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On 1/19/2021 at 4:05 PM, Nalates Urriah said:

No one really knows. So they can't give you an objective answer. The best we can do is some anecdotal personal experiences. So you have 6 or 7 data points from the 30k to 60k concurrent users on each day. That is a really small sample.

I doubt there is any good way to tell how SL is or isn't changing culture-wise. I suspect SL simply follows RL culture changes.

There are a load of sex places that are well populated.

The Sands - usually 15 to 30 people any time of day, people are talking in IM and only some times does a fun local chat get going. Usually around the striper pole. In the porn theater people are in IM or watching the video. People do hump in public at the Sands. But we are script limited there. Add my genitals, Its Not Mine, some toys, and soon I'm getting warnings I'll be ejected for too many scripts. If I do tough it out I have to deal with excessive lag. It is better to go to their place or mine or a beach or club with low lag.

oRgAsMs - Is almost always busy. Lots of newbies. People do have sex in public.

Monica's LustHouse - This has recently changed. There used to always be lots of people there. Not so many now. They do have sex in public but it is a laggy place for having sex. For a time the LMs took you to a ground location and you had to find your way up to the lounge. I think they did that to show people the rest of places available in this region. Now the old LMs take you to the lounge as they used to.

Bumrose in Eden - This is a fun place but with script limits and a requirement to have spent some money on your avatar. The later isn't enforced. People sail or motor into the island with their boats. Lots of sex going on in public when anyone is there... typically 3 to 10 and more of an SL AM time of day place.

 

 

Thank you for stating that about Lusthouse...  It has gone through so many poor changes lately is extremely unfortunate.  Even on their best days lately there are few people there, talking much less engaging in anything.  Its sad.  Was thinking the other day I wish they would just make it the same design that it was before because that is what worked.

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well its funny I was in SL like in 2007 but in the 'old days' when we were all on the system avatars seemed everyone was humping like rabbits. Now that we have all the hot mesh bodies and looks, hardly nobody into that no more. May as well have a bible study class at your average 'adult' place now a days!

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Back in the day (dinosaur story coming...) I was a member of a BDSM sim called The Black Rose(?). It was a community type sim with active seating and talking(texting) areas as well as a more discreet dungeon and play areas. After being there a while I was invited to a private party on the sim. I rezzed in a large room with a covered center area and a ring of tables. The covered area was set up for public sex (pose ball animal skins) and those who sat around the tables were expected (but not forced) to perform. There was a host who got the ball rolling (or the roll balling?) New couplings were encouraged. Anybody could ask or be asked by anybody (everybody) else. Because we all knew each other, or at least we're familiar to each other as regulars, it sifted out the silent statues and anonymous lurkers. It was more or less an intimate but controlled orgy. On one occasion the center area offered an S shaped love seat. two fully clothed avatars sat down and the rest of intercourse happened in chat. Very very hot. Everything was said (including cat calls and commentary) in open chat. No money was exchanged. Shy people became animals. Dommes sometimes found themselves submitting. It was a lot of fun. I suspect there are still places like this on the grid, but they are not advertised. I imagine that high quality, Intimate, public group, lasciviousness is hoarded and guarded. 

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back then at sexy nude beach there was underground dungeon with many different BDSM anims  and 3-12 some beds and all that.  😁Now it became more PG and now you can see just naked avatars there.

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Maybe the human-centric adult places, but there is plenty of dark kinks out there in SL and some wildly active groups and places for various fetishes. I hit one place today and there were at least 20 avatars of all shapes and species, and at least four or five couples actively coupling in the open. Does this count as erotic expression? Not sure, but there are places where SLers are engaged in the activities to which you refer.

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On 2/6/2021 at 9:28 PM, Jackson Redstar said:

well its funny I was in SL like in 2007 but in the 'old days' when we were all on the system avatars seemed everyone was humping like rabbits. Now that we have all the hot mesh bodies and looks, hardly nobody into that no more. May as well have a bible study class at your average 'adult' place now a days!

I was and still am the more bible study class type inworld SL 😉 ,  but i did see this and been there in those areas back in 2007.

The hotter the look, the more it's like a reputation hunt - TODAY.   In most  cases it's just like at "insta" and people behind the avatar try to get karma-points and followers for their reputation and with a certain number of followers they get more jobs or gifts (or more) from creators for their work with their blog activities and else.

Really like YT, FB, insta - everywhere.

 

Question to the audience here: is it possible nowadays in SL to perform successful fashion model blog work and work f.e. as an escort in SL  with the same avatar  name, still?  i'd doubt this.

