VOODO/SPLODER

[MelRonnie]

Fui Banido do Voodoo/Sploder a mais de 2 meses, ainda não sei o verdadeiro motivo pelo qual fui banido pois as pessoas que trabalham no suporte para desbanimento são um tanto quanto arrogantes e mal educados, se eu disser que o cara está bonito ele me bane por mais tempo, já tentei varias vezes o desbanimento mas a cada ticket eles me banem um pouco mais, já relatei o ABUSO ao suporte do SL mas não me ajudaram muito, queria ao menos saber o verdadeiro motivo do banimento para que não se repita.

[Rolig Loon]

A landowner does not need to have a reason for ejecting you and banning you from his land. The SL TOS is very clear about this. Read Sect 3.4, in which it says, " You may permit or deny other users to access your Virtual Land on terms determined by you ."  The landowner does not need to explain his rules to you. The best thing you can do is to stop trying to go there. SL is a very big place. Find somewhere else to enjoy.

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by Rolig Loon

[Garnet Psaltery]

We can't give you a reason why you were banned.  Only the owners can tell you, but they can do whatever they like.

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

Sl gives owners of sims or parcels the power of a god/dess. In other words they can do as they wish as long as it is within the tos and community guidelines. Meaning they can eject or ban from a group or sim or parcel for any reason or no reason and do not have to inform you why if they dont feel like it.

As Rolig said, find another place to go to and not let it bother you so much. there are thousands of other places in sl to explore and try out.

Being banned from a group or sim is not the end of the world some like to make it seem to be or feel it is.  Forget about them and find other places to enjoy. By doing so you take any power they really thought they had over you away from them. You make their sim worthless to you and pointless to worry about which will drive some of them nuts. others wont care. and that is just how sl works.

It it was a place you really liked so much that you cant seem to enjoy sl without it, them consider getting your own sim and making a similar place and seeing who you can enlist to join you in making it as good or better than the other place. Steal enough of their patrons and visitors and they will feel the karmic payback as it becomes harder to continue to afford the sim without as much help from others. that is also how sl works. in other words become your own god/dess and make your own rules and do it how you think it should have been.

You might also want to look at here. https://voodoo.community/pt/help/ look down for the section about being unbanned.

and for those that dont know what was said by the op here it is translated.

I was banned from Voodoo / Sploder for more than 2 months, I still don't know the real reason why I was banned because the people working in the support for disbursement are somewhat arrogant and rude, if I say that the guy looks good he ban for longer, I have tried to get rid of it several times but at each ticket they ban me a little more, I have already reported ABUSE to SL support but they did not help me much, I wanted to at least know the real reason for the ban so that it does not happen again .

perhaps you were accused of abusing the sploder in some way.. or cheating it.. maybe people thought it was unfair with how often you won or how much you won each time compared to them and reported it. it could be any number of possible reasons. perhaps they think your an alt of someone that was banned for cheating or abusing the use of the sploder before.

Edited August 15, 2020 by Drakonadrgora Darkfold

[Talligurl]

I have been banned a few times and I was able to send a very apologetic note to the sim owner and get him to let me back in. Remember that he is the boss and trying to tell him he has to do something will not work.

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

I have been banned from a few places before. the first time it bothers you, upsets you, makes you sad, or angry. the second time.. eh.. it really doesn't matter as much at that point you have already got past the initial trauma of the event. You move forward and onward and do not let it control or effect you as much anymore.

its like having a car wreck.. the first time you completely totally panic over it.. the second time not so much.. the third time even less until finally its just like second nature to deal with the problems it might have caused. you have become desensitized to the trauma and can now think about it in a more logical and rational manner.

in sl its the same; the person that banned you lost the control over you that you had given them by getting emotional or upset. this will drive some of them up the wall.. because they live for that power that control.. that ability to cause issues in others lives. and some are just psychotic jerks that wont care at all. which means they dont deserve any control over you or your fun here in sl. so dont give it to them.

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Edited August 15, 2020 by Drakonadrgora Darkfold

[Rolig Loon]

55 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

I have been banned from a few places before.

However, I suspect that you are like me (and like most people I know in RL) and that you have never been banned from someplace in RL.  It's just not one of those things that happen to most people unless they are troublemakers or are wandering into places where they really shouldn't be.  If you were banned from a place in RL, though, the rules would be almost the same as they are in SL.  The club owner would be perfectly within his rights to kick you out for annoying people, flirting with his sister, wearing orange on St. Patrick's Day, or just because he doesn't like your looks.  It's his club, after all.

