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Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Arielle, there is evidence, at least in the case of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, that fraud was not committed, because all of those states use paper ballots, and their audits of the votes after election day constituted checking the numbers recorded by the software against a hand-count of the hard copies of the ballots.

So, unless the machines are literally destroying paper ballots, they have clearly not been hacked.

Scylla, she quotes sources from the conspiracy theorist mud on the internet. Useless to debate. Alt universe. Hopeless.

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^^^This^^^ is what scares me.  The belief that people are no longer allowed to have their own opinions, their own thoughts and have to fall in line with one narrative, one ideology.   Newsflash,

When did have a political opinion become "hate speech"?

What exactly do you expect them to do?  As with most things that are against the ToS, they will act appropriately when and if it is brought to their attention.  They have given us, the residents, the

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53 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

For some reason Arielle never answered my question about whether a candidate doing better on Dominion machines was proof of cheating. The reason I asked that particular question is one day I sat down and did some math comparing Michigan counties that used Dominion, Hart and ES&S machines.

It turns out that Donald Trump lost almost a percentage point in the balance between Democratic and Republican votes from 2016 to 2020 in the counties using Dominion machines.

He lost over 2 percent in the counties that used Hart or ES&S machines.

From the page I linked, before it seems the ES&S machines are more vulnerable to hacks though it does mention one Dominion model also having some. https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/19/permission-to-cheat-audits-cant-detect-fake-votes-on-new-hybrid-voting-machines/

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4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Arielle, there is evidence, at least in the case of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, that fraud was not committed, because all of those states use paper ballots, and their audits of the votes after election day constituted checking the numbers recorded by the software against a hand-count of the hard copies of the ballots.

So, unless the machines are literally destroying paper ballots, they have clearly not been hacked.

According to reports:

The potential for hybrid systems to add fraudulent votes without detection was identified by Professor of Statistics Philip B. Stark of UC Berkeley, an expert in postelection manual audits, in September of last year. At the time, he told TYT Investigates that the ExpressVote hybrid, which Johnson County, Kansas, had purchased a few months before the 2018 gubernatorial primary, could be maliciously programmed or hacked to create an entirely fraudulent machine-marked “paper ballot” because the machine includes an option that allows the voter to “AutoCast” the ballot without first printing and inspecting it.

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1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said:

From the page I linked, before it seems the ES&S machines are more vulnerable to hacks though it does mention one Dominion model also having some. https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/19/permission-to-cheat-audits-cant-detect-fake-votes-on-new-hybrid-voting-machines/

Yes, Areille, we know that you adore this site and it´s shady owner now., Can you please amuse us with something like "Donald Trump and the Marsian Invasion: How it happened"?

Yes, please?

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Just now, Vivienne Schell said:

Yes, Areille, we know that you adore this site and it´s shady owner now., Can you please amuse us with something like "Donald Trump and the Marsian Invasion: How it happened"?

Yes, please?

You're enough amusement for one thread :)

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10 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

According to reports:

The potential for hybrid systems to add fraudulent votes without detection was identified by Professor of Statistics Philip B. Stark of UC Berkeley, an expert in postelection manual audits, in September of last year. At the time, he told TYT Investigates that the ExpressVote hybrid, which Johnson County, Kansas, had purchased a few months before the 2018 gubernatorial primary, could be maliciously programmed or hacked to create an entirely fraudulent machine-marked “paper ballot” because the machine includes an option that allows the voter to “AutoCast” the ballot without first printing and inspecting it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/georgia-election-official-debunks-trumps-ridiculous-claims-2021-1

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Addressing an allegation made during a recent Senate hearing, Sterling said there was no evidence of election equipment being hacked. "First of all, ballot-marking devices and scanners, neither of them have modems," he said. "It's very hard to hack them without modems — there's nothing to talk to."

 

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11 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said:

Yes, Areille, we know that you adore this site and it´s shady owner now., Can you please amuse us with something like "Donald Trump and the Marsian Invasion: How it happened"?

Yes, please?

In fairness to Arielle, although she is not doing her own fact-checking, she is, unlike another poster who simply shows up to post absurd material from Infowars and other way-out conspiracy sites, at least listening to and engaging with our responses. And she's acknowledging when something has been debunked.

This is actually how this is supposed to work -- through discussion, the marshalling of evidence, and a mind open enough to recognize when one has been wrong about something.

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Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said:

In fairness to Arielle, although she is not doing her own fact-checking, she is, unlike another poster who simply shows up to post absurd material from Infowars and other way-out conspiracy sites, at least listening to and engaging with our responses. And she's acknowledging when something has been debunked.

This is actually how this is supposed to work -- through discussion, the marshalling of evidence, and a mind open enough to recognize when one has been wrong about something.

Hopeless liberal you are!

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42 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

According to reports:

The potential for hybrid systems to add fraudulent votes without detection was identified by Professor of Statistics Philip B. Stark of UC Berkeley, an expert in postelection manual audits, in September of last year. At the time, he told TYT Investigates that the ExpressVote hybrid, which Johnson County, Kansas, had purchased a few months before the 2018 gubernatorial primary, could be maliciously programmed or hacked to create an entirely fraudulent machine-marked “paper ballot” because the machine includes an option that allows the voter to “AutoCast” the ballot without first printing and inspecting it.

So, can you tell us what jurisdictions used hybrid machines? I know Michigan, that wretched hive of scum and villainy, doesn't.

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2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Addressing an allegation made during a recent Senate hearing, Sterling said there was no evidence of election equipment being hacked. "First of all, ballot-marking devices and scanners, neither of them have modems," he said. "It's very hard to hack them without modems — there's nothing to talk to."

He is being unclear there as the BMD's don't have a "modem" but do have either ethernet ports and/or wifi to be able to communicate with the Central Count System.

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2 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

So, can you tell us what jurisdictions used hybrid machines? I know Michigan, that wretched hive of scum and villainy, doesn't.

I don't know tbh but do recall something about 30 states. Is that the same as a jurisdiction in the US?

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12 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

 

 

So what do you conclude? That each and any election in the US where electronic voting machines were used were hacked and manipiulated or what?

Seriously?

OK, then I´d suggest you to join the "Rewrite History League". Best is to start the revision when it all began: 1964.

Also, I´d suggest that you learn something on the topic itself before you launch your feverish attacks. Good start is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_the_United_States

Have fun!

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1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

I don't know tbh but do recall something about 30 states. Is that the same as a jurisdiction in the US?

Not even close. Ohio alone uses thirteen different systems among their counties.

ftp://sosftp.sos.state.oh.us/free/publications/website/maps/votingSystems.pdf

And your articles are about hybrid machines, that print out ballots as opposed to scanning in pre-marked ballots.

 

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