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I'm more concerned about them promoting dragons.. I mean who wants a dragon showing up in their yard? Not me that's for sure.. I bet it would be pretty scary trying to yell, Get off my grass!!\o/

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3 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:
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3 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

A giant spider with a big ole spider willy..Now that would be way worse I think..Cause I don't want them on my grass either and their prevert intentions..

Wtf kinds of spiders do you have creeping about your place?

Just something I came across on the MP when I typed in animesh..hehehehe

I thought about going to search the MP, but then decided I probably didn't want to know the details.

 

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6 hours ago, Cinos Field said:

Assuming that you're not aware of SL culture, the kind of slavery those sims do isn't the unpaid labor kind. It's more like "oh yes, master, please enslave me".

i.e. consensual kinkiness.

I beg to differ. I occasionally (Every couple of months) do come across sims that claim to be re-enacting the era of slavery that go as far as letting people play as a white slave owner or a black slave with rules and etiquette for the slave. One was even appropriately titled “The Cotton Fields”. 

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6 hours ago, teassyboy said:

Is it normal that some SL sims are promoting slavery?

I have never encountered any sims that promote slavery, so based on that, I'd say no, it's not normal.

Roleplay is not the same as promoting.

6 hours ago, teassyboy said:

Doesn't that mean that SL promotes slavery at large?

No.

If you're roleplaying as a troll in sl, does that mean sl promotes trolling at large?

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4 hours ago, seeno29 said:

i.e. mental issues

 

3 hours ago, seeno29 said:

Syo Emerald, Zack Massiel, I don't wanna ignore you, so I'm telling you just drop it please, because I'm not gonna explain, thank you.

If you don't want people to comment on things you say, then maybe don't say them on a public forum, especially something insulting enough to spark a reaction.

Obviously you're free to express your opinions however you like, but just know that others are also free to comment. Cause and effect.

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19 minutes ago, ItHadToComeToThis said:

I beg to differ. I occasionally (Every couple of months) do come across sims that claim to be re-enacting the era of slavery that go as far as letting people play as a white slave owner or a black slave with rules and etiquette for the slave. One was even appropriately titled “The Cotton Fields”. 

Yeah, I could point you to several such places. It is, to put it mildly, walking a very fine line between legit RP and outright racist violations of the TOS.

I HATE OPs like this one, because, with the very best of intentions, they crudely reduce a very complicated issue, usually, to a very simplistic correlation of SL and RL. SL slavery can be abusive, it can be racist and most often is sexist (i.e. the prevalence of Gor, and lots of "slave den" places) -- but the relationship of such RP to real social harm is very very complex.

If we didn't, at some level, and to some degree, believe that RP can cause social harm (by reinforcing stereotypes, fetishizing and legitimizing destructive beliefs and behaviours, etc.), then we wouldn't (the vast majority of us, anyway) support the banning of RP built around the sexualization of minors. We most of us think that's awful . . . even though it almost certainly never harms real minors.

The same issues surround the RP of slavery, as well as racism, sexism, homophobia, and so forth: there is the potential that they do reinforce negative belief systems.

But it's a huge leap from that acknowledgment, to the idea that they should therefore be "banned." That's much too crude a response.

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To the OP, or OPs plural:

Your logic is faulty, sir or madam.  The fact that there are regions that hold "slave auctions" does not mean that it's gone beyond roleplay.  Other regions support Star Wars roleplay, or Avatar (the movie) roleplay.  Still others have childbirth facilities, to enhance pregnancy/childbirth roleplay.  It's just more and bigger props, and a larger stage.  If you don't like a particular sort of roleplay...don't go to those places!

To my dear friend Scylla:

Yes, the possibility exists for any sort of roleplay to justify or encourage that type of belief or even behavior.  That's very very bad.  But I agree with you that prohibiting it is not the answer.  Not only does it mean that someone (LL) now has to be arbiter of right and wrong, it's an infringement on freedom of expression.  I deplore that sort of expression, but I abhor censorship more.

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4 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:

If you don't like a particular sort of roleplay...don't go to those places!

