xoalaia Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I haven't been on SL in a few months, this was one of my favorite locations and my last photo there. I've searched my teleport history and landmarks and I still can't find it. Does anyone know the name of this location? It was a small location, located on the beach, had several different places for prayer, a butterfly chair/garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skell Dagger Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Check the date that you took the photo, then check your local chat logs (assuming that you keep those) for that date. You should see 'teleport completed from [location]' in the chat log and can then go there to check if it's the right place. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoalaia Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, Skell Dagger said: Check the date that you took the photo, then check your local chat logs (assuming that you keep those) for that date. You should see 'teleport completed from [location]' in the chat log and can then go there to check if it's the right place. Thank you for this! After some digging through the log I finally found it, unfortunately the land is cleared out and for sale now. 😞 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, xoalaia said: Thank you for this! After some digging through the log I finally found it, unfortunately the land is cleared out and for sale now. 😞 That is the way of it now... People can just not afford to support a land that only exists if sl exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoalaia Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tarina Sewell said: That is the way of it now... People can just not afford to support a land that only exists if sl exists. It seems to have happened to a lot of the locations I visited back in March, either they're for sale or no longer available to teleport to. Is this widespread on SL due to the pandemic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, xoalaia said: It seems to have happened to a lot of the locations I visited back in March, either they're for sale or no longer available to teleport to. Is this widespread on SL due to the pandemic? During a pandemic virtual property is not something people will hold onto. I've had to pimp out my region just to keep from selling it. Edited November 15, 2020 by Tarina Sewell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, xoalaia said: It seems to have happened to a lot of the locations I visited back in March, either they're for sale or no longer available to teleport to. Is this widespread on SL due to the pandemic? It's always been like that just a bit more lately. Places come and go. People lose interest or move on somewhere else to do something else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalates Urriah Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) I think it would be more accurate to say the economic problem for most people is from the lock down. Making the pandemic an indirect cause. This pandemic is the first in US history to have a drastic economic effect. Since 1918-20 the Spanish flu swept through the world; 500 million cases (world pop=1.8billion or 28% ), deaths 50± million or 10%, U.S. deaths 675,000± or 0.65% of the US pop. the medical world has been studying how to stop the spread of influenza. The CDC has published the extent of our knowledge in their paper, Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures (ref 5/2020). Asian Flu: 1957-1958; deaths 1.1 million or 0.03%, US deaths 116,000 or 0.06% with world pop = 2.8 billion, US = 178± million. H1N1 Swine Flu pandemic: 2009-2010; 1.4 billion cases or 20%, world-wide deaths between 151,700 (pop 6.9 billion) and 575,400 or 0.02% to 0.03%, US cases 60 million or 19%, deaths 12,500± (pop 308 million) 0.004%. Covid-19: 2020-?; 54 million cases or 6.9%, 1.3 million deaths or 0.016%., US 11 million cases or 3.3%, US deaths 245,000 or 0.074% - World pop = 7.8± billion, US pop 331± million. I have to agree with the CDC, we don't know how to avoid spreading the flu-like viruses. While it looks like we may have slowed the spread the lock down is crushing the economy. Whether we will have more deaths from CoVid or the lock down is an unknown until we collect the information, which will take a couple of years. This will be a good test of whether herd immunity is a real and significant factor or not. Will Covid pass in a couple of years as humans build immunity as they did to previous flues? Or will the lock downs cause it to linger longer from less herd immunity? Whichever, Rowan is right. Places come and go. I separate my LM's by year. I think a majority of those LMs over a year old get culled because they no longer point to a place that still exists. The rate of disappearing regions does not seem to have changed. Plus, the Lindens can't provide new regions (or only in a limited number) because of the uplift. Edited November 15, 2020 by Nalates Urriah couple of decimal points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 17 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said: I have to agree with the CDC, we don't know how to avoid spreading the flu-like viruses. If that's what the CDC is saying, they need to get out more. Maybe that's how it looks in the US and Europe now, but essentially all of Asia controlled COVID with one relatively brief lockdown early in the epidemic. New Zealand, too, famously, plus the Canadian COVID-free "Atlantic bubble." Also Australia (aside from the relatively brief and contained Victoria outbreak, the response to which was a triumph) and parts of Africa. Those economies would have completely recovered long ago were it not for their interdependence on areas that instead squandered the lockdown by failing to follow through with the necessary testing and contact tracing to drive Rₜ to 0 and keep it there. COVID should have been eradicated globally by now, had western public health response been even reasonably effective. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyssa Greymoon Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 18 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said: While it looks like we may have slowed the spread the lock down is crushing the economy. Congrats on getting a handle on it in whatever country you’re in. It’s completely out of control in the United Stares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalates Urriah Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Qie Niangao said: If that's what the CDC is saying, they need to get out more. Maybe that's how it looks in the US and Europe now, but essentially all of Asia controlled COVID with one relatively brief lockdown early in the epidemic. New Zealand, too, famously, plus the Canadian COVID-free "Atlantic bubble." Also Australia (aside from the relatively brief and contained Victoria outbreak, the response to which was a triumph) and parts of Africa. Those economies would have completely recovered long ago were it not for their interdependence on areas that instead squandered the lockdown by failing to follow through with the necessary testing and contact tracing to drive Rₜ to 0 and keep it there. COVID should have been eradicated globally by now, had western public health response been even reasonably effective. You didn't read the article... The places in Asia you are pointing to that you think controlled the virus have way low population densities. And they are spiking too. Can you show me any virus that we have ever eradicated globally? The point is anyone researching the benefit ratio of the lock down generally concludes it isn't rational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, Nalates Urriah said: You didn't read the article... The places in Asia you are pointing to that you think controlled the virus have way low population densities. And they are spiking too. Can you show me any virus that we have ever eradicated globally? The point is anyone researching the benefit ratio of the lock down generally concludes it isn't rational. South Korea has a "way low" population density? And Vietnam? And "spiking" by what standards?? We should be so lucky as to have "spikes" like that. We made the lockdown "irrational" by not coming out of it responsibly, essentially throwing away its success and all the economic hardship that went into winning that success. At this point, I don't know that another lockdown could succeed, but it's no picnic without one either, paying the price of continued restrictions to keep the health care system from complete meltdown. (I don't know how that paper is relevant; it has nothing to do with lockdowns. But then I don't understand why this topic came up in this thread at all.) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skell Dagger Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Nalates Urriah said: Can you show me any virus that we have ever eradicated globally? Smallpox. There are only two tightly-controlled BSL-4 laboratories that now hold limited stocks of Variola vera, and there have been no cases of the disease since 1978 (1977 if you're looking at naturally-occurring instances; the 1978 case was a medical worker). The WHO certified it globally eradicated in 1980. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) On 11/15/2020 at 1:01 PM, Nalates Urriah said: This will be a good test of whether herd immunity is a real and significant factor or not. Will Covid pass in a couple of years as humans build immunity as they did to previous flues? Or will the lock downs cause it to linger longer from less herd immunity? HERD IMMUNITY: the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination. So until there is a vaccine, the herd immunity deal is dangerous and lock down could be in order. Edited November 16, 2020 by RowanMinx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyssa Greymoon Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Yeah, those spikes can look pretty bad until you read the scale. Japan's "spike" is about the size of Arkansas's. South Korea's is comparable to New Hampshire's and Vietnam is close to Perry County Ky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said: Can you show me any virus that we have ever eradicated globally? The Smallpox virus that Skell mentioned. Not that long ago viruses were a tough nut to crack, but starting with breakthroughs in the treatment of AIDS, then applied to Hep C, great progress has been made. We'd have Hep C eradicated but it's too expensive to treat everyone atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said: (I don't know how that paper is relevant; it has nothing to do with lockdowns. But then I don't understand why this topic came up in this thread at all.) Someone went all crazy with "statistics" instead of sticking with why people were letting their land go during the pandemic? A simple "less money" would have sufficed. Edited November 16, 2020 by RowanMinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalates Urriah Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: The Smallpox virus that Skell mentioned. Not that long ago viruses were a tough nut to crack, but starting with breakthroughs in the treatment of AIDS, then applied to Hep C, great progress has been made. We'd have Hep C eradicated but it's too expensive to treat everyone atm. I am pretty sure the word 'eradicated' doesn't mean what you think... 22 minutes ago, RowanMinx said: Someone went all crazy with "statistics" instead of sticking with why people were letting their land go during the pandemic? A simple "less money" would have sufficed. No... sorry you missed the point. Other pandemics of smaller and larger sizes did not create the economic chaos affecting SL. It isn't the virus but the panic and lock downs that have both helped and hurt SL. The OP asked about the pandemic as the cause. Seems every one got triggered by my pointing out other pandemics without lock downs have not had the social and economic impacts that the lock down has caused. What was the point of the lock down? Politicians in the US and other countries were very clear on the why... 1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said: South Korea has a "way low" population density? And Vietnam? And "spiking" by what standards?? We should be so lucky as to have "spikes" like that. We made the lockdown "irrational" by not coming out of it responsibly, essentially throwing away its success and all the economic hardship that went into winning that success. At this point, I don't know that another lockdown could succeed, but it's no picnic without one either, paying the price of continued restrictions to keep the health care system from complete meltdown. (I don't know how that paper is relevant; it has nothing to do with lockdowns. But then I don't understand why this topic came up in this thread at all.) I did say of the ones you pointed to... Turn the spikes into percentages to compare. The lock downs were and are an irrational response to an unknown. Which do you think will cost more lives, another lock down or a spike in CoVid cases? You also missed the point of my first response. 