Pearl Worried

[Luna Bliss]

4 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I don't agree with your advice to Pearl, and stated why, as the kind of detachment you advocate can be harmful.

She had a very good reason to give me that advice!!!

Even though she had good reason to give you some advice I may or may not agree with whether it's actually good advice.  I'd have to know all the details and could only go by the few things said.  Ultimately though, only you can know if it was indeed helpful.

[Bagnu]

26 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Even though she had good reason to give you some advice I may or may not agree with whether it's actually good advice.  I'd have to know all the details and could only go by the few things said.  Ultimately though, only you can know if it was indeed helpful.

It has been helpful. Very helpful actually. The details aren't for public knowledge.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Bagnu

[Bagnu]

I still believe though that people are indeed judged by the company they keep. Even if it is subconsciously. I don't want my friends looked down upon because they "hang out" with someone who is an SL prostitute.

[Silent Mistwalker]

2 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I still believe though that people are indeed judged by the company they keep. Even if it is subconsciously. I don't want my friends looked down upon because they "hang out" with someone who is an SL prostitute.

Hold up a sec here Pearl. I have to ask (going by some of your past posts) are you now saying you are not an escort but a prostitute instead? I'm confused since I thought we had established that while there are similarities the two are not the same.

If someone is "looking down on" your friends simply because of what you do, That is their problem, not yours or your friends. 

I have stopped being friends with anyone who attempted to choose my friends for me both in SL and RL. Every time I've heard "if your friends with them you can't be friends with me" I've dropped the person who said it like a hot potato. They are not the sort of friends I want or need. It's a control issue and I want no part of it.

[Rowan Amore]

12 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

Hold up a sec here Pearl. I have to ask (going by some of your past posts) are you now saying you are not an escort but a prostitute instead? I'm confused since I thought we had established that while there are similarities the two are not the same.

If someone is "looking down on" your friends simply because of what you do, That is their problem, not yours or your friends. 

I have stopped being friends with anyone who attempted to choose my friends for me both in SL and RL. Every time I've heard "if your friends with them you can't be friends with me" I've dropped the person who said it like a hot potato. They are not the sort of friends I want or need. It's a control issue and I want no part of it.

If one is getting paid exclusively for.sex...prostitute.  If you're being paid for your time with no explicit expectation of sex, I'd say escort although most are going to assume sex is involved.  Escort as  a word itself, has nothing to do with sex.  However, in SL, you can probably assume the words are interchangeable.  Hooker, whore, prostitute, adult entertainer, escort...pick your word.

And we can all be pornstars, too if we'd like.

Edited August 30, 2020 by RowanMinx

[Bagnu]

11 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

Hold up a sec here Pearl. I have to ask (going by some of your past posts) are you now saying you are not an escort but a prostitute instead? I'm confused since I thought we had established that while there are similarities the two are not the same.

If someone is "looking down on" your friends simply because of what you do, That is their problem, not yours or your friends. 

I have stopped being friends with anyone who attempted to choose my friends for me both in SL and RL. Every time I've heard "if your friends with them you can't be friends with me" I've dropped the person who said it like a hot potato. They are not the sort of friends I want or need. It's a control issue and I want no part of it.

I was being more forward to get my point across more poignantly.

[Amina Sopwith]

37 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I still believe though that people are indeed judged by the company they keep. Even if it is subconsciously. I don't want my friends looked down upon because they "hang out" with someone who is an SL prostitute.

For God's sake, nobody gives a monkeys about your profession and we aren't a bunch of tossers who are going to victimise people for liking you. Why don't you ever pay any attention to anything we say?

This is what I mean by asking you to switch to receive and try listening, rather than treating the forum like a blank projection screen for your character. You've been told, many times, what it is that winds some people up and it isn't the fact that you escort. I know you want it to be, because that's the character, but it isn't. You're also not the only one who's experienced RL distress as a result of some of the discussions you've instigated. Have you really forgotten what happened?

I don't know how many more times we can tell you. You want to be the centre of our attention all the time but you don't return the favour even a smidge. Stop banging on about how we misunderstand you. You don't even try to understand us!

Edited August 30, 2020 by Amina Sopwith

[Bagnu]

4 minutes ago, RowanMinx said:

If one is getting paid exclusively for.sex...prostitute.  If you're being paid for your time with no explicit expectation of sex, I'd say escort although most are going to assume sex is involved.  Escort as  a word itself, has nothing to do with sex.  However, in SL, you can probably assume the words are interchangeable.  Hooker, whore, prostitute, adult entertainer, escort...pick your word.

And we can all be pornstars, too if we'd like.

I've been paid simply for showing someone my outfits, and not asking for money. They just paid because they wanted to, Yes the words are interchangeable. I was simply being a little more graphic with the term to illustrate my point.

Of course we could all be pornstars. I'm going to do that as well. I'm exploring things  in SL I would never do in RL. It's different here in the forms, because we aren't exposing our inner selves. This is more intellectual discussion, although that happens inworld too many times. 

