Pussycat Catnap Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Dogboat Taurog wrote: i go to clubs populated with adult looking avatars, people turning up as animals or other things just break the reality for me. in fact i think anyone who dresses non adult and goes to adult clubs tends to be a immature and a show off. Immature and show-off-ish to be a furry or a neko? If we're throwing around insults how about, by way of example; 'lack of immagination' for being stuck as a human? I can understand places having a themed dress code, but don't sink to calling people with a different sense of virtual self 'immature' or we'll all be tossing insults back and forth at each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 OP: Put on your spider avatar and go visit Luskwood. - They might like it or they might not, but you'll be somewhat in theme there, and can ask people there where you might go as a spider and also enjoy music and dance. Most likely people to know some good spots for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Wildcat Furse wrote: if I see this rule in any sl code of conduct "No Furries or fancy avatars, keep it human and realistic please" I have to laugh hard, but ok it is second life I should understand that second life is run by real people and not by cats! I read signs like that as: "Pussycat Catnap is NOT welcome here on any of her avatars, even the human one one of her alts has, since even on that she'll still feel uncomfortable for knowing these people hate her true inner sense of self expression." And then I TP away. My roaring twenties ideal has Roger Rabbit in it. Because otherwise it's got the lynch mobs, forced sterilization of native people, African colonization, eugenics theories and so on that the real one had... (and I know Roger Rabbit wasn't set in that decade... but my point is not in that particular detail.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Yardley Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Every era has good and bad sides. But still, there was a lot back then I would prefer to what we have today, a LOT. Not many of those horrible things you mentioned were happening in 1920s Berlin back then but other awful things did, we just had 3 days of riots just like in RL 1929 Berlin, 33 people were then shot dead by the police. To me reality, especially when it comes to history, is a lot more interesting then a funny, romanticized, over-dramatised, unrealistic, overly negative or overly positive view of the past. Or a cartoonized version of the past, so no 1947 Rrrrrrrrrrroger Rrrrrrrrrabbit in 1920s Berlin Mind you, toontown would be an awesome sim...:matte-motes-inlove: Either way, every sim has its own rules visitors should respect. Sometimes it is just about the theme and nothing personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charity Hollow Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Get used to it. It's their land so they can do it. Don't get so bend out of shape over it or take it so personally. I suggest you move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Jo Yardley wrote: Every era has good and bad sides. But still, there was a lot back then I would prefer to what we have today, a LOT. Not many of those horrible things you mentioned were happening in 1920s Berlin back then but other awful things did, we just had 3 days of riots just like in RL 1929 Berlin, 33 people were then shot dead by the police. Its a little less intellectually interesting when you come from one or more of the class of people who had target signs on them back in those 'glory days'. Just deleted a very long rant about how that time a lot less glorious feeling to those of whose roots suffered. The short version is that if you enforce one rule for realism in a simulation, then you leave many of us feeling the others, even if you try to gloss over them. If you were not white, and to be correct only certain kinds of white, in the 1920s, the world was a very dark, nasty, brutal place. If you come from a background who's roots didn't go through those horrors you might not 'see' the darkness that was all around everyone else. I get that you can 'romanticise' these eras and gloss over the suffering of most of the human race. But to do you kinda have to remove a good dose of the realism. Saying 'gotta be human and in theme to the locale' for me just puts my mind into that dark history again. So yeah, if I'm going to look 'back' to certain styles of the past - if I don't place something patently unreal into there, all I can see is a world of nightmares - because for 90% of humanity, that's all there was; and that's the 90% I come from. 1920s Berlin wasn't 1930s Berlin, but it was still on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Ahren Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Pussycat Catnap wrote: If you were not white, and to be correct only certain kinds of white, in the 1920s, the world was a very dark, nasty, brutal place. It hasn't changed much in 90 years. Try wearing a kippa in public in the Netherlands where Anne Frank lived. "Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes another shape and grows again." "I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." -The Lord of the Rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alazarin Mondrian Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Pussycat Catnap wrote: I read signs like that as: "Pussycat Catnap is NOT welcome here on any of her avatars, even the human one one of her alts has, since even on that she'll still feel uncomfortable for knowing these people hate her true inner sense of self expression." And then I TP away... I'm