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My friend is thinking of getting Legacy but is a little put off by the lack of demo. She said she likes its shape but she only knows the same via the Regalia body so I'm not sure if they're the same. I think most of her avatars are kind of svelte. She says she hates Maitreya's shoulders.

I have heard there are problems with Legacy so I was wondering what they were and of Legacy is recommended, on her behalf.

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17 minutes ago, Rumancekk said:

My friend is thinking of getting Legacy but is a little put off by the lack of demo. She said she likes its shape but she only knows the same via the Regalia body so I'm not sure if they're the same. I think most of her avatars are kind of svelte. She says she hates Maitreya's shoulders.

I have heard there are problems with Legacy so I was wondering what they were and of Legacy is recommended, on her behalf.

I'm going to say, I recently upgraded and got the female Legacy body and personally I love it versus the Regalia and Maitreya. And on the regards of the body having issues, I personally have not run into any, if at worst case scenario, she can join the "Legacy Lovers" group in SL and just go into the group chat function and ask about issues or problems. :)

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Here, 3 demos:https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/219949

The first meshbody that's only called Legacy, then Legacy perky with different breasts and Legacy pregnancy.

It is much better to order them from the MP and try them at home in peace and quiet, then go to the store if you decide to buy.

It has been a sale, 2500 for the bodies instead of 5000. The sale should end Dec. 31. Sometimes a sale is prolonged, I have no idea if this is. I do not follow them on social media.

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Legacy does have demos at the store. Have her search around again for them. I can only speak from personal experience and opinion, but I love my Legacy body, and have been wearing one full time for almost a year. I paid full price for it, and have not regretted the decision as it fixed a lot of my issues I had with other bodies. I won't say it didn't come with some issues initially ( neck not fitting head, visible slices in the body at high altitudes), but they released updates to fix the slices and Lelutka's universal neck fix makes my head/body connection seamless. Not a fan of alpha hide part of the hud. I'd rather have the hud be bigger so I don't have to spend an age turning my avatar around just fix my pesky armpits, but  that's me being nitpicky. On a whole, I've had a very positive experience, and will continue to use my Legacy perky until there is one that looks as good but lower complexity.

 

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I been using mine alot more often. ( got both the legacy and the perky ). as far as issues. the Skin Hud can be a tad dodgy and can take a while to come up. and if the region your on is laggy, using the alpha can be a pain, specially if you have to alpha the back areas.

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Just now, Sorciaa said:

I been using mine alot more often. ( got both the legacy and the perky ). as far as issues. the Skin Hud can be a tad dodgy and can take a while to come up. and if the region your on is laggy, using the alpha can be a pain, specially if you have to alpha the back areas.

It is best to have the body set to BoM and only use alpha layers.

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34 minutes ago, Marianne Little said:

Here, 3 demos:https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/219949

The first meshbody that's only called Legacy, then Legacy perky with different breasts and Legacy pregnancy.

It is much better to order them from the MP and try them at home in peace and quiet, then go to the store if you decide to buy.

It has been a sale, 2500 for the bodies instead of 5000. The sale should end Dec. 31. Sometimes a sale is prolonged, I have no idea if this is. I do not follow them on social media.

i have been duped, she told me she couldn't find any demos lol

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1 hour ago, Rumancekk said:

i have been duped, she told me she couldn't find any demos lol

I'd recommend it unless she's concerned with triangles and all that which I am not.  To me, it looks the "softest" of all the bodies if that's the right word.  I have had no issue with it whatsoever.  The only thing I use the HUD for is foot height and alphas if needed so no problem with that either.

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3 hours ago, Rumancekk said:

She says she hates Maitreya's shoulders.

On certain animations ALL the bodies can look terrible in the shoulders.  It's the animation and not always the body.  The armature can only do so much when it's animated like a doll; the armature of the mesh bodies is not like human armature as it has no joints like humans do.  So, no matter what body, adjust the shoulder width as needed, as some slump can be cured a bit on the mesh bodies by having a wider shoulder but not all.  

