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Just now, Luna Bliss said:

1 in 6 kids in the U.S. go to bed hungry, and no doubt more since Covid -- wonder why the Creator doesn't come and help since He was so good with the snakes..

Because the god of this world is satan as we gave our allegiance to him.

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4 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Its the truth as I see it. I am not forcing you to accept what I see and you couldn't even if you wanted to. The truths in the Bible are spiritually discerned, not a matter of intelligence.

That's partly truth. Subjective truth.

There's also an objective truth creationists will never have their share in.

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1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said:
12 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

If I studied these passages in the Bible I'm certain I'd get a different interpretation. How would you reconcile that? What makes yours into the truth you're so certain of?

Its the truth as I see it. I am not forcing you to accept what I see and you couldn't even if you wanted to. The truths in the Bible are spiritually discerned, not a matter of intelligence.

Your spiritual truths mentioned in this thread are innocent enough (except for the insult to general intelligence). But the problem with people tying all truth to the Bible is is that they eventually use their interpretation to abuse other people.  Hotlines to God are notorious in this respect.

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3 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
4 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

1 in 6 kids in the U.S. go to bed hungry, and no doubt more since Covid -- wonder why the Creator doesn't come and help since He was so good with the snakes..

Because the god of this world is satan as we gave our allegiance to him.

The children with hungry bellies worship Satan?

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1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

Hotlines to God are notorious in this respect.

Now wonder the amount of people heading towards him directly at any given time.

 

"Oh god, I 'm ... "

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8 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Its the truth as I see it. I am not forcing you to accept what I see and you couldn't even if you wanted to. The truths in the Bible are spiritually discerned, not a matter of intelligence.

That's partly truth. Subjective truth.

There's also an objective truth creationists will never have their share in.

Yes, they need to stop with claiming objective truth...that's where the abuse of others enters..

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2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Your spiritual truths mentioned in this thread are innocent enough (except for the insult to general intelligence). But the problem with people tying all truth to the Bible is is that they eventually use their interpretation to abuse other people.  Hotlines to God are notorious in this respect.

You are the one going on about hotlines to God and in past you have mentioned your connection to your goddess. Tell me how my hotline is different from yours?

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6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Your spiritual truths mentioned in this thread are innocent enough (except for the insult to general intelligence). But the problem with people tying all truth to the Bible is is that they eventually use their interpretation to abuse other people.  Hotlines to God are notorious in this respect.

That is you being subjective?

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Just now, Arielle Popstar said:
5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Your spiritual truths mentioned in this thread are innocent enough (except for the insult to general intelligence). But the problem with people tying all truth to the Bible is is that they eventually use their interpretation to abuse other people.  Hotlines to God are notorious in this respect.

You are the one going on about hotlines to God and in past you have mentioned your connection to your goddess. Tell me how my hotline is different from yours?

My connection to what is deeper and beyond myself at any given moment tells me not to eat another cookie, or to clean my house, or to stop working so much and rest -- an invitation to experience a better reality for my life. My God doesn't tell me how the world was created and what is true for other people.

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2 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
9 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Your spiritual truths mentioned in this thread are innocent enough (except for the insult to general intelligence). But the problem with people tying all truth to the Bible is is that they eventually use their interpretation to abuse other people.  Hotlines to God are notorious in this respect.

That is you being subjective?

Just the fact that you are defining objective reality for other people is a type of abuse (bordering on psychosis actually, with assigning meanings to all sorts of signs -- it scared me to read your process for determining reality...like I was reading the words of someone out of touch with reality).

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1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

My connection to what is deeper and beyond myself at any given moment tells me not to eat another cookie, or to clean my house, or to stop working so much and rest -- an invitation to experience a better reality for my life. My God doesn't tell me how the world was created and what is true for other people.

So my God does through the Bible and yours leaves it to your own discretion and whatever the current theory is for this time. Wonderful. Have at it. 

You have been telling me what should be true for me and many others since the day I first set eyes on one of your posts. In all that time I might have shared my own experience or put forward some thinking of others, but I cannot recall ever telling you what is true for you or others.

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3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Just the fact that you are defining objective reality for other people is a type of abuse (bordering on psychosis actually, with assigning meanings to all sorts of signs -- it scared me to read your process for determining reality...like I was reading the words of someone out of touch with reality).

Oh i was just accused of only looking at subjective reality but you now  flip flopping and saying I am defining your objective one? Make up my mind!

