IMVU aims Second Life with an agressive Marketing Campaign

[Randall Ahren]

On 2/6/2021 at 2:14 AM, Bollycoco Dallas said:

What are you thoughts about this Second Lifers, 

Lately IMVU has this entire page dedicated to " IMVU vs Second Life" where IMVU describe themselves as "Award winning virtual world in graphics, and to be somehow better than Second Life"

its on IMVU official website made by IMVU, its a direct agressive marketing.

SL is the vastly superior product. My thoughts are that SL should immediately raise its prices again.

Edited March 26, 2023 by Randall Ahren
Posted prematurely.

[Rowan Amore]

[Kimmi Zehetbauer]

[Ceka Cianci]

IM What?

[WereBeast Alpha]

On 3/25/2023 at 7:43 PM, kaahupahau said:

Well, after 2 years I see where IMVU has one advantage:
They are either more logical, or less caring, about a lot of things.
Maybe both.
In SL, you rent space for adult content in an adult sim.
A year later, a bunch of kid avatars troops through the place.

I was shocked kiddy avatars can enter adult spaces, though I later learned that is in and of itself possible and permissable.

But they disturbed an adult RP.

And, even better, the people that got perma banned weren't those kiddy avatar users... but those active at the place I had rented.

That logic basically lets my brain melt.

That LL does Permabans for stuff that is another persons error is weird enough.

But even better, even if one would be psychic, not affected by stuff like lag and such:
Shouldn't there be just like, say, a 1 month ban to make people consider to avoid such places or to implement aggressive access regulations?
It's not as if SL's system is always 100% smooth, or always reliable. it's easy enough to disconnect and reconnect to some location one visited 15 minutes earlier because data wasnt updated.

Such self-inflicted idiocity is one of the best things going for IMVU I guess: They don't care, or behave a lot more sane and reasonable, and don't throw permabans and pretty low key accusations around.

My friends were pretty angry with me that I hadn't , basically, locked out everyone else from my place. But just because I rented a flat doesn't give me access to the land tool or whatever is needed to implement access limitations based on avatar size.

All that stress with my real life friends wouldn't have happened with IMVU. But luckily their Avatar designs are that crap that I still don't need to look there for a new place for my friends and me.

Nope, OpenSim / OSGrid is the future.

Until LindenLabs reconsiders their own policies I just know I'm not going to invest time or money, and also won't support any SL based charities or recommend it to others.
Instead, for me, it's just the technologically better alternative to IMVU, but not the place to invest time or money.
That's OpenSim from now on.

 

eh IMVU has terrible customer service mostly bots who don't solve problems and when you try to ask in the discussions topics are closed without any answer or you get referred to customer service and then it's nothing but back and forth type thing. IMVU has a teen server but teens can lie about their age without being verified to access AP. It's more of a child's game than anything anymore. I sometimes go on there to chat with friends who don't use SL. The avatars are all right but I can't seem to find my style on there without using my male avatar. 

If SL banned someone it was probably a legit reason like interacting with the child avis. 

[Hunter Stern]

They lost me at "Interactions with other people" ...

[Love Zhaoying]

29 minutes ago, Hunter Stern said:

They lost me at "Interactions with other people" ...

Hell is other people!

Online interactions peaked with AOL: AIM and chat rooms.

[Akane Nacht]

On 3/26/2023 at 8:43 AM, kaahupahau said:

OpenSim / OSGrid is the future.

[Love Zhaoying]

On 3/25/2023 at 8:43 PM, kaahupahau said:

Well, after 2 years I see where IMVU has one advantage:
They are either more logical, or less caring, about a lot of things.
Maybe both.
In SL, you rent space for adult content in an adult sim.
A year later, a bunch of kid avatars troops through the place.

I was shocked kiddy avatars can enter adult spaces, though I later learned that is in and of itself possible and permissable.

But they disturbed an adult RP.

And, even better, the people that got perma banned weren't those kiddy avatar users... but those active at the place I had rented.