And your view on RP that sexualizes, and depicts the sexual activity of, minors? Assuming that there are no real minors involved in the RP?

I have asked this question so many times, and never received a satisfactory or logical answer; I thought I'd try one more time.

And no, I am emphatically not making an argument for permitting kiddie porn in SL -- I am merely at a loss to understand why, when identical principles are actually at stake, we are so adamant that, for instance, deeply misogynist role play is "fine" and causes no harm, but anything sexual that involves minors is dangerous and should be banned.

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Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I am merely at a loss to understand why, when identical principles are actually at stake, we are so adamant that, for instance, deeply misogynist role play is "fine" and causes no harm, but anything that minors is dangerous and should be banned.

We didn't (LL didn't, that is) used to make a distinction.  But the kiddie pr0n got a lot of bad press and fell afoul of German law, so LL took action.  Yes, the ongoing distinction is cause for head scratching.  No, it's not logically consistent.  But, here we are.

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1 minute ago, Lindal Kidd said:

We didn't (LL didn't, that is) used to make a distinction.  But the kiddie pr0n got a lot of bad press and fell afoul of German law, so LL took action.  Yes, the ongoing distinction is cause for head scratching.  No, it's not logically consistent.  But, here we are.

Thanks for the very honest and forthright answer, Lindal. I'm no wiser as a result, but it's nice to see an acknowledgment that our responses to these questions, which god knows come up often enough, are logically, and possibly ethically, inadequate.

(And again, before anyone misreads, as someone is bound to do, my point is not that LL should allow kiddie porn. NOR that it should ban slave RP. I just want to understand how we are making these distinctions.)

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28 minutes ago, ItHadToComeToThis said:

I beg to differ. I occasionally (Every couple of months) do come across sims that claim to be re-enacting the era of slavery that go as far as letting people play as a white slave owner or a black slave with rules and etiquette for the slave. One was even appropriately titled “The Cotton Fields”. 

I mean, on the one hand, yes.

On the other... it's not like they're actually slaves. They're still getting some kind of gratification out of playing those roles and can run away any time.

People do need some kind of safe outlets to explore their darker sides, I think. A lot of the movie, video game and even book industries are entirely built around that; catharsis. As long as they don't try to rope unwitting others into it. Or use it as a platform to try to accomplish those things in real life.

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21 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I am merely at a loss to understand why, when identical principles are actually at stake, we are so adamant that, for instance, deeply misogynist role play is "fine" and causes no harm, but anything sexual that involves minors is dangerous and should be banned.

I think that despite identical principles, the differential treatment probably comes down to the idea that not all crimes are viewed as equal.

And although all people need protection against harm, children need it more so due to their greater vulnerability. I think this could be at least one of the reasons why.

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7 hours ago, Zack Massiel said:

 

Anything done in second life is role play. 

Someone forget to send me the memo. All these years I thought I was just being myself when I was not in an actual roleplay and I haven't RPed in a long time. So does this mean I've been roleplaying me as myself? How does that work?

*grins with a saucy wink*

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Just now, Silent Mistwalker said:

Someone forget to send me the memo. All these years I thought I was just being myself when I was not in an actual roleplay and I haven't RPed in a long time. So does this mean I've been roleplaying me as myself? How does that work?

*grins with a saucy wink*

...I hrm.. I dunno? 😵

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1 minute ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

Dang. I'm in the wrong business.

I think it takes a special kind of person for this, but if that is you it's a great opportunity. I don't react well to being told what to do, I think people could probably tell which is why no one bid on me.

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6 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I'm more concerned about them promoting dragons.. I mean who wants a dragon showing up in their yard? Not me that's for sure..

I bet it would be pretty scary trying to yell, Get off my grass!!\o/  to a dragon and have a dragon take it serious.. That would be almost the worst..

Although A giant spider with a big ole spider willy..Now that would be way worse I think..Cause I don't want them on my grass either and their prevert intentions..

The dragon would just huff once and burn all the grass away so problem solved.

I dunno. Wolf spiders are cute.

 

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