with you 100% on that. I refuse to play at human-only music venues. And that goes for the many open-sim grids which are effectively human-only ghettos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogboat Taurog Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Pussycat Catnap wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: i go to clubs populated with adult looking avatars, people turning up as animals or other things just break the reality for me. in fact i think anyone who dresses non adult and goes to adult clubs tends to be a immature and a show off. Immature and show-off-ish to be a furry or a neko? If we're throwing around insults how about, by way of example; 'lack of immagination' for being stuck as a human? I can understand places having a themed dress code, but don't sink to calling people with a different sense of virtual self 'immature' or we'll all be tossing insults back and forth at each other. i think being a spider in a human environment is the same as furries or nekos, dinosaurs or child avs, whatever, in a human environment, thats what i was saying, but dont you think you are trying to attract attention by being different? to me that shows immaturity and a exagerated sense of self importance. why choose to be something you are not? to be honest, i think its far harder to act as yourself. there is no veneer to hide behind, and the residents who appear and act human are my choice of company because they are prone to be more honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaylin Wytchwood Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Be happy it was no Baby spider Human Child AVs are even more notorious as in "Eek creepy" I find it fun, people speak out for a Spider-looking AV, but seem shrieked by child -Avs. And regarding pushing around, i would just keep neer the landing zone, till all Avs are rezzed, wich may take some time, otherwise you may bump in people you just didnt see, as there were not loaded yet for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodi Karillion Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Dogboat Taurog wrote: Pussycat Catnap wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: i go to clubs populated with adult looking avatars, people turning up as animals or other things just break the reality for me. in fact i think anyone who dresses non adult and goes to adult clubs tends to be a immature and a show off. Immature and show-off-ish to be a furry or a neko? If we're throwing around insults how about, by way of example; 'lack of immagination' for being stuck as a human? I can understand places having a themed dress code, but don't sink to calling people with a different sense of virtual self 'immature' or we'll all be tossing insults back and forth at each other. i think being a spider in a human environment is the same as furries or nekos, dinosaurs or child avs, whatever, in a human environment, thats what i was saying, but dont you think you are trying to attract attention by being different? to me that shows immaturity and a exagerated sense of self importance. why choose to be something you are not? to be honest, i think its far harder to act as yourself. there is no veneer to hide behind, and the residents who appear and act human are my choice of company because they are prone to be more honest. Your avatar is an exact replica of your rl self then? I somehow doubt it. In my opinion you shouldn't have to "act" as yourself, you should simply be yourself, if you are acting at being yourself then the whole thing is still a charade and far from honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Yardley Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Pussycat Catnap wrote: Its a little less intellectually interesting when you come from one or more of the class of people who had target signs on them back in those 'glory days'. Just deleted a very long rant about how that time a lot less glorious feeling to those of whose roots suffered. The short version is that if you enforce one rule for realism in a simulation, then you leave many of us feeling the others, even if you try to gloss over them. If you were not white, and to be correct only certain kinds of white, in the 1920s, the world was a very dark, nasty, brutal place. If you come from a background who's roots didn't go through those horrors you might not 'see' the darkness that was all around everyone else. I get that you can 'romanticise' these eras and gloss over the suffering of most of the human race. But to do you kinda have to remove a good dose of the realism. Saying 'gotta be human and in theme to the locale' for me just puts my mind into that dark history again. So yeah, if I'm going to look 'back' to certain styles of the past - if I don't place something patently unreal into there, all I can see is a world of nightmares - because for 90% of humanity, that's all there was; and that's the 90% I come from. 1920s Berlin wasn't 1930s Berlin, but it was still on Earth. It all depends on how you look at it. Berlin in the 1920s was extremely liberal, progressive, forward thinking and tolerant. I've read stories by people with "target signs on their backs" who felt like they had ended up in paradise, especially the ones who came from America. Besides who hasn't got some sort of target sign on their backs? As a white woman in 2011 I personally experience racism, sexism and even anti-semitism (even though I am not jewish) . Jewish friends of mine here in my country feel more discriminated today then they did before the war. Pretty much everyone I know feels that in some way or another things used to be better at some point in time then