Valhallena Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Is there a section of the forums where blogs (in specific, blogs that name and shame SL companies of fraudulent and other bad business practices) can be shared? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, Valhallena said: Is there a section of the forums where blogs (in specific, blogs that name and shame SL companies of fraudulent and other bad business practices) can be shared? No 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 Oh okay, so people suffer in silence... got it. Ty for answering. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Valhallena said: Oh okay, so people suffer in silence... got it. Ty for answering. 👍 I have said before here that the existence of a reputable and transparent web resource to manage instances of in-world fraud, poor business practices, false advertising, and so forth, would be a great thing. But such a resource would need to be, as I say, transparent. It would need to establish its credibility by actually investigating such things, and also by giving creators / landlords / service providers an opportunity to respond to complaints. Without that kind of system of checks, such a site would be nothing more than another version of Virtual Secrets, with no way of knowing whether a complaint was justified, or merely someone with a grudge. Posting such things here on the forum would have exactly this effect: it would, at best, be a case of he said/she said. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: I have said before here that the existence of a reputable and transparent web resource to manage instances of in-world fraud, poor business practices, false advertising, and so forth, would be a great thing. But such a resource would need to be, as I say, transparent. It would need to establish its credibility by actually investigating such things, and also by giving creators / landlords / service providers an opportunity to respond to complaints. Without that kind of system of checks, such a site would be nothing more than another version of Virtual Secrets, with no way of knowing whether a complaint was justified, or merely someone with a grudge. Posting such things here on the forum would have exactly this effect: it would, at best, be a case of he said/she said. I absolutely agree with that. I was hoping for that kind of space, but I guess having that kind of dedicated area on the forums seems too much to ask by our "service providers". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 There is always the Product Reviews when people use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: There is always the Product Reviews when people use them. Yes, and what about when items are bought in world? Edited January 20, 2021 by Valhallena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) It's an very small percentage of SL users that visit the forums. You might have more effect with a link in your profile to your blog. You could also add your blog to your signature here on the forums. That would be the only way anyone here (if they choose to open it) could be made aware of it within the rules of the forum. ETA: At least I think that's within the rules. Don't quote me on that. 😄 Edited January 20, 2021 by RowanMinx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Valhallena said: Yes, and what about when items are brought in world? Not sure what you mean. The product review allows a consumer the opportunity to rate the quality of a product they have purchased and are not satisfied with. Within it one can rate the company/creator itself if contacting them didn't help resolve the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orwar Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 There's Virtual Secrets, of course ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Not sure what you mean. The product review allows a consumer the opportunity to rate the quality of a product they have purchased and are not satisfied with. Within it one can rate the company/creator itself if contacting them didn't help resolve the problem. Arielle, items bought in world and NOT on the second life marketplace have no platform for customers to leave a review. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) Naming and shaming is the one thing that would hurt SL more than anything else. Edited January 21, 2021 by bigmoe Whitfield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Valhallena said: Arielle, items bought in world and NOT on the second life marketplace have no platform for customers to leave a review. why you think there's the advice : demo///demo.///demo/// if no demo////dont buy ( for demo you can also fill in demo area for buildings/objects) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, Valhallena said: I absolutely agree with that. I was hoping for that kind of space, but I guess having that kind of dedicated area on the forums seems too much to ask by our "service providers". For better or worse -- and I think mostly worse -- the mantra of commerce in SL is, and always has been, "caveat emptor." That is, in some small part, a reflection of the free market libertarian ethos that underpinned the way this place was set up, but it's probably primarily a reflection of the reality that LL simply doesn't have the resources to police this kind of thing. That would eat up an enormous amount of time and money that we all, in the end, would pay for. (That's also the reason, perhaps, that no one has ever set up a web site such as I described. It would be inundated with complaint, both valid and petty. And it would be expensive and very time consuming to run.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Valhallena said: Oh okay, so people suffer in silence... got it. Ty for answering. 👍 In many cases, somebody claiming 'fraudulent' business practice is nothing more than the customer not being happy with how a particular issue was handled. Often "bad business practice" is subjective. LL just doesn't really have the time or inclination to get involved and add that to their list of things to try and manage -- which of course would also require them hiring a bunch of people to do it. Edited January 20, 2021 by LittleMe Jewell 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: why you think there's the advice : demo///demo.///demo/// if no demo////dont buy ( for demo you can also fill in demo area for buildings/objects) It's not always about things that can be demo'ed, but rather in world third party services. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Welp... I updated my profile on here and my second life profile of my blog link, hopefully that gets some attention. In all my years on here, I have never been so peeved as to pursue a wrongdoer so relentlessly, I take IP logging and flat out stealing very seriously. Here's another question, besides reporting in world (which let's face it, that seems to just get ignored often, also do you have to be around the person or their land to report them?), how would you guys go about reporting a "company" on SL that logged your IP sneakily without your consent and now uses it to disrupt your SL experience? Edited January 21, 2021 by Valhallena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Valhallena said: Welp... I updated my profile on here and my second life profile of my blog link, hopefully that gets some traction. In all my years on here, I have never been so peeved as to pursue a wrongdoer so relentlessly, I take IP logging and flat out stealing very seriously. Here's another question, besides reporting in world (which let's face it, that seems to just get ignored often, also do you have to be around the person or their land to report them?), how would you guys go about reporting a "company" on SL that logged your IP sneakily without your consent and now uses it to disrupt your SL experience? How is someone using the knowledge of your IP to disrupt your SL experience? Side note -- If you listen to music in public places, it isn't that hard for someone to get your IP. I'm pretty sure them getting it is not against the TOS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, LittleMe Jewell said: How is someone using the knowledge of your IP to disrupt your SL experience? Side note -- If you listen to music in public places, it isn't that hard for someone to get your IP. I'm pretty sure them getting it is not against the TOS. I explain it in my blog that is linked on my profile, I won't post it here cause you guys told me that it's against forum rules. No, I don't listen to music in public spaces, and yes when I read the TOS a few years ago, it was against the rules. They may have changed it, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Valhallena said: I explain it in my blog that is linked on my profile, I won't post it here cause you guys told me that it's against forum rules. No, I don't listen to music in public spaces, and yes when I read the TOS a few years ago, it was against the rules. They may have changed it, I don't know. I read your blog - yeah, lots of folks complain about that company. I am pretty sure that they do not tell others your IP, but simply block access to regions using their product by any account that is logged in on that IP. You should know that - assuming you get your internet through a commercial provider -- that someone knowing your IP does NOT tell them specifically where you live (though it might give a very general area), nor can they get any "sensitive information about you like your full government name" from your IP. Some folks might have told you that out of ignorance or to scare you, but it is not true. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: I read your blog - yeah, lots of folks complain about that company. I am pretty sure that they do not tell others your IP, but simply block access to regions using their product by any account that is logged in on that IP. You should know that - assuming you get your internet through a commercial provider -- that someone knowing your IP does NOT tell them specifically where you live (though it might give a very general area), nor can they get any "sensitive information about you like your full government name" from your IP. Some folks might have told you that out of ignorance or to scare you, but it is not true. No, not anything someone has told me but rather what I had to go through on my own with an online stalker who phished me 8 years ago (this was not someone from SL but a person from another virtual platform). The person used to send links of music and stuff, and me being super naive would just click and listen to the tunes, not knowing that he was logging where I was. Yeah, he found me, I had to get the police involved and everything, but anyway... yeah, people can do more with your IP than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 This system has been complained about for years. There is also a free HUD on the MP that informs where they largest pots are so that would explain all.the random people showing up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Valhallena said: No, not anything someone has told me but rather what I had to go through on my own with an online stalker who phished me 8 years ago (this was not someone from SL but a person from another virtual platform). The person used to send links of music and stuff, and me being super naive would just click and listen to the tunes, not knowing that he was logging where I was. Yeah, he found me, I had to get the police involved and everything, but anyway... yeah, people can do more with your IP than you think. If you were clicking links from someone, he was probably capturing far more than your IP. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhallena Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, RowanMinx said: This system has been complained about for years. There is also a free HUD on the MP that informs where they largest pots are so that would explain all.the random people showing up. I saw lots of complaints about them from sticky websites like virtual secrets but that's the issue, you have no idea what to believe from a site like that and so you just go and try anyway. This is why I think it def would be a good investment for LL to create something that helps with this. I may be a SL'er with a decent amount of years under my belt that won't get scared off the platform like that, but what about new Suzie who's been here for less than a year and wants to have her hand at using this third-party service that sounds so good only to be burned. It's distasteful and can literally send people running for the hills, right off the platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Also, most home IPs are dynamic today. So what is logged today, means nothing next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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