Seating height vs. avatar height

[animats]

I've never had much trouble with seat height being way off before. But now I'm using the Roth open-source avatar. That works reasonably well. But it's taller than real life, so I used the height slider to make it shorter. (6'2", my RL height; we're not talking tinies here.) Then I had to adjust hover height, so feet are on the ground.

Now, everything I sit on that used to fit has the avatar about a quarter meter above the seat. This has me puzzled. If anything, I'd expect it to be too low or the same. Sit position is relative to the center of the bounding box, right?

[Anna Nova]

Has the bounding box remained the same, even though you have used the height slider to reduce the visual mesh?  I haven't tried Ruth/Roth yet, but even with Maitreya I have to play with seat positions and hover all the time.

[Nalates Urriah]

Try tweaking the Appearance Height. The Right-click-on-avatar Height, being the OTHER height, works great if the adjustments are small. Otherwise, you see the sit problem you are seeing. So, use the inside Appearance Height to balance things.

[Jordyn McGregor]

I have fubar'd my heights up so bad that I just use the "set hover height" slider thingie to adjust me when I sit, stand, lie down etc.

[Nalates Urriah]

Yeah... there are a bunch of things that can throw height off.

I think the best choice is to get nude and put your flat feet on, see where your avatar is with both height controls at zero, which is 50 inside the Appearance panel. If things are good, then your feet should be close to the floor, meaning within a decimeter or half-foot. If more than that, something is wrong.

You should also be able to sit with these settings and be about the same distance from an ideal sit or lay as your feet are from the floor. But, chairs and other furniture can be really messed up in regard to sit positions. So make sure you are using well made furniture for testing.

The old system shoe layers can also be a problem. We mostly use them for adjusting foot height now. So, try a flat foot one and none to see if that layer is the problem. If you adjust to compensate for a bad 'shoe settings layer' everything will be wacked. 

No matter how much effort you put into getting it "right" it will never be perfect. The height slider is going to get lots of use. But if you are adjusting up or down more than 0.5 something is messed up... the avatar, furniture, or ground/floor. That is not uncommon.

[animats]

Ah, I will try the second height slider.

[Blush Bravin]

I find that if I use the hover slider to change the hover height of my avatar, it will ALWAYS screw up how I sit. So I keep hover at neutral and use footshapers to adjust hover. I have made my own set of footshapers with varying degrees of height to accommodate various shoe heights. I only use the hover slider to adjust height when I jump on a dance pad, then I quickly return it to neutral once I jump off the dance pad.

[animats]

On 11/23/2020 at 10:09 AM, animats said:

Ah, I will try the second height slider.

Turned out to work, but it's kind of a pain. Use the hover height slider in the "Edit Appearance" dialog box to set sit position, then the hover height slider in the pie menu to set stand position.

Opening "Edit Appearance" forces your avatar into pose stand position, which is inconvenient for adjusting sit height, of course.

[Rowan Amore]

38 minutes ago, animats said:

Turned out to work, but it's kind of a pain. Use the hover height slider in the "Edit Appearance" dialog box to set sit position, then the hover height slider in the pie menu to set stand position.

Opening "Edit Appearance" forces your avatar into pose stand position, which is inconvenient for adjusting sit height, of course.

You can turn the posing off in preferences.  In Move and View, View...

Automatically pose avatar during (select one or more):

• Build/Edit: When selected, the camera automatically moves to center on the object you're editing.
• Appearance: (set by default) When selected, the camera automatically zooms in on your avatar when you enter Appearance mode. It also automatically focuses as you select different Body Parts and Clothes tabs. Deselect this to leave the camera where it is.

Edited November 27, 2020 by RowanMinx

[Nalates Urriah]

On 11/26/2020 at 5:02 PM, animats said:

Turned out to work, but it's kind of a pain. Use the hover height slider in the "Edit Appearance" dialog box to set sit position, then the hover height slider in the pie menu to set stand position.

Opening "Edit Appearance" forces your avatar into pose stand position, which is inconvenient for adjusting sit height, of course.

Yes. Even with Rowan's change to Appearance Editing it is a pain. 

Blushes' choice to use the foot/shoe shaper setting has some of the same problem. But once you get it right, that shaper is set for life. Changing foot shapers is easier than going into Appearance to change hieght.