Help got captured by Hud

[cl0udstars]

Hello someone sent a invite of a "hug" to me and now i kinda under her powers now,she does things to my avy without any invite now or consent,how did  stop it? and its not rlv cause i don't know a thing about it so its probaly off.

[Wulfie Reanimator]

Report them for abuse and don't be in the same sim as them.

 

[Jordyn McGregor]

I would double check RLV is disabled, then under Avatar Health in the drop down menu, stop animations and revoke permissions.  And then relog and get the fudge away from that person and don't accept invites from people you don't know in future.

[Wulfie Reanimator]

2 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said:

I would double check RLV is disabled, then under Avatar Health in the drop down menu, stop animations and revoke permissions.  And then relog and get the fudge away from that person and don't accept invites from people you don't know in future.

From the sounds of it, the script has simply request permission to animate the avatar, and was granted it. Scripts hold that permission forever (without RLV) until restarted, and "revoke permissions" doesn't work.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Wulfie Reanimator

[Mollymews]

i recommend the Abuse Report also

a technical remedy and discussion about the non-RLV situation is here:

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

From the sounds of it, the script has simply request permission to animate the avatar, and was granted it. Scripts hold that permission forever (without RLV) until restarted, and "revoke permissions" doesn't work.

Yeah, this. I have a pose HUD which I have used on a friend for pics, as well as another dance one . . . and neither bothers to ask my friend for his consent anymore. Basically, I can pose his face, and make him dance, anytime I want . . .

Which, you know, is kinda fun . . .

But why is this a thing? It's a bit of a security issue, surely?

[Wulfie Reanimator]

3 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

But why is this a thing? It's a bit of a security issue, surely?

From the other thread, a link to a JIRA issue created in 2009. "Awaiting Review"

On 1/12/2020 at 5:20 PM, Whirly Fizzle said:

VWR-13228 - Object can obtain and retain permissions indefinitely without avatar's knowledge and no way of knowing who took it - possible security issue

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Just now, Wulfie Reanimator said:

From the other thread, a link to a JIRA issue created in 2009. "Awaiting Review"

Huh.

Well, I guess my friend is just going to be my smiling, dancing puppet forever . . . or until the JIRA is addressed.

2009, eh?

This could be fun.

[Mollymews]

13 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Yeah, this. I have a pose HUD which I have used on a friend for pics, as well as another dance one . . . and neither bothers to ask my friend for his consent anymore. Basically, I can pose his face, and make him dance, anytime I want . . .

Which, you know, is kinda fun . . .

But why is this a thing? It's a bit of a security issue, surely?

the permission system way back in the day was designed for people who generally share your values Scylla. The Burning Man ethos. Where innovative and cooperation between people is encouraged for the wellbeing of the people concerned. And permissions not considered as a existential threat to the well-being of the community

is trivial for a script to be written to release all permissions that it holds, at the request of either person.  Our troll chooses to not extend this cooperation to their victim

is the reason why Linden ended up nerfing a whole bunch of technical stuff that was once allowed in SL

Edited January 19, 2021 by Mollymews

[Scylla Rhiadra]

5 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

the permission system way back in the day was designed for people who generally share your values Scylla. The Burning Man ethos. Where innovative and cooperation between people is encouraged for the wellbeing of the people concerned. And permissions not considered as a existential threat to the well-being of the community

is trivial for a script to be written to release all permissions that it holds, at the request of either person.  Our troll chooses to not extend this cooperation to their victim

is the reason why Linden ended up nerfing a whole bunch of technical stuff that was once allowed in SL

Is there a way that *I* can release him? Other than choosing another victim (which seems to reset the perms)?

[Wulfie Reanimator]

2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Is there a way that *I* can release him? Other than choosing another victim (which seems to reset the perms)?

Scripts lose all permissions on reset. That's the only way for a script to totally release all permissions.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Just now, Wulfie Reanimator said:

Scripts lose all permissions on reset. That's the only way for a script to totally release all permissions.

Which I don't think I can do, because these are no-mod.

You know, the posing one isn't a big deal, because I can only use it to change his facial expression.

The dance one, on the other hand, is a couples dance HUD -- and can be used for ANY couples animations, not just dancing. That's just rife for abuse.

[Jordyn McGregor]

34 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

From the sounds of it, the script has simply request permission to animate the avatar, and was granted it. Scripts hold that permission forever (without RLV) until restarted, and "revoke permissions" doesn't work.

Gotcha!

Stand by my advice of never accepting anything from someone you do not know! 

Or @Scylla Rhiadra unless you want to be a smiling dancing puppet!

