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Wildly Inaccurate Prim Counts


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Since this morning the various parcels on my mainland sim have been reporting wildly inaccurate prim counts when doing an "About Land" or when obtaining the prim counts via scripting.

One 4096m parcel that I know has 353 prims on it, is now reporting just FOUR prims (!).

NONE of the parcels are reporting the correct number of prims in use. Some counts are off by only a few dozen, some are off by hundreds of prims.

The counts have changed since this morning. At that time, one parcel was reporting just 26 prims (351, actual) and now it is showing as 170.

The counts have remained stable for the last couple hours at least.

Has anybody else been experiencing this?

I expect this is just a temporary glitch somewhere deep in the bowels of LL's program code or databases, but it is a rather startling thing to encounter. I've never seen this before either. I'm not alarmed at this point, but it's the kind of thing that does get your attention. I know there was yet another rolling restart this morning, maybe that's got something to do with it.

 

 

 

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Nice to see someone that doesn`t freak out at the first sign of SL weirdness, I agree its nothing to panic about unless the actual prims start disappearing. lol

I heard some other people in a group chat saying their numbers had gone weird too (out by about 4000 prims) so you could be right about the restarts doing something strange. Are you on an RC sim? Maybe you got a test server this week that has a bug.

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I'm on "Second Life RC Magnum 11.05.23.230743" so I expect you may be right.

In this forum I'm an "Honored Resident" but on my own sim I guess I'm a "Guinea Pig". :matte-motes-silly:

In any event, no, I'm not particularly worried at this point. It's just an annoyance so far. Hopefully it won't get any worse.

Anyway, thank you for replying and establishing that this is not just happening on my one little sim.

That being the case, I expect they'll get around to fixing it sooner rather than later.

 

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Thank you for that tip; it hadn't occurred to me to try something like that.

Unfortunately when I created an object on one of the parcels just now the (incorrect) prim count not only didn't change, but now I'm unable to delete or return the object. Oh dear. I do hope this isn't happening to my renters as well. So far no complaints anyway. Of course, it could simply be the familiar situation where the servers are slow to respond, but if so this is one of the longest delays I've seen.

I think I'm just going to log out and have my morning coffee and hope it all goes away after enough time has passed. I have the same feeling about Justin Bieber. :matte-motes-confused:

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At this point in time I'm able to create objects and delete and return them. Hurray. On the other hand, the object I created earlier still won't allow me to delete or return it. And creating & deleting or returning objects does not magically transform the prim counts into accuracy. Sigh.

Thanks for the tip about the server forum. I guess I'll try that a bit later maybe; right now I'm just feeling too weary. I know I should look on the bright side and be grateful for all the times things do actually work correctly. Really though it's okay, at least things aren't disappearing yet, as you pointed out. SL is entertaining, one way or another. :matte-motes-impatient:

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As well as "Ghost" prims we now have the delights of "Immortal" prims too, the stubborn ones you described sound like they could be immortal. There is a JIRA about them https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6905

They can be cleared by a sim restart in the same way that ghost prims are, I`m not sure yet how they affect prim counts. Ghost prims aren`t included in the numbers on About Land but they do use up  prims, since if you get enough of them you get told parcel is full when it appears there are plenty of prims left.

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Well, it seems patience is having its reward. Since I made the original post in this thread, the prim counts on the parcels on my sim have gradually gotten closer and closer to accuracy. At this point, it appears they are only off by a few prims in most cases. So for whatever reason the problem appears to be self-correcting over time. I expect that after the next rolling restart the likelihood is that the counts will be back to normal, or at least I hope so. The bottom line is that I haven't lost any objects and my renters haven't had any complaints, so, all in all, not so bad as SL glitches go.

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Still not any better on my sim, LL restarted my sim whilst I was sleeping last night  and its worse.  I've no idea how many prims the tenants have placed and they can't use the prim counters because they aren't accurate.  Not happy :matte-motes-crying:

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Dana, I have absolutely no advice on the question, good or bad, (although it seems your issues are if not under control getting there) but I have to tell you I love your attitude and sense of humor about the whole thing. Not to wish any bad luck, but I hope you post the next time something goes wrong, too. :matte-motes-smile:

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Hallelujah! My prim counts are back to normal again. After this morning's restart, the counts are once again accurate. I was hoping that would be the case, but you just never know. Unfortunately, it looks like the restart that fixed my prim count problems may have made other people's problems even worse - see Amanda Dench's post above. Amanda, I sure hope things get better for you soon. It's a difficult situation when the renters start bleating and milling around in confusion. My own tenants don't seem to have noticed that there was any problem, for which I am most thankful.

And according to Arielyn Docherty's post in another thread ("Ready to Set Myself on Fire - When Prim Counts Go Bad") her own prim count problems began with the latest restart. In a reply to her, Maestro Linden says that there were indeed problems with the Magnum server code, which is what my own sim is running on. Well, it's good to know the Linden people are aware of the situation.

To Dillon Levenque, who says she likes my sense of humor, thank you! I appreciate your appreciation, heh. Some people think my sense of humor is about as charming as ants at a picnic, so I'm glad to see that opinion isn't universal. As far as my stoic attitude about SL problems, well, it helps a lot if you've been in SL for a good while. You develop a broader perspective on these things, and you know that if you're patient, the problems will be attended to.

 

 

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