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22 minutes ago, Doc Carling said:

And different genders - allow me do add. lol

A whole lot of things if you ask me but anyway doesn't matter, it is what it is.

Nice work btw,  in a few photos i can notice the neckline, next time try to smudge it slightly.

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I just cropped this one down so that it would play nicer on Flickr.

An old skin from LAQ that is not fully BOM compatible as evidenced by a few imperfections. Someday I'll upgrade.

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8 minutes ago, Nick0678 said:

A whole lot of things if you ask me but anyway doesn't matter, it is what it is.

Nice work btw,  in a few photos i can notice the neckline, next time try to smudge it slightly.

Thanks for the hint. You are right. Well, if you experiment much and  produce often 20, 30 pictures of a set, that goes sometimes on costs of the quality. Shouldn't happen, I know. The few pictures I post here are just the peak of the glacier so to speak.

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Just now, Doc Carling said:

Thanks for the hint. You are right. Well, if you experiment much and  produce often 20, 30 pictures of a set, that goes sometimes on costs of the quality. Shouldn't happen, I know.

No worries i understand that, i used to work a lot with photos in the past as well and it's something normal to happen. Good job, keep it going.

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On 10/13/2020 at 2:55 AM, Doc Carling said:

If that is meant to me, I consider discussions about if a thread might be posted under a wrong headline or about the cleavage size - rather as childish than as thoughtful feedback. Also to abuse other people works for original and copy games. However, you have some trolls here in the forum and you are obviously blind to see that.

No it was a general comment. If it was directed at you I would have quoted or tagged you.

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1 hour ago, AdminGirl said:

No it was a general comment. If it was directed at you I would have quoted or tagged you.

Ah, ok. Just to clarify. The second part of my reply about trolling was a general statement and doesn't mean that I consider you as blind. 😊

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On 10/13/2020 at 12:13 PM, Doc Carling said:

Ah, ok. Just to clarify. The second part of my reply about trolling was a general statement and doesn't mean that I consider you as blind. 😊

I know, it's all good 🙂 I thought it was somewhat true anyway, I tend to only spot trolling when it's too late lol. 

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51 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said:

A male makes a comment about the pictures - critique acceptable and is thanked for it.

A female makes a comment about the pictures - called an abusive troll.

Gotcha!

Surprised?  His views on women were pretty clear in his other thread.

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1 hour ago, Jordan Whitt said:

A male makes a comment about the pictures - critique acceptable and is thanked for it.

A female makes a comment about the pictures - called an abusive troll.

Gotcha!

See, you couldn't wait that I post to troll again. Compare your tone, when you reply with his tone. He found a problem with necklines and told me in a normal objective way. That is the way it works. While you always replay with a teaching  undertone without that you seem to have a clue about the topic we are talking here: comic art. Else you wouldn't mix up fantasy with reality. 

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1 hour ago, RowanMinx said:

Surprised?  His views on women were pretty clear in his other thread.

Even when I repeat it hundred times, you don't get it? My pictures are mainly meant to a male audience. I post them here because this forum is meant for both genders. So whatever you say,  please consider that. Apart from that, your moralic objections sound to me like you never saw a comic or cartoon in your life. I suggest that you look at some comic pictures on web. Anyway, if there were something wrong with my images, the administration had already removed them.

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55 minutes ago, Doc Carling said:

See, you couldn't wait that I post to troll again. Compare your tone, when you reply with his tone. He found a problem with necklines and told me in a normal objective way. That is the way it works. While you always replay with a teaching  undertone without that you seem to have a clue about the topic we are talking here: comic art. Else you wouldn't mix up fantasy with reality. 

No, the topic here is FACES.  My comment was (after pointing out some issues with your editing) that these pictures do not focus on FACES.  I only got nasty when you accused me of being such...and interested in you, when uh not on your nelly. 

And I thought you had given up posting your "art" here.

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5 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said:

No, the topic here is FACES.  My comment was (after pointing out some issues with your editing) that these pictures do not focus on FACES.  I only got nasty when you accused me of being such...and interested in you, when uh not on your nelly. 

And I thought you had given up posting your "art" here.

You know even Presidents don't care what they said yesterday. So why not common people too? And who painted circles on my pictures like we were in a kindergarten where Miss Doe corrects the picture of little John? lol  You know art or not art. Who decides that? It lies in the eye of the beholder, doesn't it?

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4 minutes ago, Doc Carling said:

And who painted circles on my pictures like we were in a kindergarten where Miss Doe corrects the picture of little John? lol

I did...to draw your attention to what you obviously missed when you edited and posted the picture.  And it's Miss Whitt, thank you.

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2 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said:

I did...to draw your attention to what you obviously missed when you edited and posted the picture.  And it's Miss Whitt, thank you.

And my name is not John. lol Perhaps the method how you draw attention is the problem?

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13 minutes ago, Doc Carling said:

And my name is not John. lol Perhaps the method how you draw attention is the problem?

No worries.  I gave feedback when it was asked for, but I won't make that mistake again.  I won't bother looking at or critiquing your "art" again and shall leave you to your "male audience".

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This time a tried something new. Still Maitreya meshbody, still classic skin, but a bento head. I use it with my own shape and built the face expression, head/neck angle, mouth opening and eyes position with the Letlutka Axis Hud.  Well, my first attempt. But I'm a already convinced that this HUD is very usefull. Shame on me that I didn't discover it earlier. lol

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On 10/16/2020 at 8:52 PM, Doc Carling said:

Even when I repeat it hundred times, you don't get it? My pictures are mainly meant to a male audience. I post them here because this forum is meant for both genders. So whatever you say,  please consider that. Apart from that, your moralic objections sound to me like you never saw a comic or cartoon in your life. I suggest that you look at some comic pictures on web. Anyway, if there were something wrong with my images, the administration had already removed them.

