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How has the GRID MERGE changed your SL?

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There was a merger?  ...jk :smileytongue:

I don't think my SL changed? I will check my inventory. 

I did visit some TG Regions without noticing it said TG. The area appeared to be functioning normally. Mismatched buildings, broken terrain, race car running full throttle upside down in the ditch and not a Linden in sight. Just like the mainland.

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Wildcat Furse wrote:

I think that most teens would wish they had their safe 'teengrid' back, for the rest I haven't noticed any change ... :matte-motes-yawn: *meows*

If for no other reason that shock at the price differences. I toured teen grid the day it opened. Items seemed to be priced on average about 1/10th what they are in normal SL.

A few days into the merge we discovered that -most- of the land the teens had held was actually land owned by no longer existing residents, and the big Bay City PG auction kick off happened. The few remaining teens hoping to get a lot next to one of their buddies that had had one before the grid must have been severly suprised when 40,000L for a 512 was on the -low- end of the auction prices...

Sadly much of the land went to speculators who have priced it too high for the demand, or have held it for 'future investment'. Frustratingly I know some of those people and have -yet to succeed in- convincing them that the place would be better if they'd do something to move some of their lots.

 

For me, the only changes have been getting a PG lot in that Bay City area and deciding I wanted to keep a PG shop from now on. And further being a little more careful about checking what I'm wearing before TPing.

 

 

I should also warn here that asking people if they are teens -IS- an ARable offense. Technical the OPer of this thread could get suspended for asking people to state whether or not they are teens. Might be wise to edit that out. I don't think any actual SL users would want to file such an AR. I don't think most of us agree with that policy. But come Tuesday and the lindens showing up for work - you don't want the moderators smacking you for asking what is a perfectly good question to ask...

 

 

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Hasn't changed one bit. I treat strangers generally at face value - while pretty much working off the assumption that they're not who they say they are. People are liars more often than not.

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I have met more teens on the maingrid before than now and I really didnt have any problem with it. In the past, without the credit card validation anyone could enter the maingrid, so what was the difference?

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valerie Inshan wrote:

It has not. I avoid teens like devils. SL and RL.

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What Valerie said. I don't socialise with minors in RL and I REALLY don't care to socialise with them here - so I stay pretty much out of PG land unless it's for a shopping expedition.

To whoever it was who said that they felt that the initial uproar over the merge was ridiculous, I'd reply that a) just because you haven't participated or witnessed inappropriate teen-adult behaviour doesn't mean it hasn't/doesn't occur (why do I feel I'm stating the obvious??) and b) those who maybe already have come a cropper by being too friendly with teens will have been booted from SL and therefore won't trooping into the forums to tell the tale of their downfall. Or if they haven't been caught they're hardly likely to come in here to confess all. (Again - pretty obvious, I'd have thought).

(last paragraph wasn't directed at you, Val)

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Carole Franizzi wrote:

 b) those who maybe already have come a cropper by being too friendly with teens will have been booted from SL and therefore won't trooping into the forums to tell the tale of their downfall. Or if they haven't been caught they're hardly likely to come in here to confess all.

I knew someone once who was always telling me about her new Master and how incredible he was and how this was the Real Thing and one day they were sure to meet in rl and be madly in love and get married and live in a pretty flowery dungeon with a picket bondage cross. I took it with a healthy dose of scepticism (that's the kind of person she was) and she was very angry that I encouraged her to exercise a little restraint. She told me I was just jealous because I would never experience a romance like hers but that she was a bigger person than I was and she would deign to stay in contact with me anyway, because she knew how difficult it must be to be acquainted with someone who was having a grander passion than most people would believe possible.

One day she had been quiet about him for a while, so I asked after him. It turned out she had convinced him to go on voice, and been surprised by his slightly nasal twang. Then she heard a woman's voice in the background. At first she didn't know what to think - Master had always told her he was not married. Then Master shouted back, "All right, Mum, I'm coming, I'm coming!"

I laughed so hard I choked on my tea. Then I made a comment to her about bunkbeds that offended her so deeply she immediately cut me off her friends list FOR EVER AND EVER. I laughed until my sides hurt and I'm laughing again now just thinking about it. I guess I am a small person after all. We small people get all the lulz.

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You wrote: " she was very angry that I encouraged her to exercise a little restraint. "

Now I would have thought she would have JUMPED to have a little restraint :matte-motes-wink:

I spoke to one guy I met a long while ago who I believe to be an actual adult male in SL and  a long time gorean sl-ave master.   I asked if it was true, as I suspected, that the large majority of Mastahs are actually teenagers and he told me that was pretty close to the truth of the matter.

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I'm all grown up (some would dispute that) and I haven't changed anything I do or anyplace I go, nor noticed anything different. So I'd have to say the merge has changed my SL not at all.

