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27 minutes ago, missyrideout said:

On that subject, since I'm already armchair quarterbacking other people's businesses with no qualifications or background: The reason Slink's market share fell so fast was the BOM update. Not the implementation (although alpha layers only were confusing for many consumers) but the rollout. They should have done what Maitreya did. Free updates for all. The complex convoluted range of products and bundles needed for a free update, a policy that in many cases required contacting the creator to find out how to proceed.  Yes, of course creators want to, and should, get paid for their work. But how many future sales and how much positive momentum did they lose in that moment when BOM was new and fresh and everyone wanted to check it out?

They did give free updates for all, for the product that the customer owned. The only thing that was possibly confusing was the procedure for updating to a free bundled body in addition to what you already owned.

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This is somewhat predictable, and at the same time, disappointing. I have, and use with fair regularity, three different bodies: Maitreya (with and without the Petite add-on), Slink Physique, and

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The problem with mesh bodies is you're stuck wearing a body based on the clothes you want vs the body you actually like. Bodies that are more affordable and more superior on a technical level hav

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One of my girl alts has Maitreya with a Lelutka Evo head, the other is primarily Belleza Freya with Catwa head but recently started using Kalhene (which is really too skinny for her) and still looking for something similar shape to Freya that has BOM properly implemented. Kupra is, well, all booty, and that's not really the look I want for her.

For myself, I have Signature Gianni and recently switched head from Catwa to Lelutka. 

I wouldn't buy a new body until I see how it looks for clothing support a year after launch. I had high hopes for Signature Geralt and Signature Alice, for example, but neither of them have become popular despite the popularity of Gianni. Its no use getting a body that no-one is going to make clothes for, unless it already fits an existing brand's clothes.

Now, if someone came up with a better body than Gianni that fits Gianni clothing, or a lower-poly body that fits Legacy clothing, they'll make an absolute fortune...

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1 hour ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

They did give free updates for all, for the product that the customer owned. The only thing that was possibly confusing was the procedure for updating to a free bundled body in addition to what you already owned.

I think they fixed that. By the time I came around to BoM (The only reason I didn't was because the skin I was wearing wasn't BoM), you would get the whole BoM body hands and feet with an update and a "classic" applier body. So I'm pretty sure they fixed that fast.

What really did it was a lot of creators dropped Hourglass for Legacy. I remember going to a few events where there was nothing for Hourglass, and not in the Freya sense where there still is, but some people keep saying nobody makes anything for Belleza anymore. There are whole events where you can only find a couple of things for Hourglass. It was already the least supported by creators at events, but legacy kind of drove a stake through its heart.

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On 2/11/2021 at 5:56 PM, Scylla Rhiadra said:

It's a little disappointing, to be honest, that the two most popular bodies by far are either meh or hugely expensive and not completely (in my view) functional. And neither is as economical or, if you like, "environment-friendly" as Slink. I don't entirely understand how Maitreya gained its dominant position in the market, to be honest, and I'm a bit flabbergasted too by people's willingness to pay so much for the Legacy bodies which, while very nice, have some serious issues.

Maitreya gained massive ground when it came out about a year after Belleza and Belleza, as if often the case, needed and update and was taking their time. During that time Belleza fumbled massively by locking down new creator applications, and very few people had the 'rights' before the lockdown.

There were some other bodies at the time that had some popularity but not much - Eve was one for example.

People were demanding fitmesh outfits, merchants wanted to sell them, and Maitreya was there.

I don't recall the order of things - if TMP was before or after this. But at first they had one of those 'sign over your firstborn child' contracts to get the ability to make outfits for them... and so that only helped Maitreya more.

I've often heard it said, and even stated it myself - that Maitreya used to or maybe even still does have some deal for being exclusive. I'm no sure on this though - if it's true, and if it was easy to get approval if you went for that - at a time when everyone else was making approval difficult - it would help explain things even more.

 

As for Legacy...

There is a very long history in SL of people blaming LLs for lag. So even when people get bodies like Belleza or Legacy, they blame LL if it causes their lag to increase.

There's also a rather long history of people willing to sign up to locked in closed down systems, despite these so often vanishing on the change of winds in the market - like the TMP HUD not working for a few years, and some other AO, Security, and Vendor systems that have just up and vanished on folks. SL users are amazingly lacking in technical literacy, so they keep getting the wool pulled over their eyes time and time again.

Sometimes products improve... I used to be very critical of Maitreya. These days I feel it deserves it's top spot because it's doing things right.

 

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On 2/17/2021 at 11:34 AM, missyrideout said:

On that subject, since I'm already armchair quarterbacking other people's businesses with no qualifications or background: The reason Slink's market share fell so fast was the BOM update. Not the implementation (although alpha layers only were confusing for many consumers) but the rollout.

Slink was slowly vanishing long before that.

