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2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Desperate cry for attention is not an ad! 

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I love attention!!! That I will not deny!!! But it's only an ad if I can make $ from it, which is highly unlikely from the forum lol!!!

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Since everyone else can answer, I shall too. Yes, OP, you advertise, constantly, knowingly, while pretending it's not. I mean it's not hard for even the most English language challenged to see, i

Do you truly not see the absolute logic fail here?  

Because she isn't talking about her experiences as an escort.  It's the constant "I'm an escort" dropped into pretty much EVERYTHING.  Thread about renting a skybox - "I'm an escort".  Thread about Al

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12 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I added a signature, which I didn't know how to do before. I'm confused though. No one complains if someone has a link to their business in their signature, but I offend people by discussing what I know and am comfortable with? I do understand some may be uncomfortable with my profession, and that's fair. But I would rather be chastised for something I do, rather than than something I truly never meant to do!!!

This actually reminds me of the first thread I replied to, where the OP was questioning if girls standing around were hookers or not. In this case advertising or not. I have to say the same thing here. When we are advertising or soliciting we make it very clear. And it would likely take years to get a single client from the forums. This is simply not a good place to advertise or solicit. Most people in SL don't even know the forums exist.

In the end I'm me. Not everyone has to like or agree with me.

 

 

Your profession is absolutely fine, no issues there at all. It was the constant pushing of it left right and centre, against the forum guidelines, and offering services while denying that you were seeking business and even claiming that you'd refuse clients who found you here. It was the latter that got my goat the most and prompted me to reply to this particular thread. You simply cannot respond to personal ads for relationships offering escort services, especially while pushing your trade in every post, while claiming that you don't seek business here.

Business links in sigs are explicitly allowed. That's why nobody has a problem with them. I'm usually on my phone with a cat on my head and can't see them anyway.

I get the feeling that you are trying to conflate opposition to your constant advertising with judgement on your profession. Please don't do that. Nobody cares what you do, we care about the forums being used against their intended purpose to become a huge billboard for your business. We would say the same if you were a landscaper. I can think of other posters who have adult businesses inworld and there hasn't been a problem there.

Anyway, I'm glad you have the sig sorted now and I look forward to hearing what you have to say when you're not purely on transmit. 

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10 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

If it's their choice, that's false advertising and they should not work for an establishment but rather be independent and then it's their choice.  If you work a job in real life, it's not your choice to sew for three hours a day your own personal dress; you'd be fired.

What you are suggesting is false advertising.  

Plus, I'm speaking about the girls who put up Ad Boards for their services and in the Ad Board it says CAM/SKYPE or whatever.  If they then refuse to do that but except money or to make "a choice" they are just playing games with people.  

I had two small clubs in SL for Dinkies and Tinies (pre coronavirus, now shut because of coronavirus) and I was searching out Ad Boards for my clubs and I saw the adverts.  It says on their advert CAM/SKYPE.  

I still think you want SL only one way - your way, the fantasy and typing way but that's not how it is.  SL is very varied.  

Though I can see, with coronavirus, the absence of the human voice.  I am missing a real person to talk with our voices not typing in these lock down times.  

If I was going to have a real relationship on SL, we'd need to have telephone too as I have all women mostly in my life and I need a man to talk too.  I have no men in my life currently, it's all women.  

If you don't believe me, search out places with Ad Boards and go see what escorts are advertising yourself.  

this is not rl, the same rules do not apply to everything here in sl.

no its not. just because it is offered does not mean everyone that works there has to do it. it is still a choice that may have been negotiated with the place that the escort works at to not have to do so.

and yes some people will do that, let the payer beware. or they may not feel up to it that day and time, and might even tell the client so and may refund all or part of the money at that time.

I know what some advertise but it doesnt mean they all have to, even if they work at a place that says its offered.

again your wanting sl to be how you want it.. to fit your morals and ethics but that is not how it works. it doesnt just fit mine either, I am well aware of this.

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4 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

this is not rl, the same rules do not apply to everything here in sl.

no its not. just because it is offered does not mean everyone that works there has to do it. it is still a choice that may have been negotiated with the place that the escort works at to not have to do so.

and yes some people will do that, let the payer beware. or they may not feel up to it that day and time, and might even tell the client so and may refund all or part of the money at that time.

I know what some advertise but it doesnt mean they all have to, even if they work at a place that says its offered.

again your wanting sl to be how you want it.. to fit your morals and ethics but that is not how it works. it doesnt just fit mine either, I am well aware of this.

Well, I've never been to one but I was a stripper my first time in SL.  If I refused to strip, I would have been fired.   We all stripped as strippers; we put on a show.  If we ever needed a day off, we would have told our manager.  

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Well, I've never been to one but I was a stripper my first time in SL.  If I refused to strip, I think I would have been fired.   We all did as strippers; we put on a show.  If we ever needed a day off, we would have told our manager.  

I have been a dancer and stripper in sl before too. I only stripped if was tipped and I decided how much I stripped or how long it stayed off for the amount of the tip. that is different then voice or cam. voice/cam is rl.. stripping is pixel and not rl.

