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No.

LL respects our privacy. There is no way for you to definitely prove any personal details of someone simply through SL. Even an account that has payment info on file may not be an adult.

Also, they're called "avatars," not "sims." Sim is short for Simulator, which is the server where avatars exist.

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Thank you for the clarification. I do not want to violate anyone's privacy. However, I think every country has a law that protects minors from sexual seduce. It turns out that if someone adds a few years to themselves when registering and includes adult content for themselves, everyone who plays an adult RP with him will be a lawbreaker?

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1 hour ago, play1over said:

Thank you for the clarification. I do not want to violate anyone's privacy. However, I think every country has a law that protects minors from sexual seduce. It turns out that if someone adds a few years to themselves when registering and includes adult content for themselves, everyone who plays an adult RP with him will be a lawbreaker?

If you mean engage in virtual sex with someone who has said they are under 18 in RL than yes.  You could get in trouble.  If someone says their RP/SL age is under 18 than yes, that is called sexual ***** and can get you banned from SL

 

 

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23 minutes ago, RowanMinx said:

If you mean engage in virtual sex with someone who has said they are under 18 in RL than yes.  You could get in trouble.  If someone says their RP/SL age is under 18 than yes, that is called sexual ***** and can get you banned from SL

No, I mean that a person who is less than 18 years old in real life may not say about his real age. Or lie. In this case, anyone who will have virtual sex with him is breaking the law.

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1 minute ago, play1over said:

No, I mean that a person who is less than 18 years old in real life may not say about his real age. Or lie. In this case, anyone who will have virtual sex with him is breaking the law.

If they actually told someone they were under 18 in real life and are in a moderate or adult area, then the person they told should file an abuse report and include all information and any IMs regarding that person's admission to being underage in an adult area.  I believe 16-17 are allowed ONLY in G rated regions.  

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1 hour ago, RowanMinx said:

If they actually told someone they were under 18 in real life and are in a moderate or adult area, then the person they told should file an abuse report and include all information and any IMs regarding that person's admission to being underage in an adult area.  I believe 16-17 are allowed ONLY in G rated regions.  

Probably my English is too bad for me to clearly explain my idea. I agree that people under the age of 18 should not participate in adult role play. Yes, they have nothing to do in the adult areas at all. But nothing prevents a real person who is under 18 from specifying any age they want. If he says that he is over 18 years old at registration, he will be able to visit the adult areas, and play adult role-playing games. And in this case, everyone who will play with him will violate the laws of the real world, without knowing about it. Or am I wrong?

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37 minutes ago, play1over said:

Probably my English is too bad for me to clearly explain my idea. I agree that people under the age of 18 should not participate in adult role play. Yes, they have nothing to do in the adult areas at all. But nothing prevents a real person who is under 18 from specifying any age they want. If he says that he is over 18 years old at registration, he will be able to visit the adult areas, and play adult role-playing games. And in this case, everyone who will play with him will violate the laws of the real world, without knowing about it. Or am I wrong?

You are correct .  However, unless there is substantial proof that this resident is underage, I'm unaware of how anyone aside from the underage resident could be held responsible.  We assume residents in adult areas are of age to be there.  Unless the underage avatar has specifically said they are underage, how is anyone to know?  It's a risk anyone takes engaging in sexual RP with someone.  We, as residents, have no way to tell anyone's RL age unless someone tells us and even then, they may be lying.  It's an awkward position to be in but unless SL implements an age verification policy, player beware.

 

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25 minutes ago, RowanMinx said:

You are correct .  However, unless there is substantial proof that this resident is underage, I'm unaware of how anyone aside from the underage resident could be held responsible.  We assume residents in adult areas are of age to be there.  Unless the underage avatar has specifically said they are underage, how is anyone to know?  It's a risk anyone takes engaging in sexual RP with someone.  We, as residents, have no way to tell anyone's RL age unless someone tells us and even then, they may be lying.  It's an awkward position to be in but unless SL implements an age verification policy, player beware.

The only thing that comes to my mind is to only deal with avatars over 18 years old. But this will severely limit the list of those with whom you can play. Well, here's another thought that came to my mind. I don't remember the whole text of the agreement that we sign when we start playing SL. Perhaps there is a clause according to which a person who lied about being an adult assumes responsibility for all legal consequences that may arise as a result of his lie. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

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How does it severely limit? I’m not seeing this as an issue unless one is interacting with people who are lying or being ambiguous about it. Steer clear of any adult behavior with (or around) anyone who doesn’t clearly identify as a legal adult in RL or SL. This is not difficult. 

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51 minutes ago, play1over said:

The only thing that comes to my mind is to only deal with avatars over 18 years old. But this will severely limit the list of those with whom you can play.