Doc, appealing to the sexist practices of another genre, comic books (which are notoriously sexist in their depictions of women, although that's slowly changing) to validate your own is not actually a very effective strategy. "Well, they do it too!" doesn't cut it as justification for what you are doing.

Nor does "this is meant for men only." You might just as well say "These pics are only meant for people who like women's boobs; any critique of them from someone who isn't part of that demographic is therefore invalid."

Can I suggest that you are also selling your target audience short? Defining male tastes exclusively by their supposed or imagined desire to see semi-clad and highly sexualized women manages to reduce the entire gender to the status of puerile pubescents. You and I both know that is not the case.

Why not be a bit more edgy and innovative? Rather than merely reproduce the 70s era sexism of comic books, why not take the genre in a different direction? It's what the best comic artists are trying to do now in their own genre -- introducing women- and trans-positive characters and narratives, for instance. Maybe, dare to be a little different, rather than clinging to a now badly outdated aesthetic sensibility?

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6 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Doc, appealing to the sexist practices of another genre, comic books (which are notoriously sexist in their depictions of women, although that's slowly changing) to validate your own is not actually a very effective strategy. "Well, they do it too!" doesn't cut it as justification for what you are doing.

Well, at first I don't need to justify anything. :) Second erotic comics are a part of the genre. It's like you say, oh, porn is displaying women nude, but that's slowly changing. Soon we have porn where women are fully dressed. And third at the first place I do it because I like to do it. That's it. I value your opinion, but please don't forget you are just 1 voice of how many people are living on earth? I'm sure you don't think that you represent them all. Your suggestions what I should rather do  is what YOU find approbiate and what mirrors YOUR worldview. That's normal. However,  my worldview is different. I please you to accept that. :)

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7 minutes ago, Doc Carling said:

Well, at first I don't need to justify anything. :) Second erotic comics are a part of the genre. It's like you say, oh, porn is displaying women nude, but that's slowly changing. Soon we have porn where women are fully dressed. And third at the first place I do it because I like to do it. That's it. I value your opinion, but please don't forget you are just 1 voice of how many people are living on earth? I'm sure you don't think that you represent them all. Your suggestions what I should rather do  is what YOU find approbiate and what mirrors YOUR worldview. That's normal. However,  my worldview is different. I please you to accept that. :)

And responding "Well, that's just your opinion" is rather pointless too?

We have discussions in places like this so that we can learn from each other, and provide a broader perspective -- our perspective -- to others who don't have access to it. I listen to what you say, and I respond to it; my responses account for the things you say, and either agree, or offer alternative perspectives. That's how discussion works.

I have gained immeasurably by hearing and listening to people who have different viewpoints from my own. For instance, I've learned to actually value your idea of using SL photography to reproduce the look and feel of comics. I think it's a cool idea. But that doesn't mean that I need to agree with everything about your approach to it. I would hope that you are listening and think about what Jordan, Rowan, and I are saying here. You don't necessarily need to agree with it -- but if you don't, you should be able to come up with a better reason for your differing opinion than "This is what I think, so there!"

This is how we learn. There's literally no point in talking to each other if our only response is "Well, this is my opinion, and that's yours, and that's all there is to it." We might just as well converse with a mirror.

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22 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

And responding "Well, that's just your opinion" is rather pointless too?

We have discussions in places like this so that we can learn from each other, and provide a broader perspective -- our perspective -- to others who don't have access to it. I listen to what you say, and I respond to it; my responses account for the things you say, and either agree, or offer alternative perspectives. That's how discussion works.

I have gained immeasurably by hearing and listening to people who have different viewpoints from my own. For instance, I've learned to actually value your idea of using SL photography to reproduce the look and feel of comics. I think it's a cool idea. But that doesn't mean that I need to agree with everything about your approach to it. I would hope that you are listening and think about what Jordan, Rowan, and I are saying here. You don't necessarily need to agree with it -- but if you don't, you should be able to come up with a better reason for your differing opinion than "This is what I think, so there!"

This is how we learn. There's literally no point in talking to each other if our only response is "Well, this is my opinion, and that's yours, and that's all there is to it." We might just as well converse with a mirror.

Well, I'm glad that you find some of my ideas useful. But again you try to set me under moral pressure. What you guys do is reasonable and right, and what I do is all wrong. lol Ok, you want to hear what I really think about Jordan, Rowan and you? You guys lack flexibility, are obviously unable to take things easy and perhaps you are just to prudish to enjoy erotic and sexuality. Is that better and more clear? Apart from that I'm absolute sure not every women here in the forum and on earth is sharing your ethics and morally sights. They just don't see a reason to post it or too say it loud. Are you aware of that?

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1 minute ago, Doc Carling said:

You guys lack flexibility, are obviously unable to take things easy and perhaps you are just to prudish to enjoy your sexuality. Is that better and more clear?

Wow. And LOL How really insulting.

Um, no, Doc. Have you seen Rowan's Flickr? Not exactly prudish. I also do nudes of myself.

The idea that a woman who doesn't accept a man's view of her sexuality is therefore "frigid" or a "prude" is a pretty ancient one. Perhaps you should emerge into the new century?

How about this instead: we don't want our sexuality defined by you. As women, we will be sexual in our own way, and we utterly reject your prepubescent view of our sexuality. My own sexuality is a very important component of who I am. It is strong, dynamic, imaginative, and most importantly self-determined.

It will not be reduced to the status of "girly pics" for you to fap to.

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