 

[FairreLilette]

21 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I still believe though that people are indeed judged by the company they keep. Even if it is subconsciously. I don't want my friends looked down upon because they "hang out" with someone who is an SL prostitute.

 I haven't had time to read much of this thread but I was wondering Bagnu if you are trying to rid the stigma from "sex workers" and if you are attempting to make the sex worker just one of the forum crowd?  

As for myself, I have no ill feelings towards you nor your friends nor think in any way of you as a lesser than because you are a sex worker. I've hung around all kinds of people and have known people in the rl porn business as well as been friends with escorts inworld as I worked as a stripper in SL many years ago.  In California, there are all kinds of people here and it's a sort of "open" place.  So, it's not odd to me to meet and talk with someone who is "different".  I've meet people in all kinds of "show biz" here.  

Anyhow, I think you need to just be yourself.  You did out yourself in the appropriate thread which was about women standing around in sexy clothes are they hookers which I thought was taking women backwards to the caveman days, and thank you for showing up then.  But, in that thread, you already outed yourself and perhaps you felt no need to hide and stayed on the forum as Bagnu.  But, now I feel you are becoming a bit hung up on it and what other's think about it.  Maybe you should ask that question some time then.  

[Bagnu]

2 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

You don't even try to understand us!

That's exactly what I've been trying to do.

[Bagnu]

1 minute ago, FairreLilette said:

But, now I feel you are becoming a bit hung up on it and what other's think about it.  Maybe you should ask that question some time then.  

Lol, I can't ask that question, because I already know the answer. I did appreciate your thoughtful reply btw. Thank you.

[Rowan Amore]

7 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I've been paid simply for showing someone my outfits, and not asking for money. They just paid because they wanted to, Yes the words are interchangeable. I was simply being a little more graphic with the term to illustrate my point.

Of course we could all be pornstars. I'm going to do that as well. I'm exploring things  in SL I would never do in RL. It's different here in the forms, because we aren't exposing our inner selves. This is more intellectual discussion, although that happens inworld too many times. 

 

Oh but intellectual discussions most certainly do expose our inner selves

Edited August 30, 2020 by RowanMinx

[Bagnu]

Just now, RowanMinx said:

Oh but intellectual discussion most certainly do expose our inner selves

I can't disagree with you. It does. It is different though than living our fantasies. That's why inworld is so powerful, because it's both. 

[Amina Sopwith]

3 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

That's exactly what I've been trying to do.

No it isn't. The very fact that you've ignored everything people have said, as usual, and now you're back to square one of "people look down on me because of my job" proves it, as if it hasn't been made abundantly clear for weeks and weeks now. I'm also not caring for the way you talk about the RL distress you've experienced as if you had no hand in it and it didn't happen to anyone else.

These forums are a place for people to interact and have discussions and bounce off each other. It's not against the rules to use them instead as a one-way virtual OHP for projecting a poor attempt at a misunderstood and misjudged sexual woman, but it is frigging annoying and it makes the place overall less fun and worthwhile. 

Nobody cares that you're an escort and nobody is going to attack people because they like you. It's insulting that after all this time, you still have such a low opinion of the place and no self-awareness to understand your role in engineering so many of the situations you claim to find so repellent. And if you had any interest whatsoever in just a fraction of the posts people have made explaining what it is that does annoy them - if you were in any way interested in actually having a two-way interaction here - you'd have known that long ago.

 

 

[Bagnu]

59 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

No it isn't. The very fact that you've ignored everything people have said, as usual, and now you're back to square one of "people look down on me because of my job" proves it, as if it hasn't been made abundantly clear for weeks and weeks now. I'm also not caring for the way you talk about the RL distress you've experienced as if you had no hand in it and it didn't happen to anyone else.

These forums are a place for people to interact and have discussions and bounce off each other. It's not against the rules to use them instead as a one-way virtual OHP for projecting a poor attempt at a misunderstood and misjudged sexual woman, but it is frigging annoying and it makes the place overall less fun and worthwhile. 

Nobody cares that you're an escort and nobody is going to attack people because they like you. It's insulting that after all this time, you still have such a low opinion of the place and no self-awareness to understand your role in engineering so many of the situations you claim to find so repellent. And if you had any interest whatsoever in just a fraction of the posts people have made explaining what it is that does annoy them - if you were in any way interested in actually having a two-way interaction here - you'd have known that long ago.

 

 

Your entitled to your opinion. Notice I've never made any posts castigating anyone like you just did lol??? As RowanMinx so wisely pointed out to me, we reveal our inner selves through intellectual discussion.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Bagnu

[Lindal Kidd]

3 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

Because I enjoy learning, and find Googling to be fun and not the least bit stressful...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illeism

Lindal votes for "involuntary circumstances!"

[Luna Bliss]

9 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

opinion

Well here's my opinion on the matter, Pearl.

If some people don't like your new friends anymore because they associate with you, then you have done your friends a GREAT SERVICE by helping them get rid of these types of people!

[Seicher Rae]

No. One. Gives. A. Flying. Eff. That. You. Get. Paid. For. Virtual. Sex. In. SL.

