsure about what to do, try right-clicking on something you can see; a menu will open, displaying available interaction options -- like sitting on a chair, or paying a vendor to purchase an item.

There is nothing turnkey about any of this. This is not how business works.

Lets have a zoom call .. 5 minutes .. JOB DONE.

Lets use Teams, it just as easy and comes with free depression!

Lets meet in SL .. we should probably have a zoom call to brief everyone on how to get an avatar and how sitting works, bob's working on a getting started email guide for everyone, oh and we should give people some money so they can buy .. um .. stuff. lets say we do this .. a week next wednesday. Hang on, the infosec team are having literal kittens over this idea and wont stop trying to call ... 

 

 

 

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I know how this can work. The IT team logs into SL with each person's account and sets up every avatar. They teleport the avatar into the meeting room and then log them out. IT checks to make sure everyone can run SL on their laptops and then pushes it onto everyone's computer. The employees see a new icon on their desktop to launch SL and receive an email with an account and password to log in. They log in and find an avatar already set up and in the right place. If anyone has a problem, they can exit SL and an IT person can log in and fix any problems before handing the account back to them. 

People in business can be very computer savvy. They have to learn to operate many programs. The younger ones will take to SL easily. Those people up to even 40 to 50 will also be fairly good with following directions.  We did something similar in my office where we all had to download a program provided by an email link, install it and sign up to a web service, within the space of just 10 minutes and everyone started using the program. 

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17 minutes ago, Bree Giffen said:

I know how this can work. The IT team logs into SL with each person's account and sets up every avatar. They teleport the avatar into the meeting room and then log them out. IT checks to make sure everyone can run SL on their laptops and then pushes it onto everyone's computer. The employees see a new icon on their desktop to launch SL and receive an email with an account and password to log in. They log in and find an avatar already set up and in the right place. If anyone has a problem, they can exit SL and an IT person can log in and fix any problems before handing the account back to them. 

People in business can be very computer savvy. They have to learn to operate many programs. The younger ones will take to SL easily. Those people up to even 40 to 50 will also be fairly good with following directions.  We did something similar in my office where we all had to download a program provided by an email link, install it and sign up to a web service, within the space of just 10 minutes and everyone started using the program. 

It would never work in my company. The computers they supply us are fine for Teams and MS Office but they would be absolutely terrible at running SL.

And our "IT department" is one poor guy and his apprentice assistance who are already rushed off their feet. There's no way they've got time to set up 300 SL accounts and handle the customer-service tickets from 299 people who have problems understanding it. 

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If this happens at my place of work, I'd have no choice but to upgrade my avatar, just out of reflex. A quick stop at Maitreya and LAQ would be in order.

I would have the nicest avatar in the room. Problem then is that everyone would know I'm an SL resident.

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I worked for a company that dabbled in SL for remote social gatherings. (not for actual work) I kept an alt avatar just for that. Everyone was expected to set their own stuff up and the company tossed us a few hundred Linden to play with. 

It was nice for a little while but most people couldn't get a handle on the controls. Didn't last very long even in a tech startup that had a strong number of people who knew what it was.l and had positive feelings about it. 

 

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Any platform for holding meetings remotely needs to be very accessible and user friendly. Most people who use it aren't going to be technical. Even Zoom and Teams, for all their pandemic success, are well known for "CAN YOU HEAR ME?", "You're on mute!" and cat filters that can't be removed. Actually, Zoom really isn't very user friendly for setting up meetings, either.

SL, bless it, just isn't very accessible, as previous posters have explained. It really does take a fair amount of time to get used to even the basics, if you come in completely new.

What drives most SL activity and economy these days?

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Besides the problems of the accessibility ...

What is the advantage for using SL? Sitting around a table? You don't need SL for a conference then.
How you exchange documents? SL will not help here.
Showing screens with info's? There is this invention called browser who can show screens too - even to people who haven't leanrt to operate SL's camera.
Showing models or a building or city that is planned? Yes - but 1st someone has to build that in SL. Not to mention that SL is too small for large structures.

 

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31 minutes ago, Nova Convair said:

Besides the problems of the accessibility ...

What is the advantage for using SL? Sitting around a table? You don't need SL for a conference then.
How you exchange documents? SL will not help here.
Showing screens with info's? There is this invention called browser who can show screens too - even to people who haven't leanrt to operate SL's camera.
Showing models or a building or city that is planned? Yes - but 1st someone has to build that in SL. Not to mention that SL is too small for large structures.

Also, it might be OK if you assume remote work meetings are all fun, and we just have a laugh on Teams! Sometimes they are, but they can also be boring and annoying, and people complain or have issues. I just can't imagine discussing any serious work-related problems with my line manager if I was looking at him as a starter avatar on SL, with half his body missing :|

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7 hours ago, Bree Giffen said:

I know how this can work. The IT team logs into SL with each person's account and sets up every avatar. They teleport the avatar into the meeting room and then log them out. IT checks to make sure everyone can run SL on their laptops and then pushes it onto everyone's computer. The employees see a new icon on their desktop to launch SL and receive an email with an account and password to log in. They log in and find an avatar already set up and in the right place. If anyone has a problem, they can exit SL and an IT person can log in and fix any problems before handing the account back to them. 

Bree Nailed it. This is exactly how it would work. 

The meeting would then happen, and afterwards they would compare the experience to a regular teleconference call, remarking at how utterly unsuitable SL voice is, how the CTO somehow moved their camera and couldn't hear anyone so had to get a collogue to relay the audio via their cell phone. Several people were apparently talking in chat, others mentioned they didn't know there was chat. One person got a random message that popped up on his screen and got stuck in a EDM club, he's broke some rule and is now locked in a dance cage and needs the rest of the day off to serve his time.

Meanwhile IT are busy preparing for the next "adventure meeting", someone suggested Habbo hotel, by the pool.

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