The answer regarding problems with Legacy as per your OP.  The problem was mostly NO free updates for the body, not even for BOM.  Maitreya for instance has a petite add-on for 599 lindens I think it is while with Legacy you have to buy a full body perky for 5000 lindens.  Again, with Maitreya and BOM - free updated BOM body at no cost with Maitreya; Legacy you had to pay another 5000 Linden for a BOM Legacy body.  That was part of it.  

Prior to BOM, the HUD had to work via the MEDIA area and it was extremely lag-intense.  I'm not sure how the HUD works now.  There were other issues as well which can be found by googling Second Life Legacy Body vs Maitreya Body for example.  That should pull up some of the old threads.  However, it is what you love ultimately or she loves that will matter.  

The bum from behind has a pretty big gap as do the legs so be sure to try on a demo.  There are things I like about Legacy and things I don't.  The gaps at the base of the bum and the leg gap are the most I don't like.  I would not want to pay for any updates at 5000 linden each time either.  

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3 hours ago, Marianne Little said:

It is best to have the body set to BoM and only use alpha layers.

Agree about BoM. Unless someone is using some extra body shine there's nothing of importance in the web-based portion of the HUD, only skins and nail colors. 2 other tabs are just the usual non web-based hud, so it works more or less the same as any other body HUD does.

Alpha layers is not very viable solution to say the least, unless you got too much time on your hands to make own alphas, or wear the most basic clothes like jeans and tube tops. The more unique clothing is the more unique alpha for it, and out of stores I shop at regularly only two provide matching alphas for their clothes. One of those two does that because her latest few releases just can't work with any body's alpha, all older releases there don't have an alpha included either.

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As for the body itself. It's okay after the last round of fixes that "mostly" fixed the seams on high altitude. There are still some left, but nothing terrible like before. Shoulders are better than maitreya's, but worse than belleza's in my opinion. They still didn't releases a nail kit for creators after 1.5+ years, so that's a downside if someone likes a fancy nail polish for the short nails; for the long there are tons of bento nails to choose from.

7 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

The problem was mostly NO free updates for the body, not even for BOM.

Incorrect. As much as I don't like the company behind legacy - bom update was completely free. The old TMP body is not legacy if you meant that by not having a free update; it's completely different (and way worse) body. Perky fact is true, and considering that perky got a "perky petite" upgrade later on they absolutely could do the perky chest addon for the base body, if they wanted to, but they went with "another 5k purchase" route.

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1 minute ago, steeljane42 said:

Incorrect. As much as I don't like the company behind legacy - bom update was completely free

Well, I'd have to take your word for it because that's not what I heard AND seen typed right here on this forum, and I know people who dropped the body because of no free update to BOM because they did not want to pay another 5K for BOM updated Legacy Body.  I've never owned the body, so I cannot confirm one way or the other.  

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2 hours ago, FairreLilette said:

Well, I'd have to take your word for it because that's not what I heard AND seen typed right here on this forum, and I know people who dropped the body because of no free update to BOM because they did not want to pay another 5K for BOM updated Legacy Body.  I've never owned the body, so I cannot confirm one way or the other.  

There was no extra charge for the Legacy BOM update.  In fact, the old TMP classic which is or was (not sure if it's still the same) 1L, is also updated to BOM and has updated bento hands.  

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It's fine if you can get it for the 2500L sale price. I would not pay full price for it. Maitreya still has a lot more clothing options so you really need to factor that in especially if your style preferences run to anything that isn't completely mainstream. The HUD can be really laggy which is a nuisance and it requires you to have all your media settings turned on to use.

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2 minutes ago, Stephanie Misfit said:

It's fine if you can get it for the 2500L sale price. I would not pay full price for it. Maitreya still has a lot more clothing options so you really need to factor that in especially if your style preferences run to anything that isn't completely mainstream. The HUD can be really laggy which is a nuisance and it requires you to have all your media settings turned on to use.

The media only needs to be turned on to use the skin tab or to turn on BOM.  Also, if you have any old content from TMP you would want to use.  The other tabs on the HUD do not require media on.  It is also not laggy at all in my experience.

