Vivienne Schell Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said: Arielle, there is evidence, at least in the case of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, that fraud was not committed, because all of those states use paper ballots, and their audits of the votes after election day constituted checking the numbers recorded by the software against a hand-count of the hard copies of the ballots. So, unless the machines are literally destroying paper ballots, they have clearly not been hacked. Scylla, she quotes sources from the conspiracy theorist mud on the internet. Useless to debate. Alt universe. Hopeless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said: For some reason Arielle never answered my question about whether a candidate doing better on Dominion machines was proof of cheating. The reason I asked that particular question is one day I sat down and did some math comparing Michigan counties that used Dominion, Hart and ES&S machines. It turns out that Donald Trump lost almost a percentage point in the balance between Democratic and Republican votes from 2016 to 2020 in the counties using Dominion machines. He lost over 2 percent in the counties that used Hart or ES&S machines. From the page I linked, before it seems the ES&S machines are more vulnerable to hacks though it does mention one Dominion model also having some. https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/19/permission-to-cheat-audits-cant-detect-fake-votes-on-new-hybrid-voting-machines/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Arielle, there is evidence, at least in the case of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, that fraud was not committed, because all of those states use paper ballots, and their audits of the votes after election day constituted checking the numbers recorded by the software against a hand-count of the hard copies of the ballots. So, unless the machines are literally destroying paper ballots, they have clearly not been hacked. According to reports: The potential for hybrid systems to add fraudulent votes without detection was identified by Professor of Statistics Philip B. Stark of UC Berkeley, an expert in postelection manual audits, in September of last year. At the time, he told TYT Investigates that the ExpressVote hybrid, which Johnson County, Kansas, had purchased a few months before the 2018 gubernatorial primary, could be maliciously programmed or hacked to create an entirely fraudulent machine-marked “paper ballot” because the machine includes an option that allows the voter to “AutoCast” the ballot without first printing and inspecting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said: From the page I linked, before it seems the ES&S machines are more vulnerable to hacks though it does mention one Dominion model also having some. https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/19/permission-to-cheat-audits-cant-detect-fake-votes-on-new-hybrid-voting-machines/ Yes, Areille, we know that you adore this site and it´s shady owner now., Can you please amuse us with something like "Donald Trump and the Marsian Invasion: How it happened"? Yes, please? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Vivienne Schell said: Yes, Areille, we know that you adore this site and it´s shady owner now., Can you please amuse us with something like "Donald Trump and the Marsian Invasion: How it happened"? Yes, please? You're enough amusement for one thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: According to reports: The potential for hybrid systems to add fraudulent votes without detection was identified by Professor of Statistics Philip B. Stark of UC Berkeley, an expert in postelection manual audits, in September of last year. At the time, he told TYT Investigates that the ExpressVote hybrid, which Johnson County, Kansas, had purchased a few months before the 2018 gubernatorial primary, could be maliciously programmed or hacked to create an entirely fraudulent machine-marked “paper ballot” because the machine includes an option that allows the voter to “AutoCast” the ballot without first printing and inspecting it. https://www.businessinsider.com/georgia-election-official-debunks-trumps-ridiculous-claims-2021-1 Quote Addressing an allegation made during a recent Senate hearing, Sterling said there was no evidence of election equipment being hacked. "First of all, ballot-marking devices and scanners, neither of them have modems," he said. "It's very hard to hack them without modems — there's nothing to talk to." Edited January 14, 2021 by Scylla Rhiadra 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Yes, Areille, we know that you adore this site and it´s shady owner now., Can you please amuse us with something like "Donald Trump and the Marsian Invasion: How it happened"? Yes, please? In fairness to Arielle, although she is not doing her own fact-checking, she is, unlike another poster who simply shows up to post absurd material from Infowars and other way-out conspiracy sites, at least listening to and engaging with our responses. And she's acknowledging when something has been debunked. This is actually how this is supposed to work -- through discussion, the marshalling of evidence, and a mind open enough to recognize when one has been wrong about something. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said: In fairness to Arielle, although she is not doing her own fact-checking, she is, unlike another poster who simply shows up to post absurd material from Infowars and other way-out conspiracy sites, at least listening to and engaging with our responses. And she's acknowledging when something has been debunked. This is actually how this is supposed to work -- through discussion, the marshalling of evidence, and a mind open enough to recognize when one has been wrong about something. Hopeless liberal you are! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Vivienne Schell said: Hopeless liberal socialist SJW you are! Pffft. Call me a liberal? Have I insulted you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 46 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: No, they didn´t. 😃 https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/officials-finally-found-a-case-of-a-dead-person-voting-and-it-was-a-republican-pretending-to-be-his-dead-mom-to-vote-for-trump/ar-BB1c7K8K https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/13/fact-check-claim-dead-woman-voting-pa-under-investigation/6280772002/ In both cases, votes were for Trump. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, RowanMinx said: https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/officials-finally-found-a-case-of-a-dead-person-voting-and-it-was-a-republican-pretending-to-be-his-dead-mom-to-vote-for-trump/ar-BB1c7K8K https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/13/fact-check-claim-dead-woman-voting-pa-under-investigation/6280772002/ In both cases, votes were for Trump. And the only presidential candidate to openly encourage his supporters to vote more than once was . . . Donald Trump. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-tells-supporters-vote-twice-ensure-their-precious-vote-has-n1239194 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: According to reports: The potential for hybrid systems to add fraudulent votes without detection was identified by Professor of Statistics Philip B. Stark of UC Berkeley, an expert in postelection manual audits, in September of last year. At the time, he told TYT Investigates that the ExpressVote hybrid, which Johnson County, Kansas, had purchased a few months before the 2018 gubernatorial primary, could be maliciously programmed or hacked to create an entirely fraudulent machine-marked “paper ballot” because the machine includes an option that allows the voter to “AutoCast” the ballot without first printing and inspecting it. So, can you tell us what jurisdictions used hybrid machines? I know Michigan, that wretched hive of scum and villainy, doesn't. Edited January 14, 2021 by Theresa Tennyson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryanne Solo Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Vivienne Schell said: "Martian" Invasion: How it happened"? Yes, please? Why would one bother? "This" side - "That" side.... = Each as bad as one another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Addressing an allegation made during a recent Senate hearing, Sterling said there was no evidence of election equipment being hacked. "First of all, ballot-marking devices and scanners, neither of them have modems," he said. "It's very hard to hack them without modems — there's nothing to talk to." He is being unclear there as the BMD's don't have a "modem" but do have either ethernet ports and/or wifi to be able to communicate with the Central Count System. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said: So, can you tell us what jurisdictions used hybrid machines? I know Michigan, that wretched hive of scum and villainy, doesn't. I don't know tbh but do recall something about 30 states. Is that the same as a jurisdiction in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jordyn McGregor Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) DANCE OFF TO SAVE THE FORUM!!!! Edited January 15, 2021 by Jordan Whitt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: So what do you conclude? That each and any election in the US where electronic voting machines were used were hacked and manipiulated or what? Seriously? OK, then I´d suggest you to join the "Rewrite History League". Best is to start the revision when it all began: 1964. Also, I´d suggest that you learn something on the topic itself before you launch your feverish attacks. Good start is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_the_United_States Have fun! Edited January 15, 2021 by Vivienne Schell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 when posting articles, try to use nrp or ap as real sources, anything off brand I will not be clicking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said: DANCE OFF TO SAVE THE FORUM!!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Umino Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: It was one year ago . But even 10 days before the election , it was not solved : 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said: I don't know tbh but do recall something about 30 states. Is that the same as a jurisdiction in the US? Not even close. Ohio alone uses thirteen different systems among their counties. ftp://sosftp.sos.state.oh.us/free/publications/website/maps/votingSystems.pdf And your articles are about hybrid machines, that print out ballots as opposed to scanning in pre-marked ballots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Umino Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 And in september 2020 , one month before the election , it was hacked in some specific places as Georgia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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