 

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Elisheva Sopwith wrote:


Carole Franizzi wrote:

 b) those who maybe already have come a cropper by being too friendly with teens will have been booted from SL and therefore won't trooping into the forums to tell the tale of their downfall. Or if they haven't been caught they're hardly likely to come in here to confess all.

I knew someone once who was always telling me about her new Master and how incredible he was and how this was the Real Thing and one day they were sure to meet in rl and be madly in love and get married and live in a pretty flowery dungeon with a picket bondage cross. I took it with a healthy dose of scepticism (that's the kind of person she was) and she was very angry that I encouraged her to exercise a little restraint. She told me I was just jealous because I would never experience a romance like hers but that she was a bigger person than I was and she would deign to stay in contact with me anyway, because she knew how difficult it must be to be acquainted with someone who was having a grander passion than most people would believe possible.

One day she had been quiet about him for a while, so I asked after him. It turned out she had convinced him to go on voice, and been surprised by his slightly nasal twang. Then she heard a woman's voice in the background. At first she didn't know what to think - Master had always told her he was not married. Then Master shouted back, "All right, Mum, I'm coming, I'm coming!"

I laughed so hard I choked on my tea. Then I made a comment to her about bunkbeds that offended her so deeply she immediately cut me off her friends list FOR EVER AND EVER. I laughed until my sides hurt and I'm laughing again now just thinking about it. I guess I am a small person after all. We small people get all the lulz.

Okay...that is one BRILLIANT story. I just about wet myself. Can't hang about here gossiping with you, though, as my new master is waiting for me to help him with his homework.

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Hasn't changed in the slightest, as I knew it wouldn't.

/me is still waiting for the mass of child protection related lawsuits she saw a few people predicting with certainty when the merge was announced!  :smileyindifferent:

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Suella Ember wrote:

Hasn't changed in the slightest, as I knew it wouldn't.

/me is still waiting for the mass of child protection related lawsuits she saw a few people predicting with certainty when the merge was announced!  :smileyindifferent:

It has only been a few months.  It will only take one incident to cause problems.  The fact that it has not happend in the first two dozen weeks or so does not mean that much.  When we have gone ten times as long without a problem, I might be pursuaded to believe that my concerns were unfounded.  Until then, I and my lindens will remain in mature and adult areas, preferably where age-verification is required.

I have found that sticking to the mature and adult areas of SL has not been inconvenient in the slightest.  There is little reason for me to venture back into PG areas.  From what I hear on this forum and elsewhere, it seems that there is little reason for the teens to do so either.

 

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Marigold Devin wrote:


Ishy Wingtips wrote:

It's been several months since the grid merge. I'm curious to know, how drastically has your Second Life experience changed? If there have been any changes, please let me know. Also let me know if you're an adult or a teen, of course... I think there's probably a vast difference of change between the two demographics. 

An excellent time to pose this question, I think. There were so many "panic" threads regarding the merge, and on the whole I don't think much appears to have changed. I live a (mostly) PG existence, and have two 17 year olds now on my friends list.  Both are more into roleplay than most of my (older) SL friends, and they seem to both be very intelligent lads.  And both act much more adult than the (albeit few) forum folks who have a reputation for throwing their virtual dolls out of the pram!!!

I don't worry about the "legal" aspect of whether it is PC to mix with teens, although I might worry slightly if my partner inworld turns out to be a minor!!!!! As I say, I live a (mostly) PG existence. 

I have a question.  In the areas where those minors are role playing, is there any combat of any type taking place?  Any description or depiction of serious injury?  Does anyone "die" or perhaps wind up rendered unconscious in a pool of blood?  Are any references at all to anything remotely considered mature subject matter in that RP?

I refer you to http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Maturity-ratings/ta-p/700119

Personally, I think that it is complete nonsense, but the way this is written, any combat RP should be rated as "adult".  Any sim that has combat and allows teens is in violation of the maturity ratings.  This is stupid, of course, and I would love to see these ratings changed to be more in keeping with the rest of the gaming world but as written, this is how it is. 

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"I have a question.  In the areas where those minors are role playing, is there any combat of any type taking place?  Any description or depiction of serious injury?  Does anyone "die" or perhaps wind up rendered unconscious in a pool of blood?  Are any references at all to anything remotely considered mature subject matter in that RP?"



One is involved in WWII style roleplay, which depicts no more and no less than we were taught about during high school. From what I am told, on the rare occasions my younger friends tell me of particularly good roleplay sessions, it sounds like nothing worse than what can be seen on early evening world news is depicted/acted out.

