acceptable forms of discrimination

[Coffee Pancake]

15 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:

basicly you could share it under already existing anti lag activities as script meters and Render Cost checking.

Scripted solutions to avatar based "lag" took development tools for scripters and turned them on random people, creating a worst possible case revolving door effect. Any negative impact an avatar's script memory usage could possibly have on a region is insignificant next to the overhead of unpacking an avatars state, adding that avatar (and all attachments) to everyone else's downloads, and then repacking it and ejecting them when deemed unworthy.

Script meters are snake oil made by people who should know better, for profit, with blatant disregard for actual consequences.

Even script meters that are purely informational are resource intensive and encourage socially negative behaviors (naming & shaming, land owner paranoia).

This is why we are unlikely to get more scripted ways to probe avatar metrics.

This is why the SL scripting sandbox is generally limited.

[Paul Hexem]

11 hours ago, Chroma Starlight said:

What if it's a conspiracy of people so hell-belt to get at you that they will crash governments, end civilization, start wars, or spread plagues just in hopes of removing you as an individual or as an idea from the world? What if they broadcast their message in every city and town across a country? What if they form alliances and affiliations organized primarily on the principle of removing your culture from the world? What if they're chasing you out of your community, your job, your life? You rebuild and it happens again because they are legion and spreading like virii? I suppose you're just supposed to keep abandoning your life and fleeing like a refugee who never gets to own anything, develop in the ways that require stability and certainty, never has agency because the agents of malaise systemically oppress it with 1001 cuts and indignities and losses? What then when waters are lapping at the doors of your life ready to subsume?

... The Crusades?

What army is chasing you? Did they invade your country to do it? Where's your country's military? Is this an 80's movie where you're alone against a thousand people and you never have to reload, like Stallone?

Somehow, I think you're exaggerating.

 

11 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Spoken a little bit like someone who has never found himself on the receiving end of really pervasive and intrusive discrimination? Maybe?

I won't lie and say I'm a minority, but I've certainly been excluded because of my physical attributes. Is it fun? No. Did I dwell? No. I went and did something productive and left them in their ignorance, and lived a happy, productive life without ever knowing what became of them.

[Sukubia Scarmon]

11 hours ago, cunomar said:

oops did i offend you princess , is the sky not blue or was it your wrongly assuming i had a very mild dig at a specific nationality rather than the international "woke" crowd . Or is it because my views don't match yours 100% verbatim 🙄

Incidentally my previous comment relates to things i witnessed when i had a very positive attitude towards SL never judging anybody , trying to cheer them up , encouraging , and devoting far too much time to being a shoulder to cry on .

I challenge you to find anyone in SL who feels i betrayed their trust , and i thank you for proving my point so perfectly .

Incidentally i have been banned from 3 places in my 3 years , the first time i chilled and chatted there a few times a week for about 7 months before a complete stranger booted me and followed up with a heap of abuse . Shrugs , can't complain about that given that sim very specifically states "no male avs" and i was very obviously a male av even if i was wearing a dress all that time 😁.

2nd place was pretty much my full time hangout for over a year until i blocked someone who seemed to think i had a sacred duty to adore them even if i didn't like them and the block resulted in an obsessive vendetta which had me banned and followed from sim to sim until i quit walking and talking .

3rd place (the vendetta followed me there but i was still ignoring) it hands up i didn't read the rules so i spent a few months there chatting and getting along with people learning only after i got booted that i had been breaking the dress code all the while i'd been there

As i said my "reverse" suggestion is likely impossible to implement , it was offered merely as a suggestion that LL can touch the untouchables some of whom could do with a reminder in humility . 

 

Cunomar: People are too easily offended!
Syo: you sound like someone that likes to offend.
Cunomar: *is offended and tries to defend themself*

Mhm. That's an interesting exchange. 