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3 hours ago, RowanMinx said:

There was no extra charge for the Legacy BOM update.  In fact, the old TMP classic which is or was (not sure if it's still the same) 1L, is also updated to BOM and has updated bento hands.  

I'm wondering if that is how it was in the beginning because a forumite, a regular user, said she wasn't going to use the Legacy body anymore because they were going to charge 5K for the update to BOM.  My answer was "oh, throw that to the curb already" after I had heard so many negative things about Legacy from the forum in a thread that was over 200 pages long; I couldn't stand seeing somebody taken for 5K after all "the other things".  And, the thread went completely silent.  No one said a thing that one did not have to pay 5K for the BOM update until now, many months later.  This has turned a lot of people off (among other things) this having to pay another 5K for a BOM update.  But, again, the forum was entirely silent at that time.

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2 hours ago, FairreLilette said:

I'm wondering if that is how it was in the beginning because a forumite, a regular user, said she wasn't going to use the Legacy body anymore because they were going to charge 5K for the update to BOM.  My answer was "oh, throw that to the curb already" after I had heard so many negative things about Legacy from the forum in a thread that was over 200 pages long; I couldn't stand seeing somebody taken for 5K after all "the other things".  And, the thread went completely silent.  No one said a thing that one did not have to pay 5K for the BOM update until now, many months later.  This has turned a lot of people off (among other things) this having to pay another 5K for a BOM update.  But, again, the forum was entirely silent at that time.

Maybe what you remember is people complaining that they came out with an entirely NEW body instead of just updating the older TMP body.  The NEW Legacy body, in my opinion, is superior to the old one.  The hud is definitely better.  I do recall when the Legacy first came out that people who owned the old TMP could purchase the Legacy at 1/2 price.

I think the new Legacy is what you're thinking was an update but it was an entirely new body/hud.

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2 hours ago, FairreLilette said:

I'm wondering if that is how it was in the beginning because a forumite, a regular user, said she wasn't going to use the Legacy body anymore because they were going to charge 5K for the update to BOM.

There was no 5K BoM update charge for Legacy, and there never was. What you probably saw was someone volubly stating in one of the "why the hell would anyone buy Legacy?" threads that they would not pay 5k for a Legacy body, because they saw Legacy as "just a BoM update to the old TMP body", when in fact it is an entirely different body. The only thing that could even remotely be classed as a so-called "BoM update to the old TMP body" is the 'Classic' body, (which, incidentally, could also remotely be classed as a so-called "Bento hands update to the old TMP body"), but even that was a re-working of the old TMP body; it wasn't just the old TMP body with BoM and Bento ability slapped onto it. The 'Classic' body is the one that currently costs L$1.

This kind of mistaken "X is just an update to Y" insistence is why I have on occasion had to spend upwards of an hour patiently explaining to certain very insistent individuals that no, they cannot have a Bento or HDPRO head for free just because "it's only an update" to their old, completely different non-Bento head purchase from several years ago.

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The problems with the Legacy mainly boil down to two things: how render-heavy it is, and how incredibly awful the HUD is.

Regarding point 1, the body's almost 8 times as polygon-heavy as the Maitreya, which means you will cause lower FPS for others around you, or at least, those with older computers. I wore it a few times for private encounters, and we had two wait almost five minutes for me to fully render to my poor friend. Meanwhile, the usual bodies I use were nearly instant.

Regarding point 2, well, the HUD is just beyond the pale. Especially the "advanced materials hud", which is so slow I can go make a cup of coffee between clicking it and it responding, even in relatively lag-free sims. The main one isn't a lot better, since it works through their servers, which are not fast. To say the very least. It'll also not work if those servers ever go down.

On a sidenote, it also comes with about one megabyte of undeletable scripts inside it, which is roughly 960kb more than any competent scripter needs for a body.

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16 hours ago, Rumancekk said:

[ ... ] so I was wondering what they were and of Legacy is recommended [ ... ]

   Nope.