To be honest, though (and not that my opinion really matters a jot), I get tired of all the contradictions in SL to be honest. But then it's the same out in real life, we have certain TV shows that must be aired after the 9pm watershed, but somehow a different rule seems to apply to certain cable channels which are showing repeats of the same programme during the early afternoon.

Grand Theft Auto was banned in UK for being too graphic and violent, but now it is for sale to over-18s, but you know as well as I that under-18s must be accessing/playing it (although NOT in my house!!)

Same in SL. But in SL, I guess we have the AR system, where if we think something is inappropriately adult and there are minors involved, and we can hope LL "do the right thing", whatever that may be. (smiley - wry smile)

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Marigold Devin wrote:

 

 

"I have a question.  In the areas where those minors are role playing, is there any combat of any type taking place?  Any description or depiction of serious injury?  Does anyone "die" or perhaps wind up rendered unconscious in a pool of blood?  Are any references at all to anything remotely considered mature subject matter in that RP?"



One is involved in WWII style roleplay, which depicts no more and no less than we were taught about during high school. From what I am told, on the rare occasions my younger friends tell me of particularly good roleplay sessions, it sounds like nothing worse than what can be seen on early evening world news is depicted/acted out.

To be honest, though (and not that my opinion really matters a jot),
I get tired of all the contradictions in SL to be honest. But then it's the same out in real life, we have certain TV shows that
must
be aired after the 9pm watershed, but somehow a different rule seems to apply to certain cable channels which are showing repeats of the same programme during the early afternoon.

Grand Theft Auto was banned in UK for being too graphic and violent, but now it is for sale to over-18s, but you know as well as I that under-18s must be accessing/playing it (although NOT in my house!!)

Same in SL. But in SL, I guess we have the AR system, where if we think something is inappropriately adult and there are minors involved, and we can hope LL "do the right thing", whatever that may be. (smiley - wry smile)

If it is a WWII roleplay, unless it takes place entirely on the home front, then it is more than likely against the ratings guidelines.  Bear in mind that any violent content, even if it is not photorealistic is Adult by LL's standards regardless if the same content is taught in schools or not.  Again, I think this is complete foolishness and the ratings standards should be ammended to allow combat RP areas in general rated areas.

But, as it is written now, the sim owner is committing a violation of the maturity ratings if there is any violent content especially depictions of " death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm, whether or not photo-realistic."   It does not matter if almost every videogame or high school textbook for that matter has the same content, here in SL such things are clearly defined as adult content.  

It would be best for LL to carefully consider the situation and make some reasonable adjustments so that teens could participate in some RP here in SL.  If previous experience is any indication however, they will just keep the silly unworkable rule in effect because it looks nice and then not bother to consistantly enforce their own rules.

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Cabbage Acanthus wrote:


Suella Ember wrote:

Hasn't changed in the slightest, as I knew it wouldn't.

/me is still waiting for the mass of child protection related lawsuits she saw a few people predicting with certainty when the merge was announced!  :smileyindifferent:

It has only been a few months.  It will only take one incident to cause problems.  The fact that it has not happend in the first two dozen weeks or so does not mean that much.

 

Carole agrees:

Wise words. It just takes one single incident (therefore one single minor involved/traumatised) for the merge to be pronounced the bad idea so many thought it might be. I wouldn't have thought it would ever get to the stage of a "mass of lawsuits" - just the one unfortunate episode splashed over newspapers and SL gets an up-dated bad reputation (well, the "game which ruins marriages" one has lost its pazzazz). Plus, as I said before, I'd have thought nobody involved in episodes will be overly eager to make sure the OP and all the rest of us are informed about it - not the "perpetrator", the victim, and certainly not even LL themselves. I'm wondering where the OP thought she'd be reading about such things? In the forums?? "I been banned and all I did was try to hook up in RL with my 16 yo sex slave"....

My habits have changed to a degree. I keep out of PG areas, for starters. However, I'll tell you what I have been seeing a lot of since I came back after my last break (which coincided with the merge) - a MASS of very odd-looking avies - tiny in stature, but with boobs, kiddie-style clothes, bend-over-and-wiggle-my-bum AOs and all hanging around sex joints. I'm guessing the merge "inspired" a whole load of people to find a way round the age-play ban by creating highly ambiguous avatars. Though boobs on a child's body does not an adult maketh.... 

 

 

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I pretty much agree with you Cabbage, it's bit too early to tell yet if the merge will have any real impact on SL . Apart from the fact that, like you I and many other people just avoid PG sims. I keep to mature and adult sims and really don't come into contact with (legal) teens at all - it makes life less complex.

