Phil Deakins Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) Unfortunately, a thread was locked before I could reply to someone who quoted me and replied to me. We all use a viewer for SL, of course, but someone said it's a browser, not a viewer. As evidence for perhaps some confusion, she said that LL themselves sometimes refer to it as a browser when talking about "internal or external browser", and made an apparently clever comment to say that there isn't an internal browser. Only apparently clever though I think I've got all that pretty much right. Here it is:- "In fact LL itself slips up and calls it that *within the viewer* when it asks about going to an internal or external browser. Unless, of course we're to accept the proposition that inside the viewer, there's an internal browser." I didn't get the opportunity to reply to it before the thread was locked, so I am here to say that there most definitely IS a browser within the viewer. It is not merely a proposition. We are offered a choice of internal or external browsers when we click a URL link inworld to view a webpage. If we choose internal, the viewer opens up its own internal web browser inside the viewer. Edited March 17, 2021 by Phil Deakins 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said: I didn't get the opportunity to reply to it before the thread was locked, so I am here to say that there most definitely IS a browser within the viewer. It is not merely a proposition. We are offered a choice of internal or external browsers when we click a URL link inworld to view a webpage. If we choose internal, the viewer opens up its own internal web browser inside the viewer. 100% correct. The client that we use to access SL is a 'viewer', not a 'browser' --- though I'm not sure what the mobile clients call themselves if they aren't providing the graphics. And then, inside the viewer, we can access web stuff via the internal browser or an external one. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, LittleMe Jewell said: 100% correct. The client that we use to access SL is a 'viewer', not a 'browser' --- though I'm not sure what the mobile clients call themselves if they aren't providing the graphics. And then, inside the viewer, we can access web stuff via the internal browser or an external one. You answered your own quandary: They're called .... Clients. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzevir Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 You say potato I say krumpli. But yes this is a viewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orwar Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: though I'm not sure what the mobile clients call themselves if they aren't providing the graphics. ... ... Blinders? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profaitchikenz Haiku Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I go by TPV - Third Party Viewer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 That thread got locked? oh for the love of... Viewer. To view SL. The browser inside the viewer, to browse the internet/MP. /me sits back and waits on the wall of text as to why we are all wrong 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Patch Linden Posted March 17, 2021 Administrators Share Posted March 17, 2021 Does this make it clear? 😁 2 4 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Some of us would like to use a browser though to access S/L. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Some of us would like to use a browser though to access S/L. You can - sort of: https://speedlight.io/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: You can - sort of: https://speedlight.io/ But but..it's on the TPV list so technically...is it a viewer or a browser? SpeedLight is a professional Second Life viewer: 100% browser-based, no downloads required 100% mobile and tablet ready Allows switching between devices without logging out Allows keeping avatar online 24/7 IM history is always available (even offline) Edited March 17, 2021 by Rowan Amore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 53 minutes ago, Patch Linden said: Does this make it clear? 😁 it only says viewer 13 times. Might want to say it more times I think just to be more clear. Can get in at least another 20 viewer mentions. For at least 33 times. Like: Second Life Viewer Download the SL Viewer if you want to run the viewer on Windows Viewer Version Number: 6.4.13.555567 Need Viewer Support? Viewer System Requirements Viewer Release Notes Not running the viewer on Windows? Download the Mac viewer or Linux viewer Want to run the viewer on a 32 bit system? Download the Windows 32 bit viewer. About Second Life Viewer To explore, communicate, and connect in Second Life, you'll need to download our 3D browsing viewer software, or what we call the SL Viewer. The viewer is not only fast and easy to download and install, but the viewer is free, and the viewer contains no spyware. Other Viewers Advanced Second Life residents may want to experiment with different viewers, including our latest viewer candidate release of the SL Viewer. Help make the SL Viewer even better than previous viewers! If you're an experienced viewer-using Resident, then download one of the latest viewer release candidates or project SL Viewers and let us know what you think of the viewer. Alternate viewers can be found on our Viewer Release Notes page, including Project Viewers, Third-Party Viewers and the Second Life Development Viewer. 😸 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monique Bellambi Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: You can - sort of: https://speedlight.io/ I would love to use GeforceNow. I play almost everything using that now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Patch Linden said: Does this make it clear? 😁 Which came first, the Viewer or the SIM?! * winks in Babelfish * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profaitchikenz Haiku Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Mollymews said: it only says viewer 13 times. Might want to say it more times I think just to be more clear. You get my vote for the Sarc of the year award 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 @Patch Linden you once had a test a viewer that worked in a web browser, it would load into SL as a guest, I used it a few times, what ever happened to that project. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 You used to also be able to access SL, using Firestorm or the SL Viewer, all from within a browser -- via Bright Canopy, but they closed up a few years ago. I imagine they found it hard to be profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmi Zehetbauer Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I should fire up my "client" and hop into SL sometime again! 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritigern Gothly Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Rowan Amore said: But but..it's on the TPV list so technically...is it a viewer or a browser? It's a viewer which runs in your web browser. Unless you use it as an app (android/iOS) on your mobile device, in which case it becomes a viewer for mobile devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritigern Gothly Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: Which came first, the Viewer or the SIM?! * winks in Babelfish * Ask these guys: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryanne Solo Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Raises 2 eyeBROWS...er.... for a clearer VIEW of the proceedings....... ^.^ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriele Graves Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) Really? *sighs* Shouldn't this have been obvious? 9 hours ago, Profaitchikenz Haiku said: I go by TPV - Third Party Viewer. I've always thought that TPV sounds like a type of infection personally. Edited March 18, 2021 by Gabriele Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arduenn Schwartzman Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 12 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said: https://speedlight.io/ If I run this as web on a prim in SL, will it become a Third Life viewer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) In the locked thread I'd written that a browser performs a completely different function to the viewer, and since I'm sitting here quite bored, I thought I'd say what I meant by it. But first, my thanks to @Patch Linden for the 'official' clarification Viewer: a mobile window, through which the 3D world, and what happens in it, can be seen/viewed - 'viewer' being a very applicable word for it. Browser: a static board that displays pages of data. Some of the data can show movement but the board itself is static. You don't see anything through it in the way that you see through the viewer window. You only see things that are on it. Edited March 18, 2021 by Phil Deakins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Nova Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Really? This was argued about in a locked thread? In before the lock!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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