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5 hours ago, Noelle Delaunay said:

It's not about the fact that bots could gather lots and lots of data about you and everyone on SL? When are you online? Do you have a job IRL? What sims do you visit? Who do you hang out with? Etc.

Actually yes that is a rather serious concern of mine, especially since some of the info I came across points to the possibility of individuals associated with troll/grief groups running some of the bots. I've seen and had to deal with people going after anyone close to a target when they can't attack the person directly. The use of bots is also a good way to stalk someone without getting abuse reported too, the person has to crap up governance with a ton of reports that may or may not be important or related to the person stalking them.

4 hours ago, Noelle Delaunay said:

You have several instruments to limit the presence of residents on your land, so if bots are really this big of an issue to you then there you go. If you don't use these instruments out of convenience then the personal impact of being annoyed by a bot can't be really this huge.

I'm pretty sure I stated it earlier but if not I'll say again that a means of filtering out specifically scripted agents would be appreciated and pretty instantly fix this issue, in much the same way that you can filter people out by payment info having a box to check (and is overridden by access list) would do nicely. Regarding people just not signing the bots up as scripted agents, I could see that being a problem but if you aren't doing anything illicit you should be setting them proper, which also makes it easy to figure out who is up to something shady.

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On 6/5/2021 at 6:33 AM, Lillith Hapmouche said:

Bot hopping for the sake sim statistics does not justify that my private, non-of-your-business sim gets visited by at least 7 bots within an hour on my Friday night. N00b avatar, the youngest 5 to 7 years old, a blank profile with zip information spawning at random spots on the ground. I'm waiting for one of them to spawn in the firepit, actually, since you can freeze them for a little while. 

But no problem, I'll just make an allow list, if that's what social Second Life wants me to do. 🙄

If your sim was "private, non-of-your-business" they wouldn't be able to visit 🤔

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I have land in 28 regions at the moment. The last 4 days Ive had 21 bots (Ive never seen previously) land on them.

Generally I don't give 2 craps about bots after I actually took the time to learn about bots and see how beneficial bots can be to the community (At least for the bot owners that share info) I am not sure who the owner of these 21 (so far 21) bots are and since they were triggering my visitor script (too many times) I just made a script that bans them all using llAddToLandBanList all I do is deed the box to the group, click it, delete it. Check the ban list and all 21 are now in there. As new ones land on my parcels I just add them to the script and can later re-deed and click. (if the bot owner contacts me I would unban them, towngen, onebatiz, thcrinfi,, asiourawfl, and all your other brothers and sisters... if you read this)

There are a few bots that I know who the owners are, such as Loubot who's website was posted on this thread already. I have seen Loubot land on my land no less than 30 times over the last year or 2. I don't bother banning because I know what the bot is doing and I enjoy looking at stats and numbers. (I don't bother banning any bots unless its visiting too often, like multiple times a day)

I think people just worry way to much about things they don't need to worry about.

My home parcel gets visited by bots very often (Billybitche used to be a regular and I bet most of you have seen the name too, this one spins in a circle and leaves and has been around for years). I just don't care. Its just collecting sim data most likely and leaving within seconds.

I 100% have bigger things to worry about.

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Yeah, stupid me, how could I allow open access to a sim not listed in search and not mentioned anywhere?

Now I can add a new plus to the list of not living on maindland: my former plot got the occasional flyby or bypasser, but never was honoured with the horde of bots.

It's so much better to have access limited to group and expect all the real folks to have room for an extra group and take the hassle of joining it before they may enter.

Sadly, I cannot report how many more potential new friends I missed, though all of them seemed so shy and silent at first.

What was I thinking of trying to be social, eeehhhwww...

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7 hours ago, Lillith Hapmouche said:

Yeah, stupid me, how could I allow open access to a sim not listed in search and not mentioned anywhere?

Now I can add a new plus to the list of not living on maindland: my former plot got the occasional flyby or bypasser, but never was honoured with the horde of bots.

It's so much better to have access limited to group and expect all the real folks to have room for an extra group and take the hassle of joining it before they may enter.

