Confused about SL prudishness

[halebore Aeon 3,163]

2 minutes ago, Talligurl said:

SL sex is not real sex, whereas SL gambling is real gambling. With SL sex two real humans bodies are not engaged in intercourse, it is a simulation, but in reality it is more like a porn movie than real sex; It is legal in Florida to go into an adult video store and buy a porn movie, so there should be no issues with paying for a cartoon porn movie on SL, even if one of the characters in it is created by the purchaser. 

Even though it is fake, I think we need to realize that minors are out and doing things. So if we say it's fake, then we are saying that no one is a minor.

[Talligurl 42,581]

5 minutes ago, halebore Aeon said:

It's legal in Nevada actually. Las Vegas has legal Brothels.

I find it interesting that Nevada also has gambling, but Nevada like Florida is one of the states where you cannot gamble in SL. It obviously is not a moral issue, but an economic one, the state gaming board does not want any gambling going on they can't tax. Florida is not different since there are casinos on reservations and casinos on cruse ships, but Floridians cannot go to skilled gaming regions in SL.

[Talligurl 42,581]

1 minute ago, halebore Aeon said:

Even though it is fake, I think we need to realize that minors are out and doing things. So if we say it's fake, then we are saying that no one is a minor.

I am not saying we should not be concerned about minors being involved, just that it isn't the same as prostitution, which is illegal for everyone in many places. Anywhere you go it is illegal to sell porn to minors, and on that level we need to be concerned about minors being involved. I once knew an underage person in SL (I still know him, he is still on SL, but he is no longer underage) I was very careful around him about what I did, but I admit there could be many others who I am not aware of. It is probably to easy just to assume that all of SL rules regarding the age of people in SL are being followed and that we don't need to worry about it.

[halebore Aeon 3,163]

21 minutes ago, Talligurl said:

I am not saying we should not be concerned about minors being involved, just that it isn't the same as prostitution, which is illegal for everyone in many places. Anywhere you go it is illegal to sell porn to minors, and on that level we need to be concerned about minors being involved. I once knew an underage person in SL (I still know him, he is still on SL, but he is no longer underage) I was very careful around him about what I did, but I admit there could be many others who I am not aware of. It is probably to easy just to assume that all of SL rules regarding the age of people in SL are being followed and that we don't need to worry about it.

But how easily can we follow it, if some people like anonymity and that person who wants to stay anonymous is a minor?

 

[Bagnu 2,762]

1 hour ago, Talligurl said:

SL sex is not real sex, whereas SL gambling is real gambling. With SL sex two real humans bodies are not engaged in intercourse, it is a simulation, but in reality it is more like a porn movie than real sex; It is legal in Florida to go into an adult video store and buy a porn movie, so there should be no issues with paying for a cartoon porn movie on SL, even if one of the characters in it is created by the purchaser. 

According to Caroline Takeda, we are porn producers. As long as we don't produce a story or cartoon that is illegal where we live, we are breaking no laws. Even voice is just phone sex.

[halebore Aeon 3,163]

2 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

According to Caroline Takeda, we are porn producers. As long as we don't produce a story or cartoon that is illegal where we live, we are breaking no laws. Even voice is just phone sex.

But still there is the issue of minors getting ahold of it, or minors doing the pixel bumping with said escorts. We really need to kinda look at that issue right there.

[Bagnu 2,762]

4 minutes ago, halebore Aeon said:

But still there is the issue of minors getting ahold of it, or minors doing the pixel bumping with said escorts. We really need to kinda look at that issue right there.

There is no foolproof way of knowing if someone is a minor. They could just give false information when they sign up. Unless RL id's become a signup requirement. I personally don't want anyone under 18 in SL. I just looked up our Canadian laws, and 16 is the age of consent for sex. It goes as low as 12 if the other party isn't older than 14.

Then of course, it wouldn't be difficult for a minor to make a fake id, unless SL starts checking each piece against government records (which would be impossible as so many countries are involved)

I find it bizarre that someone under 18 can legally HAVE sex, but they can't WATCH it.

If someone has payment info on file, then they have to be 18, in Canada anyways, because that is the minimum age to enter into a financial contract e.g. getting a credit card. Not everyone 18 or older has a credit card though.

[halebore Aeon 3,163]

1 minute ago, Bagnu said:

If someone has payment info on file, then they have to be 18, in Canada anyways, because that is the minimum age to enter into a financial contract e.g. getting a credit card. Not everyone 18 or older has a credit card though.

We have Debit Visas in Canada, and there are other ways to pay for SL. Paypal for example, kid can upload money to Paypal and then put said money on SL. Payment info means nothing, when there is more access to it today, than there was say 10 years ago. To be quite frank, I honestly don't agree that a minor can legally have sex. I think it should all be at 18. Sorry, but you're still a minor and you still requires a parent or guardians consent to do most things. Why is sex so different? That all being said, we need a much more stringent system to make sure that people are 18.

[Bagnu 2,762]

1 minute ago, halebore Aeon said:

We have Debit Visas in Canada, and there are other ways to pay for SL. Paypal for example, kid can upload money to Paypal and then put said money on SL. Payment info means nothing, when there is more access to it today, than there was say 10 years ago. To be quite frank, I honestly don't agree that a minor can legally have sex. I think it should all be at 18. Sorry, but you're still a minor and you still requires a parent or guardians consent to do most things. Why is sex so different? That all being said, we need a much more stringent system to make sure that people are 18.