...yes, i remember the days of 2004/2005/2006 were >>  an avatar  (the same avatar) << did event hosting, escorting, teaching and fashion design and was 'featured at Business Week'... 💤

More freedom of speech et cetera in ..2004? Sure.

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I noticed it depends on the traffic like one of spots I go to just find roleplay partners is Jane's RLV Playground it always seems booming during the day and in the evenings same as HRA. These places are more of a forceplay type places that go through quiet times. Orgasms and Adult temptations swingers place is one. I know when I came back to SL in 2018 the BDSM castle was quite booming with people and also The Guild which is for Doms and baby girls mostly for those who are into that part of the lifestyle. It all depends on what you find that is fun for you and your partner. I did have a place that was big it was called City of Sin Public central and it closed down last year due to the owner couldn't afford it. Public play still goes on in these places but mostly its filled with various players who rather IM than do public play. 

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It may also have to do with a lot of people's whole families are home during the pandemic. It's harder to have sexitimes when you don't have as much privacy. I've talked to a couple of people that have said they can't get freaky because their kids are home all the time now.  

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On 1/18/2021 at 7:39 AM, Rowan Amore said:

Although your points are valid, I've made this same comment elsewhere.  If I were looking at places to rent ad boards, I would actually look around and see what kind of traffic a place had.  Personally, just seeing AFK in the name would keep me from renting there regardless of traffic numbers.  Also, when searching places, I normally disregard those same places.  Where you are in search really only matters, especially with sex places, if you're a noon looking for the "sexy times".

Sorry that this post meanders through multiple different points that came to mind when reading this topic... :)

 

Most of the 'AFK sex' joints are insanely overstocked with ad boards. But the ads in them are usually for their competitors, who in turn have ads for them... It all just feels like pointless spam.

I used to see people nude in SL all the time a decade ago - just about everywhere. Particularly when the Gorean scene was big so it was a kind of nudity that really bothered me - someone on a leash. BDSM folks can say all they want but 'slave RP' to me is about as tasteful as 'WW2 German 'camp RP''...

Since I first got in SL most 'nudist' and 'sex' venues have been full of AFKers on the landing point perving the few folks brave enough to walk in. Kind of like RL nude beaches tend to be anywhere public access is available. Back before the internet at least there'd be 50 guys on the top of the hill with high end cameras for every one nudist down on the beach. Seriously off putting.

 

I have a membership at Teq's. When she first started (or at least when Zindra opened) I was actually one of if not her actual first regular but that was a very long time ago and I doubt remembered. When I've gone in recent years I felt very out of place when not dressed. It looked more like I always imagined 'Franks' does. Before I got my 2080 RTX nVidia GPU, Teqs would usually crash my system after a few minutes so I didn't give it enough time to see.

I've long been wanting to know where some active places that I could 'be me' in might be, but rarely been able to find them.

 

And yeah, I'm NOT looking to go to some place and do 'erotic RP' in IMs, even though I was an erotica writer long before I came to SL.. I'm very visually triggered and when I go to one of these places I want to enjoy my avatar and those visuals...

(which is what makes some of the 'free sex' joints like Orgasms so unappealing - there is nothing more annoying than a bloke on a badly done avatar hoping onto your avatar. Like... at least make the skin tone of your prop match your body, and at least remove your clothes. You're not the only one there for some eye candy, so stop feeding me rotten onions).

...to that end, I also don't want to know the folks I'm engaged with... and that seriously limits my options in these venues. Don't need clingy people trying to get personal with me.

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On 3/11/2021 at 2:31 PM, animats said:

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Kama City Municipal Park, Bronlen, Zindra continent. Due to lack of interest...

That sign has been there for years and is actually not correct to what happened. There was a massive amount of drama... and the linden that was hosting things basically gave up on all the idiots... Most of the drama was over which resident was the legitimate "official resident" allowed to speak for everyone else and dictate to that Linden what the law will be... it was... that stupid... But those meetings were crowded with stupidity up until the day they stopped happening.

 

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On 3/11/2021 at 5:31 PM, animats said:

Kama City Municipal Park, Bronlen, Zindra continent. Due to lack of interest...

As @Pussycat Catnap mentioned, this isn't quite what it seems. There was so much drama in those meetings because they were part of a huge and painful transition for everybody involved even tangentially with Adult content creation and use. All such content and activity, which had been spread widely across Mature regions, had to move to newly categorized Adult regions. For the Mainland, that meant concentrating in the brand new Zindra continent, where those meetings were held. There were many very unhappy people -- some with grand and particular ambitions.