The big difference in SL is that a lot of people don't know the local customs or are newbies, and we don't have as many visual cues to tell us when we're about to do something that will get us kicked out.  (And some of us are ruder or more thoughtless than we would be in RL. It's the anonymity thing.)  Club owners don't have to worry about personal safety or about hiring a muscle-bound bouncer to kick people out either. So we're more likely to be banned in SL, and it's a surprise.   Still, it's pretty much like RL.

The closest analogy I can think of is going to a bar while you are on vacation in a foreign country.  You don't speak the language, you don't know the colors of the rival football team, and you have no idea which barmaid is the owner's sister.  If you get banned, you may never know what hit you.  If you're smart, you just walk away.

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

I have been banned from a few forums in my past and one rl business. It was a temp agency. We didn't see eye to eye on how they should treat their workers. So I made a stink about it and then was told to never return and was black balled from using them anymore for job searches. which was several years ago. the irony of it is that the business recently contacted me trying to offer me a job again.. which i turned down.

so even rl banns are not really permanent..

and the forums I was banned from.. well..they went under and don't exist anymore.. so that's a moot thing too.

my point is that most bans rl or otherwise only hurt the first time. afterwards you learn to ignore them and just move on.. if your emotional mature enough.

even most sl bans are not always perm. either someone clears the list and forgets why some were banned. or they need space on the list because its too full. or it was just a time based temp ban and they hope you wont ever think about coming back. that you have moved on. or they did it as a lesson and hoped you learn your lesson sort of thing.. which is just a power play thing..

Edited August 15, 2020 by Drakonadrgora Darkfold

[MelRonnie]

Realmente eu fui Banido das regiões do Voodoo, parei de jogar o sploder que era uma renda razoável, agora jogo ou tipo de jogo para o meu sustento no SL, mas em algumas regiões comandadas pelo voodoo eu não posso entrar e sou ejetado, mais uma vez o pessoal que administra este grupo não me desbaniu, eles ficaram com raiva de eu postar neste site, tudo bem agora tenho que fazer outras coisas. que sejam felizes os administrados deste site. Bom Dia a Todos

[Tari Landar]

 

Você fez suposições sobre os proprietários e os chamou de nomes. Não deve surpreendê-lo que você foi banido. Os proprietários de regiões podem banir pessoas por qualquer motivo que desejem. Eles nem precisam de um motivo para bani-lo. Para começar, você não deve depender de sploders como sua renda no SL. Existem maneiras melhores de ganhar dinheiro no SL. Não há muito sentido em denunciá-los por abuso. Não é abuso para o dono de uma região banir você. Ninguém aqui pode realmente ajudá-lo com o motivo do seu banimento, nem LL. Apenas siga em frente e encontre outros lugares para ir. Não existem muitas regiões com sploders de vodu. Existem muitos outros lugares que você pode visitar no SL.

Desculpe minha pobre língua, o português não é uma das minhas línguas mais fortes.

[Eddy Vortex]

Like Tari said, here are better ways to earn income than playing sploders.  Places that need to pay avatars to visit their sim are sad places.  They end up attracting mostly plunder bots. Those bots can't interact with you.  Places using voodoo devices are not worth visiting anyway.

Worthwhile places do not need to entice visitors with money.  SL is a big world and there are better ways to spend one's time in it.  Get out there and start exploring.

[Claireschen Hesten]

The Voodoo sploders are supposed to have some anti-bot stuff in them and they can catch you out and ban you if you use an alt account on their sploders or even someone on the same ip address has used one. I know a long long time ago they had something that made you verify via their website in order to use a sploder i don't know if that's still the case

[Ceka Cianci]

I'm not sure what the OP said, but I do know how that sploder works..

If it has you on it's ban list, where ever it is used, it will kick you, so it won't just be that one place, but anywhere  that brand of sploder is used..

How you get on it's ban list is, unless they changed something.. At some point it picked up the IP and matched it with an alt and that's all it takes.. Now when the main user or any alt that showed up with matching the same IP or anyone with that IP, that name will go on the list and be kicked.

That or if you were ever a member of greenzone and didn't leave the group when the creator of Voodoo sploder warned us too.. hehehe

The way to not be sensed by it is to keep media and music stream off before it ever gets the chance to get your IP and match both names with the same IP..

In other words, if you have an alt that has never had media or music turned on around a voodoo sploder, it won't know you are an alt because it can't get your IP..

[Silent Mistwalker]

There's a reason I avoid any establishment that uses VooDoo products. Remember RedZone and zFire Xue?  Yeah, VooDoo can rot in hell.