That has been said over and over, just like Amina said just now. Just like hundreds of posts have said over god-knows how many months. And you say you are trying to LEARN? How slow are you?

People don't dislike you because you're an escort, prostitute, whatever. I hate speaking for other people, but I feel I'm not alone in not liking you because you are a disingenuous, attention seeking, drama queen, who makes pointless posts and comments all over the forum. For me I'll add, based on your other OP, that I dislike you because I feel you have zero ethics, or they are so weak that you have to play to an audience for things that should be fairly common sense/common ethics. That you pretend OR are serious that you have to "wrestle" with these "big questions" in public is just... gross.

Although it is kinda cool to be able to lay it out flat like that and for me to be 100% on topic.

So the corollary to:  No. One. Gives. A. Flying. Eff. That. You. Get. Paid. For. Virtual. Sex. In. SL.

is:

No. One. Knows. Who. Your. Friends. Are. Here.* No. One. Cares. No. One. Is. Going. To. Pick. On. Them. Because. They. Hang. Out. With. You. 

So:

This is another dumb, pointless OP. Created to get more attention and for you to get the "oh, I like you, Pearl!" posts, and nothing more.

And I think that the more you do posts/comments like this the more people are going to dislike you more. You poor, misunderstood thing, you.

*We only know who you outted with this thread. Aren't you clever?

Edited August 30, 2020 by Seicher Rae

[FairreLilette]

45 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

Lol, I can't ask that question, because I already know the answer. I did appreciate your thoughtful reply btw. Thank you.

Okay, but lots said they don't mind if you are an escort.  

It would be interesting to see a poll and I think you'd find it on the low end of those who mind as this is SL and SL ain't General only.  SL *is* an Adult place and has a reputation of "that sex place".  It's not a big deal unless one ends up on FLICKR without their consent.  That might be a big deal, but otherwise, I don't think it is.

Some of these topics should go in the Adults Section though, don't you think?   I'm not sure, and have not asked the thread to be moved...just sayin'.

 

 

[Bagnu]

12 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Okay, but lots said they don't mind if you are an escort.  

It would be interesting to see a poll and I think you'd find it on the low end of those who mind as this is SL and SL ain't General only.  SL *is* an Adult place and has a reputation of "that sex place".  It's not a big deal unless one ends up on FLICKR without their consent.  That might be a big deal, but otherwise, I don't think it is.

Some of these topics should go in the Adults Section though, don't you think?   I'm not sure, and have not asked the thread to be moved...just sayin'.

 

 

This topic was purely about friendship. Others brought the adult into it.

And my Flickr thread was about that.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Bagnu

[Bagnu]

24 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

*We only know who you outted with this thread. Aren't you clever?

Oh I am...Just not malicious or angry.,,, My friends can tell you that.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Bagnu

[MoiraKathleen]

 

5 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

This topic was purely about friendship. Others brought the adult into it.

So was this thread basically to tell unidentified forumites to not mess with people some might think are friends of yours?   

If there are situations going on either in-world from people who also post in the forums, or through messages here in the forum, a forum post seems like a strange way to handle it.  As I said before I hadn't seen blatant hostility or hatred to you, or to people identified as friends of yours, in the public forum threads (unless it was in the adult sub-forum, which I generally do not read).   

I don't hang within any circle of friends where there is judgement about whose posts I like or respond to, or who I am friends with, so if that does happen to exist,  it's not anything I have ever encountered.   

[Deidra Heartsong]

20 hours ago, Bagnu said:

I have made some very dear friends from the Forum, and even an SL sister. Because I'm such a controversial figure I worry about them being judged for the company they keep.Eventually it becomes obvious. I can take care of myself quite nicely, but I don't want my friends to have to do the same. just because of me!!! Thoughts anyone?

And before your edit to another post claiming your OP was purely about friendship: https://gyazo.com/f96df735a909e97815e637a46ed5cd49

I can not for the life of me believe you don't know that you're indeed the one that brought adult in with your OP.

[FairreLilette]

26 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

This topic was purely about friendship. Others brought the adult into it.

Well, it kind of has "adult" in it and I simply was not sure in what I could say or not say here.

I think you stress on it too much though.  

I always think of people like jewels in that we have many facets.  You are not just one thing, but mostly just remember you are a person first and foremost.  

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 hour ago, RowanMinx said:

If one is getting paid exclusively for.sex...prostitute.  If you're being paid for your time with no explicit expectation of sex, I'd say escort although most are going to assume sex is involved.  Escort as  a word itself, has nothing to do with sex.  However, in SL, you can probably assume the words are interchangeable.  Hooker, whore, prostitute, adult entertainer, escort...pick your word.

And we can all be pornstars, too if we'd like.

LOL I know the difference. I posted in the thread Pearl started that discussed it that escorts and prostitutes are not the same thing. That is why I was asking her since she had been insisting she is an escort vs prostitute in that thread (and elsewhere) and in this thread she called herself a prostitute. I'd just like to see her stick with one or the other so it's less confusing for everyone else.