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8 hours ago, Bagnu said:

I added a signature, which I didn't know how to do before. I'm confused though. No one complains if someone has a link to their business in their signature, but I offend people by discussing what I know and am comfortable with? I do understand some may be uncomfortable with my profession, and that's fair. But I would rather be chastised for something I do, rather than than something I truly never meant to do!!!

This actually reminds me of the first thread I replied to, where the OP was questioning if girls standing around were hookers or not. In this case advertising or not. I have to say the same thing here. When we are advertising or soliciting we make it very clear. And it would likely take years to get a single client from the forums. This is simply not a good place to advertise or solicit. Most people in SL don't even know the forums exist.

In the end I'm me. Not everyone has to like or agree with me.

 

 

I don't think you're "offending" people by discussing what you do. As many have mentioned before numerously, it's the sheer repetition, particularly when it's not remotely relevant to the topic at hand. I'm only replying to clear the confusion, so don't see this as me being personally offended in any way or an attempt to judge or go against you.

Self awareness is a virtue, but when that is lacking, you can defer to the feedback you get from others. And while it may not be your intention to advertise, we're all responsible for managing the perception we create of ourselves. And this is the perception you are creating for yourself to at least some. Your repetitive mentions of your "profession" in SL is no more advertising than a plug is in a movie - for instance, the way the Apple logo is blatantly displayed at length in a scene of a movie. You get my jist. That's not direct advertising, just like you don't tend to directly advertise, but it does come across as self-promoting, whether you like it or not, and whether you intend for it or not.

However, you don't have to care about how others perceive you. That's your prerogative. And it is true as you said, anyone who dislikes what you say can easily just ignore your posts. But you did create this thread to at least talk about it. So here we all are.

Also also.. IMO it would help if you post in the relevant sections of the forums, say maybe Adult? Not that I'm the forum police, but I do see sometimes people suggesting for others to post in other more relevant sections, so I'm just doing the same in this case.

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6 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

I only stripped if was tipped

Of course.  You don't strip if you aren't tipped.  

However, we just need to agree to disagree.

But, I don't think it was right for you to name call someone who wants girls on cam/skype a homophobe.   People want what they want and it's their dime and their time and heteros would like to find what they are looking for too.  

That's such an old-fashioned SL to me with your homophobic call.  Even way back when I was on SL and dating, we used the telephone.  

I think the new buyers of SL need to up some of the Adult features for easier voice as the newer crowd likes voice; the old emoting thing is horrid and was horrid 17 years ago.   Emoting may be a like or dislike.  Some people like; some people can't stand.  I prefer the voice or telephone.  

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5 minutes ago, AdminGirl said:

Also also.. IMO it would help if you post in the relevant sections of the forums, say maybe Adult? Not that I'm the forum police, but I do see sometimes people suggesting for others to post in other more relevant sections, so I'm just doing the same in this case.

I said nothing inappropriate with my opening post. Soliciting isn't always sexual. 

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4 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Of course.  You don't strip if you aren't tipped.  

However, we just need to agree to disagree.

But, I don't think it was right for you to name call someone who wants girls on cam/skype a homophobe.  

That's such an old-fashioned SL to me.  Even way back when I was on SL and dating, we used the telephone.  

I think the new buyers of SL need to up some of the Adult features for easier voice as the newer crowd likes voice. 

voice is already easy, if someone really wants to do it. there are so many services that can be used outside of sl for voice. discord/skype/kik/ventrillo/teamspeak/facetime/google duo.. just to name a few of the hundreds that exist.

not all of the newer crowd likes or wants or needs voice.

they are being one. you are having sex with the avatar not the rl person. so what they are in rl should not matter unless your hoping to take it out of sl which most everyone in sl is not looking to do.

but yes we will have to agree to disagree on this topic as we have on others before.

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6 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

so what they are in rl should not matter unless your hoping to take it out of sl which most everyone in sl is not looking to do.

Maybe, but I'd still prefer to be with a male avatar and a male behind the avatar and that's my preference, so it's what I would be looking for if I ever decided to date in SL again and that's a big if.

There is just something that is a turn on if I know it's really a man as I am not bi-sexual nor attracted to females in a sexual way.  I have my preference too.  I'd want male avatar/male person behind it.  No reason for you to go all homophobic about it.   I mean seriously, let people be themselves and find what they want and if they want to find a heterosexual relationship, that's great.  It's who they are.  

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6 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I said nothing inappropriate with my opening post. Soliciting isn't always sexual. 

What you most definitely solicited was a discussion about whether or not you were using the forums as advertising space. Once again, please don't conflate our objections to this with objections to your profession.

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No one asked me- but I will chime in.

Bagnu, you do mention your SL profession a looooot.  I would say you passively advertise it.

I felt you were actively soliciting a few weeks back on the post wanting a pet, someone asked if sissys were an option, & you added on that you were available for a financial arrangement.

Honestly- I don’t care much either way.  What matters to me is you never come off as snide or rude.  If the Lindens are bothered by your posts, they will step in.  I’ve gotten in trouble a time or two, gotten a slap on the wrist.