[Rowan Amore]

9 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

There's a reason I avoid any establishment that uses VooDoo products. Remember RedZone and zFire Xue?  Yeah, VooDoo can rot in hell.

I though LL banned things like this?

[Gabriele Graves]

I distinctly remember they did as well though I still see them around.  I guess LL are just waiting for AR's for them.

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 hour ago, RowanMinx said:

I though LL banned things like this?

LL banned RedZone and zFire, yes. Somehow VooDoo has managed to avoid being banned. Without going into any details or stirring up a hornet's nest, at the time there were things that were looked into which left VooDoo looking very bad. To my knowledge, VooDoo still uses IPs in much the same way as RZ did. The question has always remained: is any personal information stored on a 3rd party site? VooDoo claims not but the way he worded things was a very bad reflection on him and his products. I didn't trust him or his products back then and I don't trust them now. 

Edited December 5, 2020 by Silent Mistwalker

[Rowan Amore]

4 hours ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

LL banned RedZone and zFire, yes. Somehow VooDoo has managed to avoid being banned. Without going into any details or stirring up a hornet's nest, at the time there were things that were looked into which left VooDoo looking very bad. To my knowledge, VooDoo still uses IPs in much the same way as RZ did. The question has always remained: is any personal information stored on a 3rd party site? VooDoo claims not but the way he worded things was a very bad reflection on him and his products. I didn't trust him or his products back then and I don't trust them now. 

One would almost have to assume something was stored somewhere if they can ban alts of previously banned accounts.  They SAY they don't but how can they explain IP bans?

[Ceka Cianci]

1 hour ago, RowanMinx said:

One would almost have to assume something was stored somewhere if they can ban alts of previously banned accounts.  They SAY they don't but how can they explain IP bans?

If I remember right, it stored the IP's in world and didn't take them off grid or something like that.. There was a technicality that separated it from RZ that stopped it from getting banned..

When I was in GZ, I was so up to date on what it was, but can hardly remember the details nowadays..

ETA: In my case, Monkey never got my IP and only my name was added to the list for being in the greenzone group and not leaving  when he threatened us..

So anyplace where that sploder is, it see's my name and I get kicked.. It doesn't know my alts from Adam..

I think the offworld database was SL names and IP's were kept in world..

It's starting to come back to me..hehehe

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by Ceka Cianci

[Silent Mistwalker]

3 hours ago, RowanMinx said:

One would almost have to assume something was stored somewhere if they can ban alts of previously banned accounts.  They SAY they don't but how can they explain IP bans?

Dunno. You'd have to pin either the Monkey man down or LL or both. Therein lies the conundrum.

[Silent Mistwalker]

2 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

If I remember right, it stored the IP's in world and didn't take them off grid or something like that.. There was a technicality that separated it from RZ that stopped it from getting banned..

When I was in GZ, I was so up to date on what it was, but can hardly remember the details nowadays..

ETA: In my case, Monkey never got my IP and only my name was added to the list for being in the greenzone group and not leaving  when he threatened us..

So anyplace where that sploder is, it see's my name and I get kicked.. It doesn't know my alts from Adam..

I think the offworld database was SL names and IP's were kept in world..

It's starting to come back to me..hehehe

 

I shoulda known you'd remember. lol You were on SLU during all that. 

The RZ database was filled with personal info. up to and including the number of kids a person has, medical issues, all kinds of personally identifying info. zFire and Co were using it to harass people in SL and RL. At least one person lost their job because those guys. It was one huge clusterpuck. 

[Ceka Cianci]

10 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

I shoulda known you'd remember. lol You were on SLU during all that. 

The RZ database was filled with personal info. up to and including the number of kids a person has, medical issues, all kinds of personally identifying info. zFire and Co were using it to harass people in SL and RL. At least one person lost their job because those guys. It was one huge clusterpuck. 

Yea, It was a terrible time that whole RZ thing.. Monkey never really got Zfire kind of recognition or as wide spread as RZ did.. I think since Monkey made his threat to the GZ group like back in 2012 I think it was, I've been kicked one time just testing to see if his sploder would kick me..Then one time after that..

I'm all over the grid exploring and wasn't worried about his impact back then or now..hehehe

If his product would have been bannable, I think it would have happened already back then, when GZ had him under the microscope..

I wasn't anywhere near as worried about him as I was RZ and zFire.

Just glad that's in the distant past.. I really don't even like thinking back to that time period really..hehehe