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My new laptop is a MacBook Pro with the M1 chip and has 16 GB of memory. I have had no issues so far running Second Life on this. Frame Rates are excellent and everything just works. I have not change

OK guys just to report that I took delivery of my new MBP with the new Apple M1 Silicon and I am very happy to report that Firestorm loaded under Rosetta with absolutely no issues. I checked and the g

I've recently got an M1 Mac Mini, and been comparing it to my old computer, an Intel i5, five years old but with an 8GB graphics card (a 'hackintosh' tower running MacOS Mojave) . I've been getting te

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17 hours ago, Drayke Newall said:

No not at all and any company doing due diligence should look at what others have done. Proposing the idea to their client base (not just a few members that attend a meeting) however, to see whether such an addition to premium would be worth while would bring better results than outright refusing based on other third party company failures.

The primary reason why SLGo for example failed to obtain more users for SL streaming could be attributed to a person having to not only pay for a SL monthly subscription but on top of that the streaming service fee per month. Additionally due to the fact that hardly anyone knew about it due to it being separated from the Lab offering.

Having it part of the subscription model brings it to users as one fee and also can be advertised by LL as part of SL. Not saying this would bring about better results, but you cannot compare the two without putting feelers out into the userbase to see whether it would work or not.

With benefits to both Mobile as well as to low end PC's and  Macs it should be considered far more than it has.

Ah! Now I understand. You have no clue what the Lab's position is or what they have said they are considering.

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Lyssa, I'm not sure what's going on with you, but I've only got 8gb ram, and the same system software. My frame rate drops at some events and busy sites, but things are still significantly better than my old intel MacBook. Right now I'm at Velour with the weekend sales, and there's a lot of other folks here, and I'm wearing an AO, and I have on medium graphic settings with local lights, and I'm getting about 12fps, but items are rezzing quickly and I can move around.

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Looking at the reviews I get the impression that an M1 equipped Mac compares in rendering performance with a Windows computer with a GTX 1050Ti or GTX 1650.  This does indeed put it miles ahead of the computers using the Intel CPU's on-chip graphics, and thus, makes the MacBook (and PCs) with Intel graphics only look sad running Second Life Viewer.  The M1 also does this while consuming much less energy and thus needs less space for cooling apparatus.  I am kind of the opposite of an Apple fan but this new development is very interesting.

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Frustration for me with the M1 and 16 gigs on my M1 Mini!

Thought htis would be an upgrade over my HP interl5 with 8 gigs but QUITE the opposite! Open GL is on....and I drag myself through SL using Firestorm.

 

I would appreciate any advice here or in-world. Thank you!

 

....Geri...:)

 

 

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On 2/20/2021 at 3:07 PM, Ardy Lay said:

Looking at the reviews I get the impression that an M1 equipped Mac compares in rendering performance with a Windows computer with a GTX 1050Ti or GTX 1650.  This does indeed put it miles ahead of the computers using the Intel CPU's on-chip graphics, and thus, makes the MacBook (and PCs) with Intel graphics only look sad running Second Life Viewer.  The M1 also does this while consuming much less energy and thus needs less space for cooling apparatus.  I am kind of the opposite of an Apple fan but this new development is very interesting.

I'm seeing a trend. Apple fans are going to hail it as the best thing since sliced bread, telling people how amazingly fast and humongously better it is than the previous generations of underpowered and overpriced Intel-based Mac (which is all they've known since they never bought a powerful gaming computer), all while ignoring the fact that any 5 year old gaming PC with at least an Intel i3 & Nvidia GTX 960 can still run Second Life better than an M1 Mac. Meanwhile, some will believe the hype and pay an exorbitant price for a product from a 'lifestyle company' (Intel's own words) and come here asking for help.

Now here's the twist: I like the idea of the M1. I think there's potential for a great leap in performance while saving power. The fact is that the Second Life viewer is not yet made to run directly on this new system. I hope LL will port the viewer to the new codebase, but that will take time. We have no idea how much time. Practically all AAA gaming titles are made for AMD/Intel-based processors, whether PCs or consoles. I do not see this changing at all. I would not take claims that the M1 GPU is as good as a GTX 1050 seriously. Apple will always have fans, and there will be software written for this system that is simply amazing. If you use that software, buy the product! If you buy it for Second Life, you've paid way too much for too little return (for the time being).

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Frustration for me with the M1 and 16 gigs on my M1 Mini!

Thought htis would be an upgrade over my HP interl5 with 8 gigs but QUITE the opposite! Open GL is on....and I drag myself through SL using Firestorm.

 

I would appreciate any advice here or in-world. Thank you!

 

....Geri...:)

 

 

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2 hours ago, KjartanEno said:

Meanwhile, some will believe the hype and pay an exorbitant price for a product from a 'lifestyle company' (Intel's own words) ...

Ironically, the new  MacBook Pros with the Intel chips are much higher priced than the new M1's. 

Their base config includes 16gb ram instead of the base 8gb on the M1's but that doesn't account for the full cost difference. I didn't really go into depth regarding specs and performance reports because the M1 Air with the 512 GB hard drive was so close to the specs of the 13" M1 Pro with the same config, at a couple of hundred dollars less, so that made the most sense for me. I wasn't going to pay $1500 to $1800 for a MacBook Pro model when a $1200 MacBook Air gave me everything I needed and wanted.

And...the potential SL user that I'm really addressing is one like me, someone who owns/owned an intel MacBook Pro or Air that was several years old. Someone who is on a Mac for other reasons and would just like decent performance in SL. Not someone who is comparing the M1 with a computer that has specs optimized for SL. Someone who is comparing a MacBook (or maybe a Mac mini) that is a few years old with the M1 version. I think most of those people will be happy with the performance gains.

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On 2/23/2021 at 7:56 AM, KjartanEno said:

I'm seeing a trend. Apple fans are going to hail it as the best thing since sliced bread, telling people how amazingly fast and humongously better it is than the previous generations of underpowered and overpriced Intel-based Mac (which is all they've known since they never bought a powerful gaming computer), all while ignoring the fact that any 5 year old gaming PC with at least an Intel i3 & Nvidia GTX 960 can still run Second Life better than an M1 Mac. Meanwhile, some will believe the hype and pay an exorbitant price for a product from a 'lifestyle company' (Intel's own words) and come here asking for help.

Now here's the twist: I like the idea of the M1. I think there's potential for a great leap in performance while saving power. The fact is that the Second Life viewer is not yet made to run directly on this new system. I hope LL will port the viewer to the new codebase, but that will take time. We have no idea how much time. Practically all AAA gaming titles are made for AMD/Intel-based processors, whether PCs or consoles. I do not see this changing at all. I would not take claims that the M1 GPU is as good as a GTX 1050 seriously. Apple will always have fans, and there will be software written for this system that is simply amazing. If you use that software, buy the product! If you buy it for Second Life, you've paid way too much for too little return (for the time being).

Gee...guess you were wrong about that. Care to make another arrogantly sweeping statement?..:)

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2 minutes ago, Geri Munro said:

Gee...guess you were wrong about that. Care to make another arrogantly sweeping statement?..:)

About what, specifically? I do not disagree with anything in Trinity1776's post. The cost of Intel Macs is high because that's what Apple charges for the whole computer. Anyone who builds computers can buy an Intel Core i7-10700K 8 core/16 thread processor with a motherboard for around US$500. Add RAM, a case, a power supply and accessories, and one has a powerful desktop computer for around US$1000. And if graphics cards were actually selling for MSRP, one could build a very powerful gaming computer for under US$1500 which would STOMP on any Mac of equivalent pricing. :D

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