[Ceka Cianci]

Acceptable form of discrimination:

Me reaching through the intranets and Biotchslappin someone just b'cause intranet user..Them thinking,

Wow awesome!!  Intranet has Sensitive Touch now!! \o/

 

Edited September 25, 2020 by Ceka Cianci

[Syo Emerald]

11 hours ago, cunomar said:

As i said my "reverse" suggestion is likely impossible to implement , it was offered merely as a suggestion that LL can touch the untouchables some of whom could do with a reminder in humility . 

Its not only impossible, it wouldn't make sense at all. 

People who pay for land have a say on who can be there and who can't. Your suggestion would essentially revoke that right. It would make it impossible to enforce rules on sims and open all doors to griefers. Imagine not being able to ban someone, who harasses you on your land.

You can always get land for yourself and join the so called "untouchables".

You got into drama, violated some sim rules and are unhappy with the result. Sounds like a personal problem, not something LL needs to get involved with. And with your unnecessary attitude shown here on the forums, I doubt you are in the victim role at all.

[cunomar]

45 minutes ago, Sukubia Scarmon said:

Cunomar: People are too easily offended!
Syo: you sound like someone that likes to offend.
Cunomar: *is offended and tries to defend themself*

Mhm. That's an interesting exchange. 

I'm not offended , i ran out of smiles to share or **cks to give hence this might be the longest online conversation i have had in over a year , its certainly the most coherent .

And the reason - my tolerance is all used up , if i can't be a positive influence i anyone's second life because of the way i feel then i don't want to be an influence at all .

I am talking here because i would hope the forum does not impinge on anyone's inworld escapism but as we can see even here for some freedom of expression is a one way street .

[Theresa Tennyson]

17 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:

No difference.

There's always going to be people that don't like X, whatever X is.

Now, X can spend their entire lives fighting with that selection of people that don't like them, or move on and live happy, productive lives that aren't influenced by the people that don't like them.

So again I reiterate, being able to shrug and move on isn't taught enough anymore, because we're too busy coddling people and telling them that they're the most special and everyone has to like them or risk being cancelled!

Where does, "Or they can anonymously troll (their word) forums for some sort of spiritual comfort" fall into that spectrum?

[BilliJo Aldrin]

10 hours ago, iceing Braveheart said:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/i-was-never-evil-monster-until-you-decided-i-was

I clicked the source link.

Thank you, that page is bookmarked now.

[Lyssa Greymoon]

11 hours ago, iceing Braveheart said:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/i-was-never-evil-monster-until-you-decided-i-was

Evil monsters don’t start being evil when they’re called out for it.

[Chroma Starlight]

7 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:

... The Crusades?

What army is chasing you? Did they invade your country to do it? Where's your country's military? Is this an 80's movie where you're alone against a thousand people and you never have to reload, like Stallone?

Somehow, I think you're exaggerating.

 

I won't lie and say I'm a minority, but I've certainly been excluded because of my physical attributes. Is it fun? No. Did I dwell? No. I went and did something productive and left them in their ignorance, and lived a happy, productive life without ever knowing what became of them.

Oh, you may not have gotten the memo. The major beacons of freedom across the planet have been targeted by an international hard-right fascist conspiracy to subvert liberal democracy and roll back any political or economic or social progress of the last half-century and erect in its place a monotheistic misogynistic psychopathic endlessly raping degrading world of neocolonialism, extraction, enslavement, atrocity, disempowerment, hopelessness, squalor, meaninglessness, harmful traumatic loss, and spiritual misery.

All the good things that generations of our society had worked so painstakingly to build for us to live well, the most defining things that make this civilization what and who it is, have been systemically attacked, and these mad barbarians have been firing for effect. Every step of the way, nothing adequate has been done to stop these assaults which have so badly swamped all the world  since Gore V Bush failed and their insurrection grapped power. It's been a crazy extralegal trip at the barrel of a shotgun the entire way ever since.