Sadly, I cannot report how many more potential new friends I missed, though all of them seemed so shy and silent at first.

What was I thinking of trying to be social, eeehhhwww...

You could always just ban as they come. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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10 hours ago, Malin Sabra said:

I think people just worry way to much about things they don't need to worry about.

I can worry about my region as much i want, and need nobody to tell me i don't need to.
It's absurd to get 5 to 10 bots a day to check if you'r still owner and if the region is still present. Or whatever info they collect.
I locked mine with several restrictions since long time.
It's my most important tool to unwind from RL. Nobody needs to be there without i want them to be there.

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1 hour ago, Alwin Alcott said:

I can worry about my region as much i want, and need nobody to tell me i don't need to.
It's absurd to get 5 to 10 bots a day to check if you'r still owner and if the region is still present. Or whatever info they collect.
I locked mine with several restrictions since long time.
It's my most important tool to unwind from RL. Nobody needs to be there without i want them to be there.

I don't disagree with you.

You are 100% right.

Edit: There definitely should be a way to block any avi thats set as a scripted agent. That would eliminate a lot of this as long as bot owners are following the rules and setting them as a scripted agent.

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I've just had a second close encounter of the Bot type in the last couple of days. Both on my own parcels, and 'very' close to where I was sitting. They used to keep their distance, so to speak, but not anymore. I don't want to put ban lines up, but the blocked Bot list is getting ridiculously long! I like visitors on my parcels, ones who will respond to my greeting them, and have a chat, but Bots landing as close as they are now is getting bleeping annoying!

BTW why are they necessary for Linden Home regions? Before I gave up on LH I had quite a few 'visits'!

Oh, and I pay for my SL time, so I feel I can justifiably rant about this issue 😁

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On 6/5/2021 at 7:59 PM, Noelle Delaunay said:

You have several instruments to limit the presence of residents on your land, so if bots are really this big of an issue to you then there you go. If you don't use these instruments out of convenience then the personal impact of being annoyed by a bot can't be really this huge. I don't claim any authority but this thread is open for discussion, and in my humble opinion the individually felt annoyance brought to you by any resident spending 8 seconds on your land, while you could prevent this by your land's privacy rules, is NOTHING compared to the big picture here. I'm calling this out, and if you're blaming me for this then please do.

Actually its not that easy. Maybe you are happy to have 20 or more scripted agents on your site each day, but many of us are not. Most of us don't want unidentified bots on our private lands (either regions or mainland lots) for various reasons mentioned by myself and others in this blog.  And many of us wish to keep the lands open to bona-fide traffic.  Using the ban list to keep bots out is impractical - its limited to 300.  Whats wrong with having bots 1) identify that they are scripted agents, 2) identify their purpose on your land which you pay for and thus are bequeathed by LL with certain rights, privileges and expectations.  If this isn't part of the 'big picture', what is an issue for you?  SL is supposed to be a service provided to us a customers for entertainment, business or social intercourse, and not a place for us to be abused by unregulated and unwanted traffic.

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On 6/5/2021 at 6:33 PM, Noelle Delaunay said:

What I find funny about this thread is that the main concern expressed about bots is "I own my precious land and how dare bots assuming the right to tp here for 8 seconds and annoy me." It's funny because like THIS IS YOUR MAIN CONCERN?!?! Seriously? In 2021? It's not about the fact that bots could gather lots and lots of data about you and everyone on SL? When are you online? Do you have a job IRL? What sims do you visit? Who do you hang out with? Etc.

Noelle - We pay for the pleasure of being in SL, we pay for the right to have exclusive use of certain parcels of digital land.  There is enough invasion of our lives in RL without this being expanded in to SL.  And its not about bots gathering illusory information about our digital activities, its about their their unwanted presence at all.  And its not 8 seconds and they are gone... they show up in clusters, many times a day for many minutes at a time. You are free to enjoy their presence.  Many of the rest of us should have some right of discretion as to who we invite and who we wish to not bother us during our limited recreational time online.

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