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7 hours ago, Skell Dagger said:

There was no 5K BoM update charge for Legacy, and there never was. What you probably saw was someone volubly stating in one of the "why the hell would anyone buy Legacy?" threads that they would not pay 5k for a Legacy body, because they saw Legacy as "just a BoM update to the old TMP body", when in fact it is an entirely different body. The only thing that could even remotely be classed as a so-called "BoM update to the old TMP body" is the 'Classic' body, (which, incidentally, could also remotely be classed as a so-called "Bento hands update to the old TMP body"), but even that was a re-working of the old TMP body; it wasn't just the old TMP body with BoM and Bento ability slapped onto it. The 'Classic' body is the one that currently costs L$1.

This kind of mistaken "X is just an update to Y" insistence is why I have on occasion had to spend upwards of an hour patiently explaining to certain very insistent individuals that no, they cannot have a Bento or HDPRO head for free just because "it's only an update" to their old, completely different non-Bento head purchase from several years ago.

It's possible but I remember more of the quote now going "people are dropping the Legacy because of the 5K update for BOM" but I'd have to go through all my posts to find the thread.  However, the forum was completely silent about it...so something obviously was not worded right but that sure made me steer clear of Legacy after their "history".  And with their previous history, why should I have doubted it?  It was their pattern.  And, Bento is not an update like BOM is.   

Legacy does now appear to have corrected some problems and some are still like a tennis match...one say it's fixed and not a problem, the other says it's not fixed and it's still a problem to whatever the problem may be.

However, the body has a demo.  Lots of items in SL don't even have a demo.   Although a demo isn't always 100% with certain items as my first two mesh heads were a total disaster.  My first mesh head was a Genesis (not to be confused with Genus) and I'm thinking it works with appliers like every other head but then come to find out Genesis heads do not work with appliers BUT only their appliers and you have to buy their skins only and their skins are terrible in the shading - super light face, dark body, even darker neck.  Then I bought Strawberry thinking it's fully modify when it's really partially modify as not all sliders work and that head just never worked out for me and the lip was like a unilip on the top.  I finally found some lipsticks through Izzie to work on Strawberry but it still wasn't what I thought.  I never knew partial modify existed until I got into the mesh body and head items.  

As far as Legacy, it's come a long way.  Choose what you like.  As far as triangles - Maitreya has about 150K triangles; Legacy female has about 750K triangles.  Take the demos to busy places to see how the demo runs.  

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I have the perky version and love it although I havent used it in a while. Aside from that, here are my issues with the body.

1. The HUD, I find it awful. Just MHO

2. Unless this has changed trying to get a shiny look when using BoM is a pain is the ass with the extra texture HUD included. ☹️

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4 hours ago, Matilda Melune said:

2. Unless this has changed trying to get a shiny look when using BoM is a pain is the ass with the extra texture HUD included. 

Sorry, this is a bit off topic but I don't care for BOM.  Can't you go either or, meaning either BOM or non-BOM by pushing a button?   The make-ups are difficult to fit for BOM and the skins are very hit and miss on certain heads with sitting off for the nose, etc.  Also, I've been trying for about a month just to get a lipstick that fits all kinds of shapes I've tried.  Anyhow, I feel your pain about BOM as some of the changes are "wonky" for lack of a better word.  Perhaps maddening is a better word.  

I like this body somewhat...but fear "the Hud" as is often spoken about as well as could it lag me out too much.  Plus, price at this time with the coronavirus and lockdown leaves far, far less "play" money; i.e., it's too expensive for me now at this price.  That's life.  Play money will be less.  

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13 minutes ago, JanuarySwan said:

Can't you go either or, meaning either BOM or non-BOM by pushing a button? 

You can. You'd also have to change the alpha obviously, but there's also an issue with everything else that you had on the BoM layers. Tattoos, freckles, veins and other body details you might have on won't be visible anymore, so you'd have to apply those to the non BoM body if they are even available in an applier form to begin with. But if they are, then it's easier to just keep 2 copies of the body, one in BoM mode and other in applier mode and just swap between them as needed.

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