That logic basically lets my brain melt.

That LL does Permabans for stuff that is another persons error is weird enough.

But even better, even if one would be psychic, not affected by stuff like lag and such:
Shouldn't there be just like, say, a 1 month ban to make people consider to avoid such places or to implement aggressive access regulations?
It's not as if SL's system is always 100% smooth, or always reliable. it's easy enough to disconnect and reconnect to some location one visited 15 minutes earlier because data wasnt updated.

Such self-inflicted idiocity is one of the best things going for IMVU I guess: They don't care, or behave a lot more sane and reasonable, and don't throw permabans and pretty low key accusations around.

My friends were pretty angry with me that I hadn't , basically, locked out everyone else from my place. But just because I rented a flat doesn't give me access to the land tool or whatever is needed to implement access limitations based on avatar size.

All that stress with my real life friends wouldn't have happened with IMVU. But luckily their Avatar designs are that crap that I still don't need to look there for a new place for my friends and me.

Nope, OpenSim / OSGrid is the future.

Until LindenLabs reconsiders their own policies I just know I'm not going to invest time or money, and also won't support any SL based charities or recommend it to others.
Instead, for me, it's just the technologically better alternative to IMVU, but not the place to invest time or money.
That's OpenSim from now on.

 

You are learning, good! Thank you for sharing your story. None of this is news to many of us Second Life users. Have fun in IMVU!

[Sid Nagy]

 

[Charolotte Caxton]

On 3/25/2023 at 9:36 PM, Randall Ahren said:

SL is the vastly superior product. My thoughts are that SL should immediately raise its prices again.

I agree that SL is the vastly superior world, I will disagree with price raising, but yeah, comparing IMVU and SL is kinda childish, I think. Second Life is a virtual reality whereas IMVU is a static chat room. And very univiting.

[Sid Nagy]

LL really should peek in, to investigate how they let new users create their starters avatar and their account and then compare that with SL's "superior" way doing of so.
There is a lot that can be learned IMHO.
 

[Ceka Cianci]

They still can't walk or run or jump or fly or ride horses or race or any of the things we can. Yet they call it a game rather than a chat platform.

Comparing IMVU to SL is like comparing this

to  this

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Ceka Cianci

[Arduenn Schwartzman]

17 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

IM What?

IM "Your Avatar Can't Walk" VU.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Arduenn Schwartzman

[Sid Nagy]

I'm not talking about the rest of IMVU (never got to that) but the way they give you a starters avatar and the sign up process are far superior to what LL does with SL IMHO.
Just my 2 cents.

[Ceka Cianci]

6 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

I'm not talking about the rest of IMVU (never got to that) but the way they give you a starters avatar and the sign up process are far superior to what LL does with SL IMHO.
Just my 2 cents.

I wasn't replying to your post.. I was just replying in general to the thread..

they are a chat platform calling themselves a game and we are a sandbox trying to get people to stop calling us one.. hehehehe

[Katherine Heartsong]

I'd be far more worried about what the Fortnight players are able to create using the Unreal engine. Have you *seen* what folks have done in these first few days of creating? My goodness, it's impressive. (Yes, it's a game, yes SL isn't, yes I get it. But can we please get tools and landscaping like that in SL pretty please????)

[Love Zhaoying]

Us: "We love Second Life!" (but complain anyway)

Them: "Second Life suxxxxxxx, This other platform roxxxxx!" (but use Second Life anyway and complain here)

 

[Katherine Heartsong]

^^ Truer words never spoken ....

[Ceka Cianci]

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Us: "We love Second Life!" (but complain anyway)

Them: "Second Life suxxxxxxx, This other platform roxxxxx!" (but use Second Life anyway and complain here)

 

It's the whole, My brother can pick on me, but if anyone outside of the family does, there's gonna be a fight.  hehehe

[JeromFranzic]

9 hours ago, Akane Nacht said:

As someone who prefers to TP more in OS, I tend to agree. OS still follows and incorporates a lot of the tech updates that LL puts out, even as the OS consortium claims to have forked itself from SL a few years ago. 