You could try being any of the following things in the United States of America these last four decades:

• a true believer in all the spiritual implications of the Enlightenment Age's cultic dedication to liberty and equality
• LGBTQI
• non-white or non-male or non-abrahamicjudeochristian
• Someone who believes that elections must be fair in order for the resulting government to be legitimate and credible, and someone who believes that governments must be credible and answerable to higher authority on absolute issues of Universal Human Rights and equal rights of all, and someone who believes that justice must first and foremost preserve collective rights and the Earth itself from the abuses of power.
• A sufferer of conditions related to prior trauma or abuse from a guardian or authority figure without a means of escape or help.' (Abusive POTUS feels exactly same as reliving abusive parent, old deep triggers endlessly tickled by failed government, without escape. Without escape! Without escape for a decade and more!).
• A member of the public who requires access to health care without it being a threat to their or their family's financial health.
• A member of the public who suffers disease caused by dangers our failed system of regulation would have reduced or eliminated without the subversion and corruption of Federal regulatory capture.
• Someone who has studied the cycles of human history enough to begin to understand in a basic way the universal shapes and fundamental properties that emerge from unchecked pathological human behavior, ideology, and inequity.
• Someone who believes that their happiness and their wellness are natural rights and movements that degrade them on ideological grounds lack legitimacy.
• Someone who needs class mobility because their parents self-destructed, "found God' (darkness), and destroyed their families with hard right ideology and madness.
• Someone who needs to not watch our planet die a psychopathic violent death by mass-scale industrial poisoning. This planet is literally our creator, embodied. It was always our only hope, without it we have nothing, we are nothing. When we degrade it, we degrade the beauty of the cosmos and most of all we degrade ourselves.
• Someone who needs hope believing that the madness of ungovernable anarchic capitalism and piracy will end, there will be peace and goodwill among men on earth, and we will ascend and take our places among the stars.

This entire thing, since 2000, has been a completely intolerable sequence of abuses, deprivations, degredations, and traumatizations and shocks. I have never at any point in my adult life just been allowed to be well and fluorish, again and again the rug has been pulled out from under us all by this wrongful extreme ideological occupation of what was supposed to be liberal democracy. Every time we think we're figured out the newest varation of 'hard mode' for the world being set by these madmen and begin to make progress anew, there is a novel violent upheavel of the paradigms of life and the consternation and harm scatters the fire and douses the light again and again, leaving us stumbling, blind, confused, dismayed in life again and again and again. We want to be spiritual creatures and celebrate the wonder that is life, and they keep throwing on the yoke of enslavement, cognitive dissonance, exploitation, and treating us all like beasts.

History, and the last decades, have shown us that they will not stop, these enemies of modern global civilization, and they will never stop until they have been stopped with a finality. It's been like this every time in history, we should have stopped this twenty years ago, we should have stopped this fifteen years ago, we should have stopped this ten years ago, we should have stopped this five years ago. This is literally destroying the lives of entire generations and the entire planet. It's creeping madness and the only way to stop it is to stop it.

Why do you deny? Why don't you care? Why do you troll? Does that give you back the world and the life and the wellness that they stole and still exfiltrate from you? What will denial, inaction, and the diversion of others from realizations about the state of this world accomplish, Paul? Wouldn't it be better to say nothing at all than to falsely minimize actual atrocity? After all, you might influence someone. You do not want to be a part of the darkness that is attacking this world.
 

Edited September 25, 2020 by Chroma Starlight

[LittleMe Jewell]

5 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

 

Me reaching through the intranets and Biotchslappin someone 

 

OMG, how I soooo wish this were possible.

 

Then again, since I tend to be rather blunt, with little tolerance for some types of behavior, I'd probably be getting slapped as often as I was slapping others.

[Ceka Cianci]

24 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

OMG, how I soooo wish this were possible.

 

Then again, since I tend to be rather blunt, with little tolerance for some types of behavior, I'd probably be getting slapped as often as I was slapping others.

I'll just get a second monitor that diverts all my incoming slaps to that one and put it next to mah butt.. hehehehe

[Silent Mistwalker]

7 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Acceptable form of discrimination:

Me reaching through the intranets and Biotchslappin someone just b'cause intranet user..Them thinking,

Wow awesome!!  Intranet has Sensitive Touch now!! \o/

 

Some years ago a company was in the process of developing a means of being able to feel a partner's touch (and more) during cybersex. Last I knew they were about to release it on the market. Sadly, it's been so long I don't remember the product name or company name.