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Cabbage Acanthus wrote:


Marigold Devin wrote:

 ... blah blah blah ... see previous post



If it is a WWII roleplay, unless it takes place entirely on the home front, then it is more than likely against the ratings guidelines.  Bear in mind that any violent content, even if it is not photorealistic is Adult by LL's standards regardless if the same content is taught in schools or not.  Again, I think this is complete foolishness and the ratings standards should be ammended to allow combat RP areas in general rated areas.

But, as it is written now, the sim owner is committing a violation of the maturity ratings if there is any violent content especially depictions of " death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm, whether or not photo-realistic."   It does not matter if almost every videogame or high school textbook for that matter has the same content, here in SL such things are clearly defined as adult content.  

It would be best for LL to carefully consider the situation and make some reasonable adjustments so that teens could participate in some RP here in SL.  If previous experience is any indication however, they will just keep the silly unworkable rule in effect because it looks nice and then not bother to consistantly enforce their own rules.

Again, I say ... and we can hope LL "do the right thing", whatever that may be. (smiley - wry smile).

 



 

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Marigold Devin wrote:

Again, I say ... and we can hope LL "do the right thing", whatever that may be. (smiley - wry smile).

 

What do you think the "right thing" is concerning this situation.  Should LL change their policy or simply turn a blind eye?

For the record, I do agree with you if you believe that 17 year olds should be allowed to participate in a WWII RP.  Heck, there were no lack of RL 17 year olds in WWII and many other armed conflicts even today.

Based on your previous statements you seem to have no problem with teens engaging in violent RP.  There is nothing wrong with that belief.  A 16 or 17 year old most likely is more than mature enough in my opinion.  LL seems to disagree, based on their maturity ratings.  You seem to imply that we as a community should turn a blind eye to this sort of thing as you have and allow this violation to go unreported.  That would be the easiest thing to do, certainly.  Just let it slide and more than likely it would never be addressed.  LL can have their fluffy look-good, feel-good rule and we can all just ignore it and carry on with our business.  If some jerk objects, they can AR it and LL can "do the right thing, whatever that may be" (nudge-nudge wink wink wry smile).

I'm sure that many people have no problem with this.  Anyone who does is most likely already migrated away from general lands so this is pretty much the definition of moot.  I don't really have a problem with it either since teens can't (officially) RP where I do so there is no way that any place that I have invested the time, energy, and lindens required to really get into a RP "world" will run into trouble as a result of this situation.  

I am not entirely satisfied by an ambiguious statement or two and a wry smile.  What do you really think?  Should violent content be rated such that minors can't effectively participate in RP and other combat games or should teens be allowed to access violent content here in SL?  You can of course repeat your vague statement and give us another wry smile if you want to, but I would really like to know what you really feel about this issue.

 

 

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I don't condone violence in any way, shape or form, but the type of roleplay my 16-17 year old SL friends participate in has nothing to do with combat meters, depictions of violence, rather its like when we played "best man dead" in my childhood days, a big bunch of us in different teams running towards each other with empty meaningless threats, and most times it sounds like it peters off into just another social group chatting about music and general stuff.

I had zombie shooting range, that I used on G-rated land, with a Linden visiting one day and joining in too.There was lots of blood and gore flying about when we hit the zombies with the bullets from our sniper rifles. I asked the Linden at the time if it was within ToS, and she said that was fine. Not real. However, we did remove the zombies when the neighbours in the next sim complained the zombies were floating through their walls and upsetting their customers. Different people of course have different sensitivities, and I can fully understand how alarming it is to suddenly come face to face quite unexpectedly with an ugly rotting corpse, even if its not photo-realistic.

There's a vast difference between a Grand Theft Auto type of game and the WWII (for example) roleplay in SL. And I just feel that what LL have written in their maturity ratings (the link to which you provided above), is just LL being seen to be doing something towards regulating the grid. I admit I don't know enough about this particular section to know if it ever gets enforced if an AR is submitted. As to what I think would be the "right thing" for LL to do regarding allowing depictions of violence/roleplay for the 16-17 year olds, they need to find some commonsense, perhaps be more specific about what is allowed, ie Grand Theft Auto style of urban violence not allowed, Hammer Horror/fake gore/educational WWII style is allowed.

Controversial though, isn't it?

 

 

 

 

 

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Well, Here's my story:

In February 2010, I bought some roadside land in Samoa, a PG (General) rated sim, and created a group for the management of it. When I heard that the grids were about to merge, I sold my land in Samoa and moved to Glinda, a Mature (or Moderate) rated sim. After that I looked into an even larger piece of land there to crate a Sandbox. The neighboring sim, which is Farstone, also has a sandbox which that sim is PG (General) rated.  So now there is an opportunity for teens to build in Farstone, while the adults can build in Glinda (Mature or Moderate) without interference from the Teen community, so from there thats the only really big change that has happened to me with the grids merging. :smileywink:

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