Are there that many teenagers in SL? My impression has been most residents are well past their teens. If I found myself hanging out in places frequented by teens, especially adult establishments, I’d find somewhere else to hang out. 

51 minutes ago, play1over said:

Perhaps there is a clause according to which a person who lied about being an adult assumes responsibility for all legal consequences that may arise as a result of his lie.

You’re welcome to go through the SL TOS, but I’m sure such a clause doesn’t exist, and if it did it probably wouldn’t be legally binding anywhere.

You need to cover your butt and do your due diligence to make sure you aren’t having SL sexytime with minors. Again, not legal advice, but this is on you, not Linden Lab and not whoever you’re playing with. Take responsibility and do your due diligence to make sure you aren’t playing with minors. If you suspect someone is underage, that’s a hard no. Every time, no exceptions. No sexytime, no dick pics, nothing. Block them and move on. Immediately.

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26 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

Are there that many teenagers in SL? My impression has been most residents are well past their teens.

Do you think there are few of them? It is usually young people who are the fastest to start working with new technologies.

31 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

You’re welcome to go through the SL TOS, but I’m sure such a clause doesn’t exist, and if it did it probably wouldn’t be legally binding anywhere.

You need to cover your butt and do your due diligence to make sure you aren’t having SL sexytime with minors. Again, not legal advice, but this is on you, not Linden Lab and not whoever you’re playing with. Take responsibility and do your due diligence to make sure you aren’t playing with minors. If you suspect someone is underage, that’s a hard no. Every time, no exceptions. No sexytime, no dick pics, nothing. Block them and move on. Immediately.

Caution advice is good, but only relevant when the person can take action. In this case, he can only directly ask about the age (and will not be able to check the veracity of the answer) and analyze the manner of communication of the interlocutor (which can help, but not always, especially considering the language barrier).
Although there is one more option. Delete account and leave the SL.

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27 minutes ago, 8Whip8 said:

Do you think there are few of them? It is usually young people who are the fastest to start working with new technologies.

SL is not a "new technology". This isn't were the kids go these days, lol. Actually, most people are suprised to hear, that SL is still around. Its a niche thing and yes, the userbase tends to be a bit older on average.

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1 hour ago, 8Whip8 said:

Do you think there are few of them? It is usually young people who are the fastest to start working with new technologies.

Yeah, that's what I think. SL is almost 20 years old. I don't think there are a lot of kids who thought Five Nights at Freddie's got old and decided to login to SL to cyber with grandma.

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23 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

Yeah, that's what I think. SL is almost 20 years old. I don't think there are a lot of kids who thought Five Nights at Freddie's got old and decided to login to SL to cyber with grandma.

Although we did have a 15 yr old posting here in the forums.  She admitted as much and was banned.  I'm pretty sure she's back with another avatar though.  She said she'd been on IMVU since she was 11 soooo... You just never know.

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3 hours ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice but getting in trouble for that sort of thing generally involves knowing the person is underage. I would suggest you look up the laws regarding this in your state and/or country.

Actually, a quick google search will answer the question.

If a minor lies about their age to you and you engage in sexual conduct with them, you've still broken the law, and "they lied" isn't a defense.

IS IT STILL STATUTORY RAPE IF THE VICTIM LIED ABOUT THEIR AGE? - Fort Worth Criminal Defense Lawyer (hassibicriminaldefense.com)

Could I Be Convicted of Statutory Rape Even if My Partner Lied About Their Age? | CriminalDefenseLawyer.com

Man charged with sexual assault after girl lies about age | Tomah Journal | lacrossetribune.com

Could Cody Wilson sex assault case hinge on age deception? - News - Austin American-Statesman - Austin, TX

It's likely the same most places.

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5 minutes ago, RowanMinx said:

Although we did have a 15 yr old posting here in the forums.  She admitted as much and was banned.  I'm pretty sure she's back with another avatar though.  She said she'd been on IMVU since she was 11 soooo... You just never know.

If what I was told is to be believed, that person (or another underage person) was recently caught escorting. 

There are absolutely underage people in second life, still. I have very clear rules on my own sim that only those over 18 can join, but still had someone offhand mention 'oh I'm actually 14 but I promise to stay away from anything adult'. I banned them immediately.

There's no way to be sure. 

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   There's not much you can do about it, really. As long as it's just stuff in SL though, I don't see how it should cause any actual legal issues; if someone has an adult avatar and don't inform you that they are a minor before engaging with you in adult activities, you have no means of protecting yourself from it.