they are today. As an unmarried, unreligious, 'red' kind of woman I would have had a target on my back in the 1920s, just as I do today in 2011. As an historian I do not romantize the past, but don't look at it overly negative either. Every era has its good and bad sides, all depending how you look at it. Most people still think that in Medieval Europe everyone had the plague, died at age 30, had no teeth, threw their chamber pots out the windows, had pigs and chickens in their homes, women had no rights whatsoever, etc. The truth is that the 'dark ages' were not as dark as their name suggests. The 1920s were not as roaring as their name suggests either, but in much of the world and for many people these years were a lot better then the ones leading up to them and the ones following them. Yes, also for the 90%, especially for the 90%. Anyway, sorry about hijacking this thread. It is a general post about one case and I managed to stuff it with history. Sorry, history is an addiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogboat Taurog Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Your avatar is an exact replica of your rl self then? I somehow doubt it. In my opinion you shouldn't have to "act" as yourself, you should simply be yourself, if you are acting at being yourself then the whole thing is still a charade and far from honest. its impossible to create an exact replica of your RL self in SL and i'm suprised you didnt know that. i am myself in SL, given the limitations imposed. i dont think you understand what i mean by acting as yourself. there is no charade with me, i am what i am what i am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Yardley Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Dogboat Taurog wrote: Your avatar is an exact replica of your rl self then? I somehow doubt it. its impossible to create an exact replica of your RL self in SL and i'm suprised you didnt know that. My avatar comes petty close to who I am in RL, not there yet but friends who know me in RL spot my avatar in a crowd. Next step, stick my RL skin on the avatar. If I could step in a machine that makes an exact copy avatar of me in RL, I would. I don't get the whole dressing up either, making your avatar look prettier, different, or whatever. But if people want that, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogboat Taurog Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Jo Yardley wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Your avatar is an exact replica of your rl self then? I somehow doubt it. its impossible to create an exact replica of your RL self in SL and i'm suprised you didnt know that. My avatar comes petty close to who I am in RL, not there yet but friends who know me in RL spot my avatar in a crowd. Next step, stick my RL skin on the avatar. If I could step in a machine that makes an exact copy avatar of me in RL, I would. I don't get the whole dressing up either, making your avatar look prettier, different, or whatever. But if people want that, go for it. agreed. i apologise if my comments offend some people, but thats the way i think, and to stifle opinion is the thin end of the wedge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodi Karillion Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Tugboat Taurus wrote: its impossible to create an exact replica of your RL self in SL and i'm suprised you didnt know that. i am myself in SL, given the limitations imposed. i dont think you understand what i mean by acting as yourself. there is no charade with me, i am what i am what i am. I do know that it is impossible to create an exact replica of yourself in sl, hence my disbelief that you would have an avatar that does so. Therefore you are no different to someone using a furry/spider/dragon/box/child avi. You said that it is harder to act as yourself, if you are genuinely being yourself why would that be hard? Surely it should come naturally? I think we might want to try being a bit more inclusive here, and when I say we, I really mean you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogboat Taurog Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Jodi Karillion wrote: Tugboat Taurus wrote: its impossible to create an exact replica of your RL self in SL and i'm suprised you didnt know that. i am myself in SL, given the limitations imposed. i dont think you understand what i mean by acting as yourself. there is no charade with me, i am what i am what i am. I do know that it is impossible to create an exact replica of yourself in sl, hence my disbelief that you would have an avatar that does so. Therefore you are no different to someone using a furry/spider/dragon/box/child avi. You said that it is harder to act as yourself, if you are genuinely being yourself why would that be hard? Surely it should come naturally? I think we might want to try being a bit more inclusive here, and when I say we, I really mean you. i dont think you quite understand what i wrote, or just want to argue about it. if you can't honestly distinguish between a human av and a furry/spider/dragon/box/child avi then i can't imagine whats going on in your head and therefore i can't hold a rational conversation with you. ETA, i dont need to be inclusive, i can do as i like and i don't need your inverted dictatorial opinions forced down my throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodi Karillion Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Dogboat Taurog wrote: Jodi Karillion wrote: Tugboat Taurus wrote: its impossible to create an exact replica of your RL self in SL and i'm suprised you didn't know that. i am myself in SL, given the limitations