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I never thought about this before.

 But now as My partner is losing the use of her hands do to MD.  Voice is becoming  a big deal

 We have gone to so many Linden events  and no voice  is enabled on Linden Labs premium users places.

Pissed her off enough to drop her premium  account.

 What saddens me is  we are all Lindens in here  of all shapes.  So starting a private voice is OK.

but when others want to be part of stuff.

 Does anyone remember learning the viewer  some one  voices loud you can turn them down.

 Some one wants quiet you can turn  stuff down.

I my self have had many events through the years a performer wants voice off. I know they have no clue

how to use a viewer I teach them you can control the whole environment.

So why is Linden Labs admin acting like Trump.

 Take our voice away not teach people how to use the viewer.

 So you all hate people with disabilities.

This is proven everyday at every event .

 I am sad.

I am sure there are many people that will say mean things to this post.

 Oh well used to it. I am a short bus person friend.

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Voice on or voice off, someone will always be unhappy.  It's not that non-voice users don't know HOW to use the viewer.  If it's all text, almost everyone can read it and keep up with what's going on.  If 1/2 the people voice, those who don't miss everything that is said.  I guess Linden Lab has chosen which they feel would encompass the majority of participants.  Most times, having both going on doesn't work out so well.

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You really need to look up what "freedom of speech" actually means, because you are currently not making any sense. Voice being disabled at an event is not an infringement on your rights. The rest of your text is... really weird.

10 hours ago, Drakeo said:

What saddens me is  we are all Lindens in here

No we aren't. That term refers to employees of Linden Lab.

10 hours ago, Drakeo said:

Take our voice away not teach people how to use the viewer.

This has nothing to do with teaching people how to use the viewer or that anyone but you is unable to properly use their viewer (what a narcistic view). Uncontrolled voice at big events is disturbing and anoying. There is more to it than just people being "too loud". 

10 hours ago, Drakeo said:

So you all hate people with disabilities.

You do realize that some disabilities may prevent people from using voice and that they are by default excluded from any conversation that happens in voice only? By your logic, that would be hating them.

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16 hours ago, Drakeo said:

I am sure there are many people that will say mean things to this post.

Here’s mine: they may lack the manpower to watch that voice isn’t abused.

 

(Sorry if it isn’t mean enough for you. Reverse psychology is so 1990’s, it’s uninspiring)

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I'm going to come out of my quiet little corner and ask - Why not just use a second party chat program that utilizes voice? For years, in the past, a  good number of us used skype because of problems trying to get SL voice to work, and because, as mentioned, at certain events voice wasn't allowed.  There's (especially these days) several free ones to choose from, and they're all pretty easy and basic to get set up. Also if anything should happen, like an SL log in issue or random server issues causing some emergency down time,  you still have voice to communicate with. 

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Second Life voice got more stable over the years it doesn't go down as much as it used to I'm dyslexic so I can't really read and write very well I use software to help me with that it would be nice if there was something in Second Life it can read text out to me so I don't have to copy and paste it into something 

also have controls for it where you can pick which channel you want to listen to

also voice to text would be a nice feature one day to

also an option to select text and have it read out to you would be nice as well

I don't expect this to happen but I'm throwing it out here anyway

these features will also be useful for people are partially blind

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At the meetings in the past they have voice on  a person that had a disability their  friend spoke for them ahead of time and voiced for the person. Yes, it's a good idea to get hold of them before any meeting or event so they can work something out.

 

The only problem when they have trolls on voice that keep making noises or are rude is yes they could kick off the sim or vanish them for a day of discipline.

 

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On 1/4/2021 at 11:26 PM, Drakeo said:

So you all hate people with disabilities.

Car manufacturers hate people with the following disabilities with a passion too: blindness, handlesness, feetlesness, dizziness. And the company that makes Jawbreakers hates people with no teeth. My grocery store hates people who are financially challenged. Airplane manufacturers hate just about everyone with legs and feet. Yes, it's a hard cold world out there.

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On 1/4/2021 at 10:26 PM, Drakeo said:

So why is Linden Labs admin acting like Trump.

???

On 1/4/2021 at 10:26 PM, Drakeo said:

So you all hate people with disabilities.

I do not think that your frame of mind surrounding how you talk to others will allow you to make progress towards helping your partner.

Might I remind you that a human being is going to read what you wrote.

It might help you to follow the principle of Hanlon's Razor, ie. "Assume ignorance before malice" - you might find people are more receptive of your concerns.

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On 1/4/2021 at 5:26 PM, Drakeo said:

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That has got to be the worst bug report / accessibility feature request I have ever read. 

How about this.

  1. Take all that gump and stow it.
  2. Open a new feature on the second life JIRA - https://jira.secondlife.com/
  3. Examine the current system and identify how, specifically, technically, it is failing you.
  4. Propose a clear and actionable solution.
  5. Do not attack anyone in the process.