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2 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
8 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

My connection to what is deeper and beyond myself at any given moment tells me not to eat another cookie, or to clean my house, or to stop working so much and rest -- an invitation to experience a better reality for my life. My God doesn't tell me how the world was created and what is true for other people.

So my God does through the Bible and yours leaves it to your own discretion and whatever the current theory is for this time. Wonderful. Have at it. 

You are forgetting that you are interpreting the Bible...while at the same time imagining God is telling you certain things which apply to other people -- views on how the world was created, for example.  You, and your Bible, do not get to decide what the world is for everyone else on the planet!

Did you ever notice you're supposed to have a relationship with God, to pray to God?  This is the same as meditation. And it's all about becoming a better person yourself. You seem to miss that, or at the very least you never speak of it.

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7 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

You have been telling me what should be true for me and many others since the day I first set eyes on one of your posts. In all that time I might have shared my own experience or put forward some thinking of others, but I cannot recall ever telling you what is true for you or others.

You mean like wearing masks does not cause Covid? Yes, from scientific research I will tell you what I think is true.

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6 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
11 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Just the fact that you are defining objective reality for other people is a type of abuse (bordering on psychosis actually, with assigning meanings to all sorts of signs -- it scared me to read your process for determining reality...like I was reading the words of someone out of touch with reality).

Oh i was just accused of only looking at subjective reality but you now  flip flopping and saying I am defining your objective one? Make up my mind!

You think your subjective reality is the objective reality.

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12 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

You are forgetting that you are interpreting the Bible...while at the same time imagining God is telling you certain things which apply to other people -- views on how the world was created, for example.  You, and your Bible, do not get to decide what the world is for everyone else on the planet!

Did you ever notice you're supposed to have a relationship with God, to pray to God?  This is the same as meditation. And it's all about becoming a better person yourself. You seem to miss that, or at the very least you never speak of it.

I agree...so I wanted to expand on what Luna said. 

But to Arielle, where is God so concerned with the physical over the spiritual?  The O.T. contains prophecies and that's even what Jesus said.  It's not a literal live with every t crossed and every i dotted because if it's that, then you may as well live the Jewish Orthodox way with the 612 or so laws where every t must be crossed and every i dotted, lest you loose your life or have to pay a very hefty burden.  Jesus set us free from that.  I don't think you get that.  You are free.  Free to love.  Jesus didn't come here to be a scientist.  

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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47 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

You posted that after my story about being set down the path to independence of thought by my father's admonition that "Man creates God in his own image" before sending me off to Sunday school where he knew I'd hear the reverse.

It seemed to me this might be an inference that I am too enamored of my father's thinking to challenge it.

I too loved showing my father that he was wrong on stuff, since before I could talk. Those early years were a very tough slog. I got my head handed to me on a platter more times than I care to, or can count. Things eventually improved and I started winning rounds here and there. Ultimately, though our thinking diverged, we continued to delight in bringing each other new ideas to challenge our old beliefs.

Dad would often challenge me with false statements, to make sure I was on my toes and ready to swat him down. When I started swatting down ideas he held as true, he was gracious in defeat and sometimes giddy.

Now, rather than wonder if there was an inference about me in your "Dad's image" statement, I wonder if you were mistaken about yourself.

No, your story just reminded me of the time that the realization hit me that I was really projecting my Father as God which I suppose he was as I was growing up but when I became an adult I should have been letting go of that. I was just slow in doing so. It was not meant as any sort of barb towards your relationship with yours. In fact I will admit I am somewhat envious of the relationship you had with yours as other then a few rare occurrences, I can't say I had much of one with my Father. It was really only after he had passed away that I really started to appreciate him for who he was.

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14 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Bible is is that they eventually use their interpretation to abuse other people.  Hotlines to God are notorious in this respect.

Saying this very respectfully

 Saying people  is    as i read   it  is  saying all who tying truth to the bible  how they perceive it  they will abuse others ,,,,,   this is  not so,

  The phrasing  reads  "" anyone who believes  sooner or later      will be abusive  and say the bible said its ok and that is not  true ,,,,   and that is worrisome .  Mother Teresa was far from abusive  so is she included in that statement,,,, just trying to clarify

I am aware of some of the stories and saw that post  but not every  one who believes or reads  the bible would do that . 

on a lighter note    for comparisons      ... If one calls the psychic hotline and they are told do  this and that /////are they  just as  dangerous  .... being they could also abuse there  interpretation   of that information of  was told to them  by hotline psychic   or reading the horoscope ????