Edited January 19, 2021 by Jordan Whitt

[Mollymews]

15 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Is there a way that *I* can release him? Other than choosing another victim (which seems to reset the perms)?

depends on how the script was written

on my dance HUD script anybody else on it can type "/99stop" and they will be released. /99stop is used in quite a few other HUDs also for this purpose

if I want to release others on my HUD then there are dialog buttons Release... (a person), Release All (release everyone at once)

my script also periodically checks if a person is still present on the parcel. If they are not then it auto-releases them

most commercial animation HUDs from the market leaders have all these things included as well

 

edit add:

the way I do it in my scripts is: llRequestPermissions(my_guests_uuid, 0);

this will reset their granted permissions to zero, and we don't have to reset the script

Edited January 19, 2021 by Mollymews

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Mollymews said:

depends on how the script was written

on my dance HUD script anybody else on it can type "/99stop" and they will be released. /99stop is used in quite a few other HUDs also for this purpose

if I want to release others on my HUD then there are dialog buttons Release... (a person), Release All (release everyone at once)

my script also periodically checks if a person is still present on the parcel. If they are not then it auto-releases them

most commercial animation HUDs from the market leaders have all these things included as well

 

I'll have to check. There are definitely no buttons on the HUD for that, but /99stop might work.

Not being on the same parcel doesn't -- I've reused both HUDs several times on the same person days apart, and no permissions were required.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

6 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said:

Or @Scylla Rhiadra unless you want to be a smiling dancing puppet!

There are worse fates awaiting some in the metaverse . . .

At least I'm careful to only choose good dances.

[Wulfie Reanimator]

8 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

depends on how the script was written

on my dance HUD script anybody else on it can type "/99stop" and they will be released. /99stop is used in quite a few other HUDs also for this purpose

if I want to release others on my HUD then there are dialog buttons Release... (a person), Release All (release everyone at once)

my script also periodically checks if a person is still present on the parcel. If they are not then it auto-releases them

most commercial animation HUDs from the market leaders have all these things included as well

Stopping animations and releasing permissions are two very different things.

That stop command (if the script has it) won't prevent the script from restarting the animations at will, even if it never does so.

A script can only have permission from one avatar at a time; more than that, and you need multiple scripts or to swap between the avatars with separate requests.

There used to be a way to properly release permissions entirely, but LL broke it. (2007, Acknowledged, Unresolved)

Edited January 19, 2021 by Wulfie Reanimator

[Mollymews]

2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Not being on the same parcel doesn't -- I've reused both HUDs several times on the same person days apart, and no permissions were required.

permissions are region-wide out-of-the-box.  I just script to parcel so that if the person goes to another parcel, like the neighbour, then my animation will stop playing on them

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Mollymews said:

permissions are region-wide out-of-the-box.  I just script to parcel so that if the person goes to another parcel, like the neighbour, then my animation will stop playing on them

I may experiment with this a bit tonight, with the help of my friend.

Fortunately, he likes smiling and dancing with me, so he shouldn't find it much hardship.

Unless, of course, I choose . . . a tango!!!!

Bwahahahahah!!!

[cl0udstars]

i asked a friend that have a similar Hud of this taget capture thing,she can release me or if she gets another target the previous are free,so i gotta wait until she forget me or get another victim.I did that revoke permission but she followed me to other sim and continued doing that.

Edited January 19, 2021 by cl0udstars

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, cl0udstars said:

i asked a friend that have a similar Hud of this taget capture thing,she can release me or if she gets another target the previous are free,so i gotta wait until she forget me or get another victim.

Is she actually making you do things you don't want to do?

I mean, consent is important, regardless, but is she mostly playing around with you, or is this actually abusive behavior?

[cl0udstars]

Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Is she actually making you do things you don't want to do?

I mean, consent is important, regardless, but is she mostly playing around with you, or is this actually abusive behavior?

yes first was a hug and then she changed to sex raping me  lol i had 0 control

[Scylla Rhiadra]

3 minutes ago, cl0udstars said:

yes first was a hug and then she changed to sex raping me  lol i had 0 control

Yeah, this is what I meant by rife for abuse.

DO AR her. That's just unconscionable. Make sure you get a screenshot, and explain carefully what has happened so that it's clear that you did NOT grant permissions for that particular animation.

I'm so very sorry. That's just ugly and awful.

[cl0udstars]

1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Yeah, this is what I meant by rife for abuse.

DO AR her. That's just unconscionable. Make sure you get a screenshot, and explain carefully what has happened so that it's clear that you did NOT grant permissions for that particular animation.

I'm so very sorry. That's just ugly and awful.

thanks guys,but i dont think it will work,will be just  like sendind a nude picture,if the hud works like that  ,that i hope,i just gotta wait and evoid the places,hope that thing dont have a tracking script,,cause i changed sim and he raped me again. or was a MEGA COINCIDENCE she gone to the same sim.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 minutes ago, cl0udstars said:

thanks guys,but i dont think it will work,will be just  like sendind a nude picture,if the hud works like that  ,that i hope,i just gotta wait and evoid the places,hope that thing dont have a tracking script,,cause i changed sim and he raped me again. or was a MEGA COINCIDENCE she gone to the same sim.

Obviously, you should handle it in whatever way is most comfortable for you. But this person sounds like a piece of work.