Accessibility is important. Approach it seriously and you will get serious responses.

Putting things carefully and concisely in writing gives everyone involved a point of reference. 

 

As for landowners disabling voice at events, I'm sure you can appreciate that it only takes one disruptive jerk shouting obscenities' (or far worse) for land owners to solve the problem the only way they can. Voice griefing is one of the things that killed the club scene on There.com back when that was a thing, random dudes would show up and read child porn.

Again, this can have a technical solution and those affected by griefers on voice should use the steps above to detail the problem and request meaningful per parcel moderation features from LL.

 

As an alternative to being "silenced", we do live in a world where TTS software is a thing.

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On 1/4/2021 at 5:26 PM, Drakeo said:

 Oh well used to it. I am a short bus person friend.

Great. Now my shoulder devil and shoulder angel are in wrestling match that may turn into a knife fight as I mull replying to this.

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On 2/4/2021 at 10:15 AM, LittleMe Jewell said:

Has anyone noticed how the OP never returned in the last month for any additional commenting on his own thread?

This sort of thing is normal for the OP.

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As to the thrust of this thread ....

There are options and systems in place that can be used on an OS level, some with greater success than others.

I've got some rather severe visual impairments, I do what I can to compensate for them.

Oh yes and as to the title? You have no Freedom of Speech here. None. At all. Freedom of Speech applies solely to Government entities.

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On 1/4/2021 at 5:26 PM, Drakeo said:

I never thought about this before.

 But now as My partner is losing the use of her hands do to MD.  Voice is becoming  a big deal

 We have gone to so many Linden events  and no voice  is enabled on Linden Labs premium users places.

Pissed her off enough to drop her premium  account.

 What saddens me is  we are all Lindens in here  of all shapes.  So starting a private voice is OK.

but when others want to be part of stuff.

 Does anyone remember learning the viewer  some one  voices loud you can turn them down.

 Some one wants quiet you can turn  stuff down.

I my self have had many events through the years a performer wants voice off. I know they have no clue

how to use a viewer I teach them you can control the whole environment.

So why is Linden Labs admin acting like Trump.

 Take our voice away not teach people how to use the viewer.

 So you all hate people with disabilities.

This is proven everyday at every event .

 I am sad.

I am sure there are many people that will say mean things to this post.

 Oh well used to it. I am a short bus person friend.

Drakeo Resident

Even though the First Amendment isn't a level of free speech a private company is required to maintain (there is often confusion about this), I still think you are talking about a basic right of virtual life, the right to speak and be heard if you are disabled. It seems to me it's a necessity and the company should try to make affordances.

In RL, government sites adapt to the disabled and provide sign language and enhanced audio and visual. In RL, private companies also try to provide for the disabled, sometimes by law, sometimes because they want to be good corporate citizens.

I think the Lindens do care about the disabled but they also have to run events without being griefed and harassed by the clueless with their gestures and such. I find most of their events in fact are Voice except the office meetings. So the first thing is to make an inventory of their events without Voice and say, hey, can you rethink some of this?

I don't turn Voice on because it lags my game unless I absolutely have to. And one thing I've noticed about at least the Linden interviews done by Strawberry, and also some things like Draxtor's Book Club, is that especially if you can't get on that laggy sim, and don't have or want Voice, you can go on YouTube where they stream it. Then you can hear it via YouTube and come back and listen later also.

It seems to me that Lindens should provide a dedicated space at events, perhaps parcel off a section if they fear griefers and such, and allow disabled folks to go in there and have voice. Would that be hard to do? No. 

 

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I used to have a friend who used some kind of voice-to-text application to communicate in Second Life. I have no idea how they did it but they had a pretty active Second Life. It made mistakes of course but in general they could make themselves understandable. I am sure technology has advanced since then and gotten better. This might be a solution to look into.

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The OP is very much an "I want..." and "you're a bad, stupid, hater if you don't give it to me" piece. Ever wonder where people learn to think that way?

Where do people get this "I am a victim" mentality? Jules, just above, mentions what non-victim, creative, challenged people do.

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On 2/8/2021 at 8:37 AM, Nalates Urriah said:

The OP is very much an "I want..." and "you're a bad, stupid, hater if you don't give it to me" piece. Ever wonder where people learn to think that way?

Where do people get this "I am a victim" mentality? Jules, just above, mentions what non-victim, creative, challenged people do.

I agree. 

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I rarely use voice. And it can get messy sometimes, at the "Who said that!" level. Which is why one place I frequent keeps it switched off.

But the Digital Cultures project did work out answers. It partly depended on the people involved being polite and civilised. Voice users and text users were able to work together.

Digital Cultures is winding down, people concentrating on the RL Academic side. The meetings worked pretty well. On what I have seen over the years, they're in a different world to Linden Lab.

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