But yeah, it's out there, somewhere. lol

[Paul Hexem]

3 hours ago, Chroma Starlight said:

Oh, you may not have gotten the memo. The major beacons of freedom across the planet have been targeted by an international hard-right fascist conspiracy to subvert liberal democracy and roll back any political or economic or social progress of the last half-century and erect in its place a monotheistic misogynistic psychopathic endlessly raping degrading world of neocolonialism, extraction, enslavement, atrocity, disempowerment, hopelessness, squalor, meaninglessness, harmful traumatic loss, and spiritual misery.

All the good things that generations of our society had worked so painstakingly to build for us to live well, the most defining things that make this civilization what and who it is, have been systemically attacked, and these mad barbarians have been firing for effect. Every step of the way, nothing adequate has been done to stop these assaults which have so badly swamped all the world  since Gore V Bush failed and their insurrection grapped power. It's been a crazy extralegal trip at the barrel of a shotgun the entire way ever since.

You could try being any of the following things in the United States of America these last four decades:

• a true believer in all the spiritual implications of the Enlightenment Age's cultic dedication to liberty and equality
• LGBTQI
• non-white or non-male or non-abrahamicjudeochristian
• Someone who believes that elections must be fair in order for the resulting government to be legitimate and credible, and someone who believes that governments must be credible and answerable to higher authority on absolute issues of Universal Human Rights and equal rights of all, and someone who believes that justice must first and foremost preserve collective rights and the Earth itself from the abuses of power.
• A sufferer of conditions related to prior trauma or abuse from a guardian or authority figure without a means of escape or help.' (Abusive POTUS feels exactly same as reliving abusive parent, old deep triggers endlessly tickled by failed government, without escape. Without escape! Without escape for a decade and more!).
• A member of the public who requires access to health care without it being a threat to their or their family's financial health.
• A member of the public who suffers disease caused by dangers our failed system of regulation would have reduced or eliminated without the subversion and corruption of Federal regulatory capture.
• Someone who has studied the cycles of human history enough to begin to understand in a basic way the universal shapes and fundamental properties that emerge from unchecked pathological human behavior, ideology, and inequity.
• Someone who believes that their happiness and their wellness are natural rights and movements that degrade them on ideological grounds lack legitimacy.
• Someone who needs class mobility because their parents self-destructed, "found God' (darkness), and destroyed their families with hard right ideology and madness.
• Someone who needs to not watch our planet die a psychopathic violent death by mass-scale industrial poisoning. This planet is literally our creator, embodied. It was always our only hope, without it we have nothing, we are nothing. When we degrade it, we degrade the beauty of the cosmos and most of all we degrade ourselves.
• Someone who needs hope believing that the madness of ungovernable anarchic capitalism and piracy will end, there will be peace and goodwill among men on earth, and we will ascend and take our places among the stars.

This entire thing, since 2000, has been a completely intolerable sequence of abuses, deprivations, degredations, and traumatizations and shocks. I have never at any point in my adult life just been allowed to be well and fluorish, again and again the rug has been pulled out from under us all by this wrongful extreme ideological occupation of what was supposed to be liberal democracy. Every time we think we're figured out the newest varation of 'hard mode' for the world being set by these madmen and begin to make progress anew, there is a novel violent upheavel of the paradigms of life and the consternation and harm scatters the fire and douses the light again and again, leaving us stumbling, blind, confused, dismayed in life again and again and again. We want to be spiritual creatures and celebrate the wonder that is life, and they keep throwing on the yoke of enslavement, cognitive dissonance, exploitation, and treating us all like beasts.

History, and the last decades, have shown us that they will not stop, these enemies of modern global civilization, and they will never stop until they have been stopped with a finality. It's been like this every time in history, we should have stopped this twenty years ago, we should have stopped this fifteen years ago, we should have stopped this ten years ago, we should have stopped this five years ago. This is literally destroying the lives of entire generations and the entire planet. It's creeping madness and the only way to stop it is to stop it.