I personally would be much more comfortable knowing everyone is over 18. I'm not a supporter of child AV's either.

It's a difficult issue. Screening doesn't work perfectly in any RL endeavor, and some will always figure out a way to bypass it. That doesn't mean we should give up though.

It's a complex issue with RL sex. If a 12 year old get's pregnant, should she and her partner have charges laid against them? Or their parents? Then it would result in backroom abortions and coat hangers like in the days of my grandmother. A lot of deaths and suicides. I certainly don't think 12 year olds should be having sex though!!!

[halebore Aeon 3,163]

12 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

's a complex issue with RL sex. If a 12 year old get's pregnant, should she and her partner have charges laid against them? Or their parents? Then it would result in backroom abortions and coat hangers like in the days of my grandmother. A lot of deaths and suicides. I certainly don't think 12 year olds should be having sex though!!!

I think if a 12 year old has sex, and gets pregnant it really should be up to her. It is her body after all. But I hope it was with someone her age, and not an adult. That all being said, it is a complex issue to deal with. But with every complex issue, there is a simple solution to fix it. It will just take time to find that solution. But I am with you. If I were bumping pixel uglies, I would want to know they were 18 and not underage. And I would take every precaution.

[Tarina Sewell 1,845]

6 hours ago, halebore Aeon said:

But even then you would have to have red light district regions and only certain countries and states would be able to enter. I do see this as beneficial. But how about we actually have to show our RL IDs before we get doing the SL Nasty. Lol

 

Just like they do it now or had in the past, a DL submission (or passport). This is how they used to age verify.

[Tarina Sewell 1,845]

6 hours ago, Talligurl said:

I find it interesting that Nevada also has gambling, but Nevada like Florida is one of the states where you cannot gamble in SL. It obviously is not a moral issue, but an economic one, the state gaming board does not want any gambling going on they can't tax. Florida is not different since there are casinos on reservations and casinos on cruse ships, but Floridians cannot go to skilled gaming regions in SL.

WE do not as I can recall have any reservations in Florida and all gambling ships must be in international waters before you can gamble.  Although, there is Hard Rock... so, not sure how that works.  I am more of a house of blues kinda gal.....  and lets not forget the Lottery....  odd

Edited July 25, 2020 by Tarina Sewell
I might be wrong about the reservations... I just do not know.

[Tarina Sewell 1,845]

On 7/17/2020 at 4:07 PM, Maitimo said:

Funny thing is, I got a job as a stripper (in a gay male club) within my first two months; I know this because of the datestamps on the snapshots I took there. I am totally self-conscious about being naked in RL, would never do so in front of anyone but my partner. But in SL... yeah. Never been embarrassed about that and still not. But like @Mortified Wanderer, it's all about the community. One of my fave places, where you'll find me at least three or four times a week, is an adult place. It's not my favourite because it's adult, it's my favourite because of the friends I've made there. It was exactly the same for the place I got my first job as a stripper. All about the community.

One of my first places I did the stripper thing was a lesbian club.... that was so much fun... I am trying to remember they name of it... was in a giant shopping mall set on the beach.. I think was supposed to be like Miami... the owner ended up being unmasked as a male.... (straight to) man... memories...

[Silent Mistwalker 1,991]

On 7/18/2020 at 6:21 PM, Bagnu said:

The cockroaches would definitely win, and devour the last human body.

The cockroaches have already won, the last body just hasn't hit the ground yet. Armor plating, you know.

[Bagnu 2,762]

43 minutes ago, Tarina Sewell said:

Just like they do it now or had in the past, a DL submission (or passport). This is how they used to age verify.

I never got asked for any RL verification when I signed up. 

[Talligurl 42,581]

33 minutes ago, Tarina Sewell said:

WE do not as I can recall have any reservations in Florida and all gambling ships must be in international waters before you can gamble.  Although, there is Hard Rock... so, not sure how that works.  I am more of a house of blues kinda gal.....  and lets not forget the Lottery....  odd

Hardrock has gambling because it is run by the Seminole Tribe. You need to research both the Seminoles of Florida and the Miccosukee. They both generate huge profits from casinos.

https://mrg.miccosukee.com/

https://www.semtribe.com/stof

https://www.seminolehardrockhollywood.com/

Edited July 25, 2020 by Talligurl

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold 1,574]

an old video about slsex and why some people might think it goes too far in sl so might ever think it needs to be curbed or toned down.

[halebore Aeon 3,163]

I do however thing everything is hypersexualized now. Especially a lot of clothing brands who sell clothes, that leave very little to the imagination. I am totally fine with sex in SL. I won't partake in it. But I think we as a species hypersexualize everything.

[Bagnu 2,762]

2 hours ago, halebore Aeon said:

I do however thing everything is hypersexualized now. Especially a lot of clothing brands who sell clothes, that leave very little to the imagination. I am totally fine with sex in SL. I won't partake in it. But I think we as a species hypersexualize everything.

I actually think we are LESS sexualized than in the past. I bought an old calendar with ads, and there is no way some of those would ever be allowed now. And watch an old BW movie. Look how beautifully everyone is dressed. Very enticing from both men and women. I