Prims Magic Parcel border indicator rules

[ChristopherWarbucks]

Hi, just wondering if there are any mainland rules governing border line indicators such as the Prims Magic eyesores everywhere in the mainland. Rental outfits seem to deem it necessary to force everyone to see their border lines, in fluorescent green, from every possible angle, all the time. Respectful owners at least hide them under water so kudos to them. I don't see why they cant have a touch feature to enable them for a predetermined time for a potential renter to see the borders if interested. I'm all for open everything at ground level and always allow passage through waters and land so that's my bias. If there is a way to voice opinions as a group to LL, sign me up plz. But, back to the rules, thanks.

[Qie Niangao]

Sorry, but I've never seen any relevant Mainland rules about this.

The whole concept has never made sense to me, given that even the Linden viewer, since forever, has an option to show parcel boundaries, and if one owns the land it's trivial to add a few prims to extend those borders as a hint for building and terraforming.

If one were forced to use a scripted product to show those lines, it could certainly be a temporary effect, but I suspect (see above) that these really aren't intended for the most sophisticated land owners.

[ChristopherWarbucks]

Thanks for the reply Qie, totally agree. It's too bad people can't keep their garbage above 1000m at least. With the availability of faux water, why build a box around a beautiful landscape.  Cheers

 

[Prokofy Neva]

No, it's another case of "I can do WTF I want on my land". It's not just Prim Magic; Thomas Conover makes yellow police tape like this and others do as well, as if your house is a crime scene.

It's particularly stupid as you can just go to World/show/property lines on the viewer and see the lines highlighted in bright green if you are a sole owner or aqua if you are on group land. No lag, no eyesore, available any time.

I once IM'd a neighbour with this ugly stuff out for days and informed him that this function of boundary lines is in the viewer. Sometimes people really don't know, and when I tell them they are thrilled and get rid of the police tape.

This fellow objected that you could see them with world/show/property lines, but they were just too light. Whereupon I said he could turn on "midnight" which makes them show up very bright. Then he said he couldn't see to build. I pointed out that the police tape had been there for weeks and it didn't appear he was building. He then banned me, and then put out a Trump 2020 block for good measure. That shows you what we're dealing with here.

I bet if people tried this in Bellissaria, the Moles would make a rule about it instantly. But they don't. Because I think it's a higher class of people. The Lindens have easements around all the properties so you need to find your property lines but you can do that with the viewer and ugly border tape is not needed.

When you mention rental agencies, I sure don't use these idiotic things -- again, property lines are in the viewer, turn them on, and turn on midnight if it is such an issue to see them. Use them temporarily to build if you must, but take them down.

When I see these on rentals, they often aren't taken -- I think a tenant wouldn't want this eyesore.

Edited August 25, 2020 by Prokofy Neva

[animats]

I've seen a few of those, but they're rare. There's one large, irregular parcel that's been under construction for most of this year. There's an unfinished build a few sims north of the Ungren infohub that's had an "under construction" barrier for years.

Someone should sell an automatic parcel boundary marker that looks like a real-world construction fence. 

[ChinRey]

11 hours ago, animats said:

Someone should sell an automatic parcel boundary marker that looks like a real-world construction fence. 

Something like this perhaps. Unfortunately the maker (it's not me, it's Kaliska) hasn't even bothered to list them for sale as regular unscripted items.

[ArgontheDevil Ormega]

I'm a firm believer in the principal that good fences make good neighbors. I always fence in my lands simply because it makes it easier to place my builds rather than depend solely on the property line markers in the viewer.  If it fits within the fence the I know that when I raise it it won't intrude on the neighbors.

[encidious Opus]

On 8/24/2020 at 10:37 PM, Prokofy Neva said:

I bet if people tried this in Bellissaria, the Moles would make a rule about it instantly. But they don't. Because I think it's a higher class of people.

Funny

[ChristopherWarbucks]

Argon, I totally agree. Unfortunately the border indicators are fluorescent Green. That is the issue more than anything. And when the build is done, it's still there just to indicate it's a rental? It could easily be scripted to only exist if the owner is near, and alpha for the rest of us.