Had there really been a "lack of interest" in those dreadful meetings, that would have signified good things for Adult Content in SL.

It feels strange even now to have gotten this deep in a thread about Adult Content without somebody bemoaning, still, the eXXXile to Zindra.

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8 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

That sign has been there for years and is actually not correct to what happened. There was a massive amount of drama... and the linden that was hosting things basically gave up on all the idiots... Most of the drama was over which resident was the legitimate "official resident" allowed to speak for everyone else and dictate to that Linden what the law will be... it was... that stupid... But those meetings were crowded with stupidity up until the day they stopped happening.

Oh. good to know. Early Zindra apparently had a lot of drama before my time. I gather that the Zindra Help Vortex had the same problem. Here and there I've come across artifacts of the early days; the Zindra Alliance, which was sort of a Chamber of Commerce, a tower with a giant Z shape with announcements for long-ago events, and the now-empty mall in Mosh. 

I came in long after that. I bought land in Kama City, rather cheaply, thinking that a motorcycle shop should be in an urban adult area, like real life. I was wrong, but there's no real downside, so I haven't moved.

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1 hour ago, animats said:

Oh. good to know. Early Zindra apparently had a lot of drama before my time. I gather that the Zindra Help Vortex had the same problem. Here and there I've come across artifacts of the early days; the Zindra Alliance, which was sort of a Chamber of Commerce, a tower with a giant Z shape with announcements for long-ago events, and the now-empty mall in Mosh. 

I came in long after that. I bought land in Kama City, rather cheaply, thinking that a motorcycle shop should be in an urban adult area, like real life. I was wrong, but there's no real downside, so I haven't moved.

Anyway, most adult places I go to aren't on mainland.  Most popular, "upper scale" adult venues are on private adult rated regions.  My own home is on Horizons which has an adult rating although still considered mainland and near Zindra.

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35 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Anyway, most adult places I go to aren't on mainland.  Most popular, "upper scale" adult venues are on private adult rated regions.  My own home is on Horizons which has an adult rating although still considered mainland and near Zindra.

I have such complicated feelings over Horizons.

I've had land there, I think just once but maybe twice. The nature of the neighbor I had while I lived there makes me suspect that after Jan 6th, he might be in federal lockup and so no longer have his spot there...

It's basically a prototype upon which Bellisseria was modeled, but the things it lacks have caused a mess.

So much potential, so squandered. I feel for the moles that clearly put in a lot of hard work making some amazingly beautiful locations only to have everything go so wrong once the land barons and 'I <3 banlines' folks showed up...

 

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On 2/17/2021 at 5:09 AM, Panteleeva said:

back then at sexy nude beach there was . . . Now it became more PG and now you can see just naked avatars there.

One of the reasons I stopped being a regular at 'sexy nude beach' almost a decade ago was that there was almost never anything sexy or nude and there was so much ad-board spam I couldn't find the beach... ;)

 

 

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On 3/13/2021 at 6:34 AM, Pussycat Catnap said:

That sign has been there for years and is actually not correct to what happened. There was a massive amount of drama... and the linden that was hosting things basically gave up on all the idiots... Most of the drama was over which resident was the legitimate "official resident" allowed to speak for everyone else and dictate to that Linden what the law will be... it was... that stupid... But those meetings were crowded with stupidity up until the day they stopped happening.

This is what killed pretty much all Linden resident collaborations aside from the dry technical ones, that and Linden tourism, Pokémon and manipulation.

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5 hours ago, halebore Aeon said:

I think it has come down to, a lot of people are getting tired of pixel bumping. I am one of them.

It comes and goes.

I spent about 3 or 4 years in SL in strict 'G rated' mode after the mood for that stuff went. Had a great plot of land on a G region too that I still miss the landscaping for...

But in the end, SL is the perfect medium for this kind of thing. Basically interactive user-driven / designed exploitation free XXX entertainment. Something I had imagined would have been in higher demand during the pandemic than it seems to have been.

 

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Just now, Pussycat Catnap said:

It comes and goes.

I spent about 3 or 4 years in SL in strict 'G rated' mode after the mood for that stuff went. Had a great plot of land on a G region too that I still miss the landscaping for...

But in the end, SL is the perfect medium for this kind of thing. Basically interactive user-driven / designed exploitation free XXX entertainment. Something I had imagined would have been in higher demand during the pandemic than it seems to have been.

 

For you maybe, but for a lot of us we don't like pixel bumping. It has nothing to do with being in the mood, there is just a group of us. That don't get off on things like that.

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