1 hour ago, Skell Dagger said: Smallpox. There are only two tightly-controlled BSL-4 laboratories that now hold limited stocks of Variola vera, and there have been no cases of the disease since 1978 (1977 if you're looking at naturally-occurring instances; the 1978 case was a medical worker). The WHO certified it globally eradicated in 1980. So... of the hundreds of thousands of known viruses we have eradicated 2? (Small Pox is one) My point was it is very unlikely we will ever eradicate* CoVid viruses. *eradicate as defined by Webster and the medical community are different. The medical side goes with 'removed from the wild environment' or 'no known cases over a significant span of time' as being eradicated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skell Dagger Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nalates Urriah said: So... of the hundreds of thousands of known viruses we have eradicated 2? You specifically asked for "any". That was all. 4 minutes ago, Nalates Urriah said: *eradicate as defined by Webster and the medical community are different. The medical side goes with 'removed from the wild environment' or 'no known cases over a significant span of time' as being eradicated. I know what the definitions are, thank you. I spent 20 years in the medical science discipline. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyssa Greymoon Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 When I find a dead landmark, about as often as not the place has moved. Either searching for it or checking the owner’s profile usually brings up the new location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Luna Bliss Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nalates Urriah said: Which do you think will cost more lives, another lock down or a spike in CoVid cases? Many people work online, but the ones who don't are suffering. They should receive governmental support as they do in the civilized countries and then we'd have few lives lost from either Covid or lockdowns. The most essential of the essential workers who are needed to maintain society should receive extra support -- extra money, safety equipment, extra training and revamping of jobs for added safety. Only this asshat of a country thinks there has to be a choice and that the economy takes priority. Edited November 17, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nalates Urriah said: No... sorry you missed the point. Other pandemics of smaller and larger sizes did not create the economic chaos affecting SL. It isn't the virus but the panic and lock downs that have both helped and hurt SL. The OP asked about twhy the pandemic as the cause. No, I got the point. I just had no idea why you had to give such a winded reply when all she asked was a simple question. I'm sure she appreciated all the.information we've come to expect. However, you really don't need to be so condescending and pretentious in your responses to others. ETA: in case your warming up for another wall of text, save your breath. Edited November 17, 2020 by RowanMinx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Qie Niangao said: If that's what the CDC is saying, they need to get out more. Maybe that's how it looks in the US and Europe now, but essentially all of Asia controlled COVID with one relatively brief lockdown early in the epidemic. New Zealand, too, famously, plus the Canadian COVID-free "Atlantic bubble." Also Australia (aside from the relatively brief and contained Victoria outbreak, the response to which was a triumph) and parts of Africa. Those economies would have completely recovered long ago were it not for their interdependence on areas that instead squandered the lockdown by failing to follow through with the necessary testing and contact tracing to drive Rₜ to 0 and keep it there. COVID should have been eradicated globally by now, had western public health response been even reasonably effective. I hate to say it, but we did have those riots.. and all the protesting.. and then there was spring break and.. well then we had that election... My own home state is a disgusting hotbed for it . My own son has had to be tested 2 times in the past 4 months because of possible contact with people with it. In Orlando, saturday night they went around to 10 TEN bars in the area and NONE were practicing social distancing, no masks, no guards for the bartenders, large groups partying it up. UCF had 3 bars they visited and NONE of them as well were practicing any sort of anything the CDC guidelines suggests. I lost an Aunt a month ago, and my cousin is fighting for his life now. The images out of Tx should SHOCK everyone! We got this WRONG and we are running out of toilet paper again. No wonder Canada shut the doors on us. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-ucf-reports-spike-covid-19-cases-blames-bars-20201013-i7gej7qtyragvbtks2n5igxxje-story.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 15 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said: I did say of the ones you pointed to... Turn the spikes into percentages to compare. The ones I pointed to? I pointed to "Asia." And starting from zero, percentages aren't useful. And anyway, here, what "spikes"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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