If you build a decent looking fence and it doesn't obstruct the view of the landscape, that's understandable. If building it on the water, and blocking in the person owning the actual coastline, that's rude imo. I always, at the very least, allow a channel for others to access the sea. 

I assume you are a good neighbor, so no issue here.

Cheers,

[ChristopherWarbucks]

2 hours ago, encidious Opus said:

Funny

ensidious, class distinction is a sad reality in any world. I'm glad you chose humor.

Not a fan of segregation either. I believe land blocking, mainland rentals and ugly fences are proof that people think we should be separated. 

Why can't major agencies, like good life(not trying to pick on them), just build private estates? Leave the mainland to people, or at least limit the destruction.

Little secret, I am slowly building ban lists, just to block those who block lol. Not effective but I feel better.

[Rabid Cheetah]

Well, it might have nothing to do with building.  I had a place near an info hub, deliberately, hoping for traffic.  No one came.  Next door neighbor had a high-traffic store, but it was a skybox.  He claimed that folks were constantly wandering over from the info hub, at ground level, just to do griefing things.  So he put a zero-second tp-home orb up.  Which sucked, because if I slipped over the border by just a pixel I'd get zapped to my Linden home.  We talked, he was a nice guy.  But still convinced he had to worry about griefers.  He did get rid of the orb, though.  But then, he put up unsightly police-tape border markers, and stretched them to all be 64 meters in height, and made them physical.  To keep the griefers out.  *rolls eyes*  Yeah, I had to put a big stone wall at my parcel border and then hang art from it.  You never really know why people do the things they do in SL.

[archangel969]

I realize this is an old post, but I so understand this problem. For a month or so suddenly these ugly poisonos neo coloured green parcel border indicater lines appeared next to my backgarden. It is such a nice spot because there you can watch the sun go down and the moon come up. I don't understand why this sort of indicater lines can't be made invisible because they ruining the view for anyone who live in the neighbourhood.

[Prokofy Neva]

I see it more from end users than rental agents -- why would a rental agent deliberately disfigure land and make it hard to rent?

It's pure insanity. You can see the borders of your land without any third-party tool on the viewer by going to world/view property lines. If you feel they are too light to see, turn on Midnight where they show up better. 

The obsession with property borders is misplaced because if you go over your parcel boundary, an object will return from Linden land or land not owned by you, except for the rare occasions the adjacent land is not on autoreturn. So why put out eyesores???

I could possibly understand why some might do this while building, but not even then, since it's in the viewer. But then why leave it on? Looks like a crime scene.

[Rabid Cheetah]

On 10/5/2020 at 12:21 PM, Prokofy Neva said:

So why put out eyesores?

Because they've seen others do it, wind up thinking that that must be the right and proper way to do things, and have great difficulties with paradigm shifts.

[Prokofy Neva]

On 10/4/2020 at 3:50 PM, archangel969 said:

I realize this is an old post, but I so understand this problem. For a month or so suddenly these ugly poisonos neo coloured green parcel border indicater lines appeared next to my backgarden. It is such a nice spot because there you can watch the sun go down and the moon come up. I don't understand why this sort of indicater lines can't be made invisible because they ruining the view for anyone who live in the neighbourhood.

Send them this very picture with the very thing you said here, and ask them to please remove the dayglo green borders.

[ChristopherWarbucks]

To add to this, the jira group are working on a derender option for the SL viewer, so some light I guess. Unfortunately, this game (or whatever you want to think of it as) is a ridiculous money hog, with no intentions of meeting the needs of anyone other than the creative designers, land slumlords, greedy casinos, or the excessively perverted. The rest of us are just the money pot. It sickens me. I hope some of you are getting real value here. What can a person really do with 1024sqm while there are millions of SQM with nothing on them. Ridiculous. Cheers

[Wulfie Reanimator]

On 10/4/2020 at 10:50 PM, archangel969 said:

I don't understand why this sort of indicater lines can't be made invisible

You can. Right-click > Derender > Blacklist

[ChristopherWarbucks]

 

9 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

You can. Right-click > Derender > Blacklist

Only works in Firestorm. Coming to SL Viewer shortly.(by 2023 for sure)