imposed. i dont think you understand what i mean by acting as yourself. there is no charade with me, i am what i am what i am. I do know that it is impossible to create an exact replica of yourself in sl, hence my disbelief that you would have an avatar that does so. Therefore you are no different to someone using a furry/spider/dragon/box/child avi. You said that it is harder to act as yourself, if you are genuinely being yourself why would that be hard? Surely it should come naturally? I think we might want to try being a bit more inclusive here, and when I say we, I really mean you. i dont think you quite understand what i wrote, or just want to argue about it. if you can't honestly distinguish between a human av and a furry/spider/dragon/box/child avi then i can't imagine whats going on in your head and therefore i can't hold a rational conversation with you. ETA, i dont need to be inclusive, i can do as i like and i don't need your inverted dictatorial opinions forced down my throat. I can distinguish between them, but at the end of the day they are all just a bunch of pixels created from someone's imagination, and therefore there is no great difference between them. If you feel I have misunderstood you yet again you may want to try getting your point across more clearly. And if you can do as you like, then why can't the rest of the population? Also I have yet to force my opinions down someone's throat, it was just a suggestion, didn't realise you were going to be so touchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Yardley Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 BTW, we DO allow animal avatars, we don't care about how avatars look like, as long as it fits the theme. We had some great tiny rat avatars, cats, dogs, etc, exploring our sim. And as long as they behaved in a realistic way there was no problem. One dog was chased by our feared Police, but that was because he bit an officer in the leg. AND, we also have Relaxed Rules days in 1920s Berlin where we every now and then forget about the dresscode and give ALL avatars a chance to explore the sim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Furse Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Alazarin, I can only applaud your statement and do hope more people would do the same :smileyhappy: *meows* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogboat Taurog Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Wildcat Furse wrote: Alazarin, I can only applaud your statement and do hope more people would do the same :smileyhappy: *meows* Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Ahren Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 What about Nazis, do they fit the dress code? On February 24, 1920, the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP (The German Workers' Party)) was renamed the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Hitler assumed leadership of the foregoing organization on July 29, 1921. Mein Kampf was published in 1925 and 1926, as a two-volume work. The Nazis fit squarely within the time period of 1920s Berlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Yardley Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Yep, they are part of 1920s German History and the subject is part of the sim. But for most of the 1920s Nazi's dressed like everyone else, the few that did wear uniforms often just wore brownshirts and on several ocassions they were forbidden by law to wear any kind of uniform. Until 1929 they were changing their uniforms all the time. Nazi symbols are against ToS so authentic 1920s Nazi uniforms would be difficult as in the 1920s the swastika armband was often the only bit of uniform they wore. Besides that Berlin was not a Nazi stronghold, more of a working class 'red' and bohemian kind of city in that period, even during the later (war) years, support for the Nazis was not strong there. In the 1920s they appealed more to the rural areas and after their failed Putsh they were trying to be more political and less street fighting revolutionaries. Much of the 1920s the NSDAP was in a lot of trouble, they had been forbidden for a bit, hitler spend time in jail and up till late 1928 he was not allowed to even talk in public. By 1929, the party had less then 200.000 members in a country of 64 million people, Berlin alone had 4 million inhabitants. We have an excellent documentary style movie showing in our sim, filmed on the streets of Berlin in 1929, showing daily life as it was. Not a Nazi uniform in sight. Also important is that because we have people in uniform with actual powers (police), we don't allow any uniforms unless permission is asked in advance, to avoid confusion for guests. Of course we may consider allowing such an uniform for educational purposes in certain cases, but only if the wearer is someone we know very well and trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mila Edelman Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Jo Yardley wrote: Mind you, toontown would be an awesome sim...:matte-motes-inlove: Project number #5986 added to the list. :matte-motes-evil-invert: At this rate, we'll be building from the grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Yardley Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Mila Edelman wrote: Jo Yardley wrote: Mind you, toontown would be an awesome sim...:matte-motes-inlove: Project number #5986 added to the list. :matte-motes-evil-invert: At this rate, we'll be building from the grave. I'll make sure I'm burried with my Macbook. Pay my internet bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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