foneco Zuzu Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Talon Brown said: I can't? You seem to be inadvertently doing quite a good job of it. Like i said im not going to bother to reply to the ones that dont know any about living under a dictatorship, be a fascist, a communist or whatever they luse to justify themselves when in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Jordan Whitt said: ^^^This^^^ is what scares me. The belief that people are no longer allowed to have their own opinions, their own thoughts and have to fall in line with one narrative, one ideology. Fascism isn´t an opinion. It´s a crime against humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foneco Zuzu Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Garnet Psaltery said: I'd be grateful if you would reply to a post directed at you (in this instance the one before the one to which my comment above was made). As for a dictatorship, well, it could be argued that we had the equivalent experience under absolute monarchies, and there are those of us who recognise the continued existence of the Norman yoke. But I digress. I already posted what i consider the definition of true democracy. When a Country has on its constitution this: Armed associations, military, militarised or paramilitary-type associations and organisations that are racist or display a fascist ideology shall not be permitted. Edited January 12, 2021 by foneco Zuzu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordyn McGregor Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Syo Emerald said: Some people in this thread would be fine with Hitler tweeting about a "solution for the Jews", because its "just his opinion". Would that be like all the anti-white people tweets floating around? You know, "just their opinions". 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Brown Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Fascism isn´t an opinion. It´s a crime against humanity. Thoughtcrime isn't a crime. Yet. Edited January 12, 2021 by Talon Brown 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 48 minutes ago, Orwar said: So, your definition of a 'true' democracy is one wherein everyone thinks the same way you do, and the moment people don't, you want to revoke their right to voice their opinions. Sounds pretty fascist, actually. Democracy has laws and regulations to protect itself from people who threaten it. What you think and what you say is your business, but if you threaten democracy by words and actions you outlaw yourself. No mercy. Democracy does not include surrender. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foneco Zuzu Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said: Would that be like all the anti-white people tweets floating around? You know, "just their opinions". You deny the oppressed to express their feelings. They are not just their opinions. They felt and still feel on the flesh all the hate from white people. Cause your skin color makes you feel protected and indifferent to their suffering does not mean you can deny the right to their indignation. Edited January 12, 2021 by foneco Zuzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 48 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said: Homosexuality or same sex marriage is always about taking away someone else's Religious rights, and as such we can't really allow it. If that is so we cannot allow you to drive your car on the highway cause you are taking away the precious space in need for my ultrafast ferrari. Which is my religion. Ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Brown Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Democracy has laws and regulations to protect itself from people who threaten it. What you think and what you say is your business, but if you threaten democracy by words and actions you outlaw yourself. No mercy. Democracy does not include surrender. Your definition of democracy sounds eerily similar to what you claim to be fighting against. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordyn McGregor Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, foneco Zuzu said: You deny the oppressed to express their feelings. They are not just their opinions. They felt and still feel on the flesh al the hate from people like you. Cause your skin color makes you feel protected and indifferent to their suffering. You do not know me, where I am from, what I believe in or who I may or may not hate. Please keep your sweeping assumptions to yourself. They just make you look ignorant. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foneco Zuzu Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Jordan Whitt said: You do not know me, where I am from, what I believe in or who I may or may not hate. Please keep your sweeping assumptions to yourself. They just make you look ignorant. I edited it to avoid making it feel like it was personal. Please read again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayke Newall Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, Doc Carling said: What do you think made it possible that HItler came to power? He was supported by a news and press imperium similiar Fox News. Um, that is not how he rose to power. He was actually ridiculed by many newspapers prior to when he took power. Hitler took power in 1933 and then after that took over the news outlets. The Nazi party controlled only 3% of German newspapers when he took power. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Reanimator Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Democracy has laws and regulations to protect itself from people who threaten it. What you think and what you say is your business, but if you threaten democracy by words and actions you outlaw yourself. No mercy. Democracy does not include surrender. Fascism has laws and regulations to protect itself from people who threaten it. What you think and what you say is your business, but if you threaten fascism by words and actions you outlaw yourself. No mercy. Fascism does not include surrender. Edited January 12, 2021 by Wulfie Reanimator 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordyn McGregor Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, foneco Zuzu said: I edited it to avoid making it feel like it was personal. Please read again. But it was personal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordyn McGregor Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 "The word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'". George Orwell, 1944. Just in case... Synonym - a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Talon Brown said: Your definition of democracy sounds eerily similar to what you claim to be fighting against. Fine, if you consider our democracies being fascist dictatorships, join comrade Xi at Hong Kong. I am sure he´ll welcome you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foneco Zuzu Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Jordan Whitt said: But it was personal. If you do believe that there is a anti white movement in America without a reason to exist, then it was personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Jordan Whitt said: "The word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'". George Orwell, 1944. Just in case... Synonym - a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close. Funny when fascists quote Orwell in order to hide that they are fascists. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syo Emerald Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said: Would that be like all the anti-white people tweets floating around? You know, "just their opinions". I actually agree. I find such statements quite problematic on a social level and they should be frowned upon in the same way other opinions of the same nature are. My comment was a response to multiple people making blanket statements that every opinion should be allowed to be promoted and spread. This blanket statement is just nonesense, because it eliminates the ability to draw a line. And a line needs to be drawn somewhere. Edited January 12, 2021 by Syo Emerald 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Carling Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said: Fascism has laws and regulations to protect itself from people who threaten it. Nice try. The difference is fascist regimes put you into concentration camps or or kill you in another way. While in democratic systems you get away with the same offense. Edited January 12, 2021 by Doc Carling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayke Newall Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: If that is so we cannot allow you to drive your car on the highway cause you are taking away the precious space in need for my ultrafast ferrari. Which is my religion. Ridiculous. What a ridiculous response. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foneco Zuzu Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Freedom is this, how we can still express ourselves in a forum, despite our differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Brown Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Fine, if you consider our democracies being fascist dictatorships, join comrade Xi at Hong Kong. I am sure he´ll welcome you. Ironically my first reaction to your post was that it was exactly what I'd expect to read from the PRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said: Um, that is not how he rose to power. He was actually ridiculed by many newspapers prior to when he took power. Hitler took power in 1933 and then after that took over the news outlets. The Nazi party controlled only 3% of German newspapers when he took power. In fact, the NSDAP party never received more than 34 percent of the votes in free and fair elections. Fact is, that right wing conservative parties and a right wing conservative president enabled them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Brown Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Funny when fascists quote Orwell in order to hide that they are fascists. And there it is. Out come the rhetorical knives when you have no other argument to make. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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