sooby Mills Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Hi.. I tried the Legacy body demo and I noticed my avi seemed to be *breathing*... Her chest seemed to be moving up and down.. I'm sure I had no AO on, And I was on a pose stand which doesn't have this..Can anyone tell me is this a feature of the body or not? Thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Very likely. I picked up a demo Legacy (male) body, rezzed it in a no-scripts sandbox for a good look inside, and found dozens of animations as well as a script called ".animation" (among many others). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 @Rolig Loon is exactly right. Just to make sure, I put on that demo in that no-scripts sandbox, and it "breathed" same as the classic, non-mesh avatar, so that must be the built-in breathing animation working on the mesh body. (That's in contrast to built-in facial expression morphs that don't affect mesh heads. That's to be expected, actually, because of the difference between anims and morphs.) That said, the mesh body does have a whole host of scripted AO animations inside. Not sure if they're any good, but might be worth lifting them from the demo to see how they look. The Legacy demo vendor charged me a non-refunded L$1, so I feel I should get something out of the deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Aeon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The question ALSO is -- how do these built in animations work with AOs and other animations and poses. Any pose or animation "can "breathe" fairly easily (or by mistake when you are learning). If the animations included are saved in a high priority then they might override the poses and animation that folks want to use. The Legacy Hud might have a way to turn them off (hopefully). Not a fan so don't care personally. Long memory :D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) The only animations I'm aware of in Legacy are in the pregnant version. The stance is different which you CAN shut off with the hud I believe. Edited September 9, 2020 by RowanMinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Chic Aeon said: The question ALSO is -- how do these built in animations work with AOs and other animations and poses. It's my understanding that the small subset of animations in that table I presented in my last post are not "internal animations" but "viewer-generated motions" that are hard-coded into the viewer. They cannot be replaced or overridden, so it doesn't matter what priority they have. I'm not even sure that priority is a relevant concept with those. It's possible that some friendly Linden (like @Rider Linden, maybe?) could verify that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Aeon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said: It's my understanding that the small subset of animations in that table I presented in my last post are not "internal animations" but "viewer-generated motions" that are hard-coded into the viewer. They cannot be replaced or overridden, so it doesn't matter what priority they have. I'm not even sure that priority is a relevant concept with those. It's possible that some friendly Linden (like @Rider Linden, maybe?) could verify that. OK I was wondering about the default animations in the viewer BUT BUT BUT LOL -- things in that list above like head and torso rotation to follow look CAN be negated. (I have had that turned off in Firestorm for many years). And I have no "body roll during flight". So I guess I am not understanding what you area saying. All you need to do when making an animation to "stop" the underlying default ones is to have keyframe(s) that change the default from 0 to something else for that bone or bones. Then your animation overrides the defaults. This is one of the first things new animators come up against and wonder why there POSE isn't really static. It is because they have left some bone info as default and not defined. Back in the day LAP poses sometimes had two versions, one with static head (like most are now) and a free head one that used the underlying animations. So maybe I am just confused - or have no idea what I am talking about. Edited September 9, 2020 by Chic Aeon spelling and adding info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Chic Aeon said: OK I was wondering about the default animations in the viewer BUT BUT BUT LOL -- things in that list above like head and torso rotation to follow look CAN be negated. (I have had that turned off in Firestorm for many years). And I have no "body roll during flight". So I guess I am not understanding what you area saying. All you need to do when making an animation to "stop" the underlying default ones is to have keyframe(s) that change the default from 0 to something else for that bone or bones. Then your animation overrides the defaults. This is one of the first things new animators come up against and wonder why there POSE isn't really static. It is because they have left some bone info as default and not defined. Back in the day LAP poses sometimes had two versions, one with static head (like most are now) and a free head one that used the underlying animations. So maybe I am just confused - or have no idea what I am talking about. The OP was talking about the Legacy body "breathing" with the demo. Rolig was explaining that our default avatars have basic movement viewer side which was probably what the OP was seeing. Legacy, itself, had no breathing animation built in. Edited September 9, 2020 by RowanMinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Chic Aeon said: So maybe I am just confused - or have no idea what I am talking about. I'm sure we both are, which is why it would be nice to have a Linden voice to clarify things. My guess -- purely a guess -- is that you have been able to turn off some of those viewer-generated motions in Firestorm because the Firestorm developers have added that capability in their viewer. What I was saying is that there's no way that you can override or replace them with an AO. An AO manipulates animations with LSL scripting, which cannot modify the viewer's own coding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Aeon Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Rolig Loon said: I'm sure we both are, which is why it would be nice to have a Linden voice to clarify things. My guess -- purely a guess -- is that you have been able to turn off some of those viewer-generated motions in Firestorm because the Firestorm developers have added that capability in their viewer. What I was saying is that there's no way that you can override or replace them with an AO. An AO manipulates animations with LSL scripting, which cannot modify the viewer's own coding. BUT. I can make a pose or an animation that will run and override head movement and turning and likely most of the things that "seem" to be in the list. So yes, some clarification would be good -- although the LL devs might not know what the Legacy folks are doing -- or trying to do. We are SUCH curious folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooby Mills Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 Thank you so much for your input boys and girls..I really appreciate it! 13 hours ago, RowanMinx said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooby Mills Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 OOps..Maybe i messed up my reply..Thanks everyone for the input..I appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 How rude to put in a breathing animation. I mean really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Tarina Sewell said: How rude to put in a breathing animation. I mean really! Must really screw up corpse / zombie role play. Hmm. Anticipating Halloween, do ghosts breathe? Do angels? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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