Why do you deny? Why don't you care? Why do you troll? Does that give you back the world and the life and the wellness that they stole and still exfiltrate from you? What will denial, inaction, and the diversion of others from realizations about the state of this world accomplish, Paul? Wouldn't it be better to say nothing at all than to falsely minimize actual atrocity? After all, you might influence someone. You do not want to be a part of the darkness that is attacking this world.
 

I'm pretty sure you just described the plot of one of the Mad Max sequels. It's amazing the lights are still on in my house, it's absolute chaos out there! Who's even running these SL servers with all the mad barbarians destroying civilization? How is this forum up? With conditions like you're describing, society is gone. At least I don't have to worry about my bills anymore.

... Unless you're exaggerating. Maybe I should pay this month's bills anyway, just in case.

[Paul Hexem]

6 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Where does, "Or they can anonymously troll (their word) forums for some sort of spiritual comfort" fall into that spectrum?

If it makes you happy and nobody gets hurt, I say go for it.

[Chroma Starlight]

2 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said:

I'm pretty sure you just described the plot of one of the Mad Max sequels. It's amazing the lights are still on in my house, it's absolute chaos out there! Who's even running these SL servers with all the mad barbarians destroying civilization? How is this forum up? With conditions like you're describing, society is gone. At least I don't have to worry about my bills anymore.

... Unless you're exaggerating. Maybe I should pay this month's bills anyway, just in case.

This sort of diversion does not work when hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered by madness.

[Ceka Cianci]

1 hour ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

Some years ago a company was in the process of developing a means of being able to feel a partner's touch (and more) during cybersex. Last I knew they were about to release it on the market. Sadly, it's been so long I don't remember the product name or company name.

But yeah, it's out there, somewhere. lol

I'm unna need diss much touch powers for my ebil  intranets scrimination plans..

😈

[Silent Mistwalker]

17 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I'm unna need diss much touch powers for my ebil  intranets scrimination plans..

😈

Next you'll be blowing up excessive machines like Barbarella.

 

[Ceka Cianci]

24 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

Next you'll be blowing up excessive machines like Barbarella.

 

I never seen that before, but I'm going to have to now..hehehe

[Paul Hexem]

2 hours ago, Chroma Starlight said:

This sort of diversion does not work when hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered by madness.

Well, hopefully the mad murderers will go for the lawyers and bill collectors next.

[LittleMe Jewell]

Just now, Paul Hexem said:

2 hours ago, Chroma Starlight said:

This sort of diversion does not work when hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered by madness.

Well, hopefully the mad murderers will go for the lawyers and bill collectors next.

And politicians please

[Chroma Starlight]

7 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

And politicians please

Yeah, and then you turn around and stone cold hard reality is still standing there, staring at you,

[Kyrah Abattoir]

On 9/24/2020 at 10:55 PM, cunomar said:

Incidentally i have been banned from 3 places in my 3 years

Funny enough I have yet to get banned (other than through association) from anywhere in 16 years.

I wonder why.

[Luna Bliss]

On 9/25/2020 at 8:29 AM, Chroma Starlight said:

History, and the last decades, have shown us that they will not stop, these enemies of modern global civilization, and they will never stop until they have been stopped with a finality. It's been like this every time in history, we should have stopped this twenty years ago,

It appears to be a mindset some humans fall prey to when times are tough, and though we are often able to fight back the manifestations of authoritarianism when it rears its ugly head the psychological tendency to fall victim to the dynamic always remains. So it's a never-ending battle. I agree, it's scary what has been happening all over the world, and we are on a dangerous precipice in the US.

Democracy is fragile. As John Quincy Adams wrote in 1814, “Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet, that did not commit suicide.”

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/trump-america-authoritarianism-420681

[Talligurl]

On 9/8/2020 at 11:59 AM, Syo Emerald said:

I always assume 90% of all "lesbians" in SL are actually dudes.

And probably and even higher percentage of "lesbians" who ban male avatars from their sims are.