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4 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Maybe, but I'd still prefer to be with a male avatar and a male behind the avatar and that's my preference, so it's what I would be looking for if I ever decided to date in SL again and that's a big if.

There is just something that is a turn on if I know it's really a man as I am not bi-sexual nor attracted to females in a sexual way.  I have my preference too.  I'd want male avatar/male person behind it.  No reason for you to go all homophobic about it.   I mean seriously, let people be themselves and find what they want and if they want to find a heterosexual relationship, that's great.  It's who they are.  

not saying that they cant be, but that is not always the reason for most who do that. for some they actually are homophobic and afraid that the other person is a guy and not a gal.

plus voice does not really prove is a girl. nor does a picture or even video all of that can be faked even video.

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21 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

Your profession is absolutely fine, no issues there at all. It was the constant pushing of it left right and centre, against the forum guidelines, and offering services while denying that you were seeking business and even claiming that you'd refuse clients who found you here. It was the latter that got my goat the most and prompted me to reply to this particular thread. You simply cannot respond to personal ads for relationships offering escort services, especially while pushing your trade in every post, while claiming that you don't seek business here.

Business links in sigs are explicitly allowed. That's why nobody has a problem with them. I'm usually on my phone with a cat on my head and can't see them anyway.

I get the feeling that you are trying to conflate opposition to your constant advertising with judgement on your profession. Please don't do that. Nobody cares what you do, we care about the forums being used against their intended purpose to become a huge billboard for your business. We would say the same if you were a landscaper. I can think of other posters who have adult businesses inworld and there hasn't been a problem there.

Anyway, I'm glad you have the sig sorted now and I look forward to hearing what you have to say when you're not purely on transmit. 

I just simply am here for discussion. Talk to others who do what I do, and see if they would advertise in the forums.

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7 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

not saying that they cant be, but that is not always the reason for most who do that. for some they actually are homophobic and afraid that the other person is a guy and not a gal.

plus voice does not really prove is a girl. nor does a picture or even video all of that can be faked even video.

They might be homophobic but people do meet in rl from sl and are finding what they want.  Plus, I've talked to guys on the telephone from SL.  There was no doubt in my mind it was really a man.

Men turn me on.  Women do not turn me on.

But, I think throwing a homophobic card at heterosexuals is silly.  Plus, if it's paid for, it's their money.  They are looking for what they are looking for.  I know some males that just want some female comfort even.  They just want a women to talk to.  I can understand that.  I just want a man to talk to sometimes as my family and friends are all women.  We had few males born in my family; a male is very rare in my family.  

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13 hours ago, Bagnu said:

Can someone check my sig???

 

13 hours ago, Bagnu said:

Ok, lol I see it!!! This is so much easier, and I don't have to keep repeating myself!!!

 

 

13 hours ago, Bagnu said:

I might have avoided so many conflicts if I knew about this!!!~

 

To me, those comments indicate that you definitely wanted everyone to know you were an escort and that you constantly mentioned it specifically so that anyone and everyone would know and not forget.  I've only sort of been following the forums over the last few weeks, but even an infrequent visitor like me could not possibly miss it - I'm pretty sure I've seen you mention it, sometimes multiple times, in every thread that I've seen you post in.  Identity or not, I can see how that would be seen as constant advertising by many folks.

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4 minutes ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

No one asked me- but I will chime in.

Bagnu, you do mention your SL profession a looooot.  I would say you passively advertise it.

I felt you were actively soliciting a few weeks back on the post wanting a pet, someone asked if sissys were an option, & you added on that you were available for a financial arrangement.

Honestly- I don’t care much either way.  What matters to me is you never come off as snide or rude.  If the Lindens are bothered by your posts, they will step in.  I’ve gotten in trouble a time or two, gotten a slap on the wrist.

I did, because I wanted my perspective know. I now have a sig, which I had no idea about before. I love what I do, and I'm enthusiastic about it. I hope I will never be rude. I can't stand rudeness!!!

I replied to that post, I didn't post an ad.

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2 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I just simply am here for discussion. Talk to others who do what I do, and see if they would advertise in the forums.

Well, there's a specific section for discussions about adult content. I'm sure there are people there who can help you with self promotion. 

Like I said, now that you have your business link in your sig, I look forward to hearing what you have to say when you're not purely on transmit.

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26 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I said nothing inappropriate with my opening post. Soliciting isn't always sexual. 

Also, I wasn't actually referring to this thread specifically. It was a reference in general for topics relating to adult themes.

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2 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

 

 

 

To me, those comments indicate that you definitely wanted everyone to know you were an escort and that you constantly mentioned it specifically so that anyone and everyone would know and not forget.  I've only sort of been following the forums over the last few weeks, but even an infrequent visitor like me could not possibly miss it - I'm pretty sure I've seen you mention it, sometimes multiple times, in every thread that I've seen you post in.  Identity or not, I can see how that would be seen as constant advertising by many folks.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just trying to put the record straight. That was the whole point of this thread. Now I have a sig which clearly explains myself!!!

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2 minutes ago, AdminGirl said:

Also, I wasn't actually referring to this thread specifically. It was a reference in general for topics relating to adult themes.

I feel so terrible that I caused all this fighting and confusion!!!

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