(Not to mention all of the P'ting that goes on with items from SL ending up in OS, that's its own rabbit hole of sorts!)

Can't we all just get along lol

[Sid Nagy]

2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Us: "We love Second Life!" (but complain anyway)

Them: "Second Life suxxxxxxx, This other platform roxxxxx!" (but use Second Life anyway and complain here)

 

Most of us on the forums complain about things because we care about SL.
Because we use it a lot, we see what could be handled better, what really should be improved or fixed.
Yes we like SL and most things are handled pretty well by LL, but there is by far no 100% score.

So let's continue to mention, ask, demand and discuss things that could be better and not only applaud like cheerleaders and fanboys.

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Sid Nagy
Englisn, as always. (I should put this line in my sig, that would save a lot of time for me)

[Arielle Popstar]

3 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

They still can't walk or run or jump or fly or ride horses or race or any of the things we can. Yet they call it a game rather than a chat platform.

Comparing IMVU to SL is like comparing this

Imvu did in past bring in features like voice and universal IM capability but then found it had a detrimental effect on the social aspects inworld. Consequently they pulled those features out within weeks to months. Walk, run, jump and ride horses is possible but it is something creators have to bring in as there is no physics there. It makes for a lot less lag and much easier on the computer or devices used. Imvu guages its upgrades and features much more then S/L and doesnt just blindly put stuff in without judging by the feedback whether it was good or bad. It does result in some limitations compared to here but then overall it is much more user friendly and social then here.

[Ceka Cianci]

29 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Imvu did in past bring in features like voice and universal IM capability but then found it had a detrimental effect on the social aspects inworld. Consequently they pulled those features out within weeks to months. Walk, run, jump and ride horses is possible but it is something creators have to bring in as there is no physics there. It makes for a lot less lag and much easier on the computer or devices used. Imvu guages its upgrades and features much more then S/L and doesnt just blindly put stuff in without judging by the feedback whether it was good or bad. It does result in some limitations compared to here but then overall it is much more user friendly and social then here.

 

[Adam Spark]

On 2/6/2021 at 5:44 AM, Bollycoco Dallas said:

What are you thoughts about this Second Lifers, 

Lately IMVU has this entire page dedicated to " IMVU vs Second Life" where IMVU describe themselves as "Award winning virtual world in graphics, and to be somehow better than Second Life"

its on IMVU official website made by IMVU, its a direct agressive marketing.

Right below 

https://about.imvu.com/imvu-vs-second-life#:~:text=Like many virtual worlds%2C Second,in the whole wide world!&text=Looks like at IMVU more is…a LOT more.

 

 

 

My thought on this? Its akin to a grower of apples creating an apples vs oranges webpage.

IMVU even calling itself a world almost makes me laugh. There are similarities, but they are barely at best in the same arena. IMVU reminds me a lot of Sansar.

Not knocking either one, by the way. I'm just confused by the comparison to SL - it sounds like a reach. And while graphics power is a fantastic bonus and should never be glossed over by a developer, its really just fit and finish stuff. It says nothing about your product and does nothing for one's social persona - that comes from who you are and your style choices, and features that promote social interaction. A graphics award does not even touch why IMVU is a social interaction winner. It might be, for some people. But graphics don't accomplish it. You can be better at producing social interaction and have 8-bit graphics for pete's sake.

Oh, and at least as of a few months ago - my most recent foray into the thing - IMVU being better graphically is also arguable at best.

It's all business spin designed to reach the SL audience because of the high numbers of people. Its akin to when Linden Lab heavily targeted the Facebook audience to boost numbers and put SL on steam to try and bring in gamers (SL is not a game. Yeah I'll keep saying it). That hasn't moved the needle much, assuming it hasn't actually hurt SL, which I think it has. But I digress on that.

They should be advertising their product, not posting random, out of thin air arguments as to why they are better than something else. This more resembles a shot fired than an advertisement in my opinion.