   The only thing you can do is to try to actually get to know people before engaging in such activities with them, but with many people having the 'SL is SL, RL is RL' philosophy, not everyone will be open about who they are.

   I myself engaged in adult activities both online and offline long before I was of legal age, the early 2000's was a pretty wild time for me. I didn't get into SL until I was almost 20 though.

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2 minutes ago, Orwar said:

   There's not much you can do about it, really. As long as it's just stuff in SL though, I don't see how it should cause any actual legal issues; if someone has an adult avatar and don't inform you that they are a minor before engaging with you in adult activities, you have no means of protecting yourself from it.

   The only thing you can do is to try to actually get to know people before engaging in such activities with them, but with many people having the 'SL is SL, RL is RL' philosophy, not everyone will be open about who they are.

   I myself engaged in adult activities both online and offline long before I was of legal age, the early 2000's was a pretty wild time for me. I didn't get into SL until I was almost 20 though.

From a legal speculation standpoint (disclaimer; I am not a lawyer) there are some areas of the world where you not knowing or having any way of knowing someone is a minor does not protect you. It is still considered a crime. 

Would that actually make it to a case and in court? It's incredibly unlikely to the point of not being of concern, but local laws will be pretty black and white on this stuff.

From an ethical standpoint the question is way more complex. I also engaged in adult actives in my teens in the 90s online... And while I'm not ashamed about it I don't think the internet is the same place it was then. I feel like it's more dangerous now, but I don't want to downplay the danger that absolutely existed then. 

I personally get to know someone a bit these days if roleplay is heading in a direction that might be adult, but I think everyone has their own comfort level for that sort of stuff. 

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1 hour ago, Bitterthorn said:

There's no way to be sure. 

In theory, you can get some guarantees by looking at the age of the avatar. 10 years or more - there is a high probability that we are faced with an adult, hardly anyone comes to SL before 8 years. This is not an MMO or an online shooter after all.

 

37 minutes ago, Bitterthorn said:

Would that actually make it to a case and in court? It's incredibly unlikely to the point of not being of concern, but local laws will be pretty black and white on this stuff.

When you talk about local laws, you mean the laws of the second life? If I understand correctly, the most severe punishment that SL can impose is a ban, I think - the author of this post talks about more serious consequences. I do not presume to judge how likely problems with law enforcement agencies in RL due to virtual sex in SL

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15 minutes ago, Bitterthorn said:

It is still considered a crime.

   It probably is here as well, but getting it to court and managing to make a case for it with the counter-argument that the minor at no point disclosed their age, and broke the rules of the platform by attending adult activities, seems extremely unlikely.

   But it's not an easy issue with an easy solution. Unless LL decide to make a more stringent age verification process on sign-up (which could probably still be circumvented - we got really strict laws regarding distribution of alcohol and tobacco to minors, that never stopped me either), the only things you'll have to go on are how a person acts and speaks (but there are pretty convincing voice morphing programs out there that aren't too difficult to set up, and my English at 13 was still more eloquent than the English of many retiree-aged 'Murricans I come across, and most adult sims are little more mature than kindergartens); nothing short of a video call wherein the person you're about to bump with is holding up a passport or driver's license is going to be absolutely certain ( .. Though there are of course illegitimate IDs as well, so, there's that).

   If you are with someone who you suspect may be under-aged, for any reason, it's probably safest just not letting things go any further, but I wouldn't let it be a constant worry that ruins the things I enjoy in SL.

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25 minutes ago, 8Whip8 said:

 

When you talk about local laws, you mean the laws of the second life?

These would be the laws in your region of your country and that of the person you are speaking to. One of the biggest barriers to that ever actually ending up in court is that rarely do those both line up. 

Linden Labs will ban you quickly if you are found knowingly engaging with sexual content with a minor, bit you will want to check their terms to see all the rules that apply here. 

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1 hour ago, 8Whip8 said:

In theory, you can get some guarantees by looking at the age of the avatar. 10 years or more - there is a high probability that we are faced with an adult, hardly anyone comes to SL before 8 years. This is not an MMO or an online shooter after all.

 

When you talk about local laws, you mean the laws of the second life? If I understand correctly, the most severe punishment that SL can impose is a ban, I think - the author of this post talks about more serious consequences. I do not presume to judge how likely problems with law enforcement agencies in RL due to virtual sex in SL

Here it all is in the briefest form.  You will never be sure who is behind that avatar you are bumping uglies with.  Could be a man as a woman, a woman as a man, someone under the age of 18 or someone older than your grandparents.  White, black or any color in between.  Short, tall, thin, not so thin.  Unless you are on voice and cam and even then, can you be sure?  But if someone tells you they are underage or role-playing under age, walk away.

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