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6 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

But to Arielle, where is God so concerned with the physical over the spiritual?  The O.T. contains prophecies and that's even what Jesus said.  It's not a literal live with every t crossed and every i dotted because if it's that, then you may as well live the Jewish Orthodox way with the 612 or so laws where every t must be crossed and every i dotted, lest you loose your life or have to pay a very hefty burden.  Jesus set us free from that.  I don't think you get that.  You are free.  Free to love.  Jesus didn't come here to be a scientist.  

It appears Biblical Literalists are terrified that evolution might be true and disprove their conception of what God is. Hence all their pseudo-science ramblings and political activities attempting to make their view of the world paramount.

The Creationism was struck down in court, so now they have a more veiled attack claiming it has nothing to do with religion, calling it Intelligent Design.

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9 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

You are forgetting that you are interpreting the Bible...while at the same time imagining God is telling you certain things which apply to other people -- views on how the world was created, for example.  You, and your Bible, do not get to decide what the world is for everyone else on the planet!

What my viewpoint is about human origins makes a negligible difference to my own life on a day to day basis. Why the heck would my viewpoint make any difference to yours? Perhaps you suffer from that malady where when someone holds a different viewpoint then you on the world wide web, you have a goddess given command to go straighten them out?

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Did you ever notice you're supposed to have a relationship with God, to pray to God?  This is the same as meditation. And it's all about becoming a better person yourself. You seem to miss that, or at the very least you never speak of it.

Perhaps you were too busy talking then and missed it though I do recall you responding to several of my posts where I shared of my journey to becoming  a better person through a couple different recovery groups.

You appear to be grasping at straws now.

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31 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

But the problem with people tying all truth to the Bible is is that they eventually use their interpretation to abuse other people.  Hotlines to God are notorious in this respect.

saying this very respectfully  saying people  is  as i read it saying all who tying truth to the bible  how they perceive it  they will abuse others ,,,,, not so,

 but  the phrasing  reads anyone who believes  sooner or later      will be abusive  and say the bible said its ok and that is not  true ,,,,   and that is worrisome .  Mother Teresa was far from abusive  so is she included in that statement,,,, just trying to clarify

I am aware of some of the stories and saw that post  but not every  one who believes or read would do that . 

on a lighter note if one calls the psychic hotline and they are told do  this and that /////are they not as dangerous being they could also abuse due to the interpretation that was told to them    or reading the horoscope ????

Perhaps I should say 'most' would, or will. I doubt you would directly do so. However, sometimes by participating in something that has a negative effect on the world (Biblical Literalism) one can indirectly harm others.

There are political/religious movements occurring...events at meta-levels...an attempt to get all people to conform to their particular Biblical world view.

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5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
25 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

You are forgetting that you are interpreting the Bible...while at the same time imagining God is telling you certain things which apply to other people -- views on how the world was created, for example.  You, and your Bible, do not get to decide what the world is for everyone else on the planet!

What my viewpoint is about human origins makes a negligible difference to my own life on a day to day basis. Why the heck would my viewpoint make any difference to yours? Perhaps you suffer from that malady where when someone holds a different viewpoint then you on the world wide web, you have a goddess given command to go straighten them out?

Biblical Literalism, especially when combined with political parties, stunts people's lives and even kills them. This is becoming more and more pronounced in the U.S. Get out from under your rock and do a little research.

So I will call it out when I see it.

Take your red herring fish about me not being able to cope with people different from me and stuff it you know where.

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8 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
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Did you ever notice you're supposed to have a relationship with God, to pray to God?  This is the same as meditation. And it's all about becoming a better person yourself. You seem to miss that, or at the very least you never speak of it.

Perhaps you were too busy talking then and missed it though I do recall you responding to several of my posts where I shared of my journey to becoming  a better person through a couple different recovery groups.

You appear to be grasping at straws now.

Recovery groups don't necessarily equate to a relationship with God.

Straws?

 

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Just now, Luna Bliss said:

Biblical Literalism, especially when combined with political parties, stunts people's lives and even kills them. This is becoming more and more pronounced in the U.S. Get out from under your rock and do a little research.

So I will call it out when I see it.

Take your red herring fish about me not being able to cope with people different from me and stuff it you know where.

One has to wonder how much of the bible literalism is in reaction to the socialist/communist agenda that is becoming so pronounced in the US, which is stunting people's lives, cancelling them when they don't toe the lefty line and increasingly encroaching on freedoms.

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