Slink didn't collapse in popularity so much as deflate. Like a tire with a small leak that loses a little bit of air over time, and you never get it filled back up - after a year or two, you've got a flat.

I've not followed them enough to know why. But they haven't had the top spot since before even Belleza came out. And they never seemed to regain any 'wind in their sails' as time went on. I was not a fan of the look of their designs, and maybe others weren't as well. I just didn't like the style. BUT that doesn't seem to be enough of a reason given how we all have different tastes.

One thing to note is that among all the popular bodies out there - they all have a lot of 'smooth curves'. Be they slim like Maitreya or extreme like Kupra. They all seem to fit what you find when you see those clickbait website links with titles like '20 things prefer in women'... And slink... doesn't. Slink feels like the 'soviet woman' in comparison. And not the real Russian women, but the western stereotype in propaganda films that always seemed to be named 'Olga' and have a mean look... At least, that was my mental thought everytime I demo'd it. Various "In Communist Russia, Car drives you" jokes kept popping into my head...

 

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4 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

I've not followed them enough to know why.

I suspect it has to do with getting the dev kits. I tried once a while back.

Despite filling out their silly form and checking all the boxes, I was still denied. 

In contrast, other body makers have dev kits for free in vendors right next to their bodies. 

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On 2/17/2021 at 12:31 AM, Monica Querrien said:

If your body is not as popular, you run the chance of seeing something you really like, only for it to not made for your body. If you don't change your clothing a whole lot, then that's fine. If you like wearing the latest fashion, then that would suck.

In terms of being unique, the only thing people can own is their style. Everything else can be copied. Just because two people have Maitreya does not mean they can't be unique.

Yeah THIS 

If applying the same rule the original poster used, then all the Legacy bodies would look the same which many do now because of the veins in the breasts which are a certain give-away, and thus Legacy would look more all the same rather than Maitreya because I have made very curvy shapes for Maitreya and you cannot tell if it's Maitreya or Legacy once in a skirt.  I CAN even make the pony thighs on Maitreya.  So, there isn't that much difference.  The Legacy has more details on the belly which I like plus the hip bones on certain skins I've seen for Legacy bodies and I would love that for Maitreya as well.  A lot has to do with the skin too.  Plus, the gloss on the photos for Legacy are a dead give away as well.  

I like certain Legacy features on the new Legacy but I am fearful of the HUD being pulled if Legacy servers go down.  But, heck, if I decide to get one in the future, $20 dollars would not break me - I'd get over it.  

The best thing about Maitreya though is you can have or not have BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT just about every clothing or shoe.  Not so with other bodies.

I think LoveMomma has a chance here to do well also.  Better than those tummy talkers.

 

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The veins on the breasts are an addition and I've seen people with Maitreya use them also.  I did on my Maitreya when I used a lighter skin.  I also never use the gloss feature.  Those are all options.  I've seen more gloss since Kupra came out than on Legacy.  

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6 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

The veins on the breasts are an addition

I thought I saw on the Legacy demo it comes with breast veins.  Hmmmmmmm?  Now, I cannot remember for sure.

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9 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Those aren't for Legacy, so Legacy does come with breast veins available then.  The only time I ever saw breast veins was when I saw that Legacy had that option but never before.  

She's updated them.to BOM so they work on any BOM body.

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27 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

She's updated them.to BOM so they work on any BOM body.

Okay, just to get this correct...so the Legacy body nor the Perky comes with a breast vein option where you don't have to purchase additional veins or not?  I'm not talking additional purchases of veins...I'm asking if the Legacy or Perky version come WITH a vein option because why wouldn't I attribute breast veins to Legacy only if you had to buy something in addition?

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19 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:

I suspect it has to do with getting the dev kits. I tried once a while back.

Despite filling out their silly form and checking all the boxes, I was still denied. 

In contrast, other body makers have dev kits for free in vendors right next to their bodies. 

Yeah.

Especially in the early days a lot of brands were very 'protective' of their dev kits. Which was amazingly foolish as it just hindered their growth.

Imagine being a car maker, and you won't let any tire companies see the specs for your wheels... folks are gonna buy a different car.

I think that's gotten better now. Not in know though. But it always baffled me. If I'd been a mesh body maker I'd have been like they furry makers do it - put my body out mod and with a notecard in it that had a download to a DAE file with everything third party folks would need, and maybe even some links to learning blender in the hopes I could get more of my customers into making stuff.

- you'll notice that when a new furry body comes out, it's always like that, and they have a tendency to take off super fast and get a LOT of support really quickly. Limited only by the fact of how much smaller the furry community is.

 

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On 2/11/2021 at 4:52 PM, Nethya Emor said:

From a bunch of different SL sims, mostly just using Search and going around simhopping to gather all the data.

 

 

I can tell Ive never been to any of the sims you have, never seen one person I know with a legacy.

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