subgay Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Has anyone know if Sl has plans to implement an official web viewer? Perhaps it would be lighther and less demanding than the regular viewer...and now that they are migrating to the cloud... would it be more feasible? I've known they had a successful one back in 2005 -SL Go- but it was aborted.. I have invited many people to join SL and all have refused it because they had to download a viewer and they feared it could harm their Pc Thanks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, subgay said: I've known they had a successful one back in 2005 -SL Go- that was a private company not LL, also Bright Canopy ( same procuct) wasn't a LL company. 2 hours ago, subgay said: they feared it could harm their Pc based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subgay Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: based on? I send the Sl link to a forum (a music fan club) and the webmaster calified my invitation as pirate and harmful software if I remember well, and they refused the invite for that reason 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aishagain Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, subgay said: send the Sl link to a forum (a music fan club) and the webmaster calified my invitation as pirate and harmful software if I remember well, and they refused the invite for that reason oh FFS. That "webmaster" is an idiot. Edited November 24, 2020 by Aishagain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 hours ago, subgay said: all have refused it because they had to download a viewer and they feared it could harm their Pc If programs harmed our PC's, our PC's would be useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Reanimator Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) There is a browser-based viewer called SpeedLight, but it's probably not something a new SL user should be using. (Last I checked, avatars aren't fully visible.) Edited November 24, 2020 by Wulfie Reanimator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyssa Greymoon Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 hours ago, subgay said: I have invited many people to join SL and all have refused it because they had to download a viewer and they feared it could harm their Pc Did you ever get your PC out of safe mode? Their concern may be understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 hours ago, subgay said: I have invited many people to join SL and all have refused it because they had to download a viewer and they feared it could harm their Pc Thanks Yes, we'd all be here for years if it was harmful. Addicting possibly but not harmful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subgay Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Aishagain said: That "webmaster" is an idiot. probably she is, a webmistress btw. Her attitude was unreasonable, but I am just saying how people reacted to invitation.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aishagain Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 @subgay It is possible, nay likely that these same people take the view that downloading a programme which then tries (needs) to contact a previously unknown web address is perforce dangerous. That is simply understandable ignorance which a little due diligence on anyone's part will resolve. Nevertheless it is just that, ignorance. I did all this over 12 years ago with next to no knowledge of the web and its strands. If I can do it, anyone can. I repeat: the Web(gender irrelevant) is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0678 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) I only know of Ajaxlife web client that existed 10 years ago (the developer eventually abandoned it) and don't think that LL has any plans to make one. Edited November 24, 2020 by Nick0678 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subgay Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Nick0678 said: don't think that LL has any plans to make one. why? is it difficult to develop? expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, subgay said: why? is it difficult to develop? expensive? difficult is a pretty relative term with software development like most things, is more about time and money. How long will this take to do ? How much will it cost ? And what is the the ROI, how much money and/or new users can we expect to get after spending the time and money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0678 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 hours ago, subgay said: why? is it difficult to develop? expensive? i think the answer is simple and the same in regards to why it's almost 2021and there isn't an Android client, IOS client, updated Linux client, it's simply called lack of interest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subgay Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 10 hours ago, Mollymews said: and/or new users can we expect to get I can assure you that many people have turned down my invitations to SL due to the fact they had to download the viewer...not to mention registering an account.. I think they would attract more visitors if they would allow an streaming viewer of their own and also the possibility of exploring inworld as a guest also.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subgay Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Nick0678 said: it's simply called lack of interest. the same lack of interest that we users could have with the past of the time, lack of resources, or changing circunstances in our life, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjartanEno Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 6 hours ago, subgay said: I can assure you that many people have turned down my invitations to SL due to the fact they had to download the viewer...not to mention registering an account.. I think they would attract more visitors if they would allow an streaming viewer of their own and also the possibility of exploring inworld as a guest also.. What you're describing is called Decentraland. You can do exactly what you just described by using a web browser and entering the world. There is no need to sign up, so anyone can enter as a guest. I've had very little experience with this virtual world. It might be worth looking into, but it's no replacement for SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animats Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Now that browsers have WebAssembly, they can run compiled programs. It's possible to build a viewer that runs in a browser at reasonable speed. Big job, but possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 LL had a web based viewer at one point, it logged into SL, into a certain region and you was a guest only, no real way to login with your sl account, not sure where ever that went too, but somtimes the lab does things to guage how people react and I guess we dont react well enough for them to commit to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyssa Greymoon Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 For a web based viewer on a low end PC you're either going to have a poor user experience or pay someone to provide the processing power your computer doesn't have. I'm fairly sure LL has kept an eye on streaming solutions and seen how well they do. Maybe one day SL will end up on nVidia's GeForce Now or Google Stadia. You're probably still gonna have to sign up for at least one service, probably two if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 13 hours ago, subgay said: I can assure you that many people have turned down my invitations to SL due to the fact they had to download the viewer...not to mention registering an account.. I think they would attract more visitors if they would allow an streaming viewer of their own and also the possibility of exploring inworld as a guest also.. in terms of widening the potential user base then I think that being able to access SL from a phone would be where I would go if I was the owner of SL. On the basis that people use phones for internet activity more than any other kind of internet device so is not surprising that Linden have also chosen this path already linden are working on a text-only iPhone app to begin with. Am pretty sure when this is accepted/working then Linden will look to provide rudimentary graphics for it. Then a Android phone app to follow most likely so on what you are wanting in terms of making SL accessibility easier for the larger mass of people (potential customers) then I think Linden have heard you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ital Galiazzo Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 11/25/2020 at 1:44 PM, Lyssa Greymoon said: For a web based viewer on a low end PC you're either going to have a poor user experience or pay someone to provide the processing power your computer doesn't have. I'm fairly sure LL has kept an eye on streaming solutions and seen how well they do. Maybe one day SL will end up on nVidia's GeForce Now or Google Stadia. You're probably still gonna have to sign up for at least one service, probably two if that happens. I already pay for Stadia (although it has a free tier). Would love to see SL on Stadia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 10 hours ago, Ital Galiazzo said: I already pay for Stadia (although it has a free tier). Would love to see SL on Stadia. SL uses AWS for the back haul, they would go with aws services before trying to port it to google services. plus stadia from what I understand is another failing product, I read the steam forums and nobody is having good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animats Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Amazon is getting into game streaming, via "Amazon Luna". Streaming SL should work fine. The problem is pricing. What you're doing is renting a gamer PC by the hour, with its video sent back to your device. It's a remote console setup; the server is running the normal viewer. So it's not a development-heavy problem. It's expensive. Services charge by the hour, or allow you a limited number of hours per month. NVidia GEforce Now charges US$50 per year. That's the "Founders" rate. It will probably go up. It's under-resourced; you can try to connect and be told it's busy. Paying users can stay logged in for up to 6 hours; then you go to the end of the line and wait for a slot to open up. Not clear how busy it is. There's a free tier, but it's always busy. SL ought to be on some streaming service. Nice way to get introduced to SL, you can come in from low-end machines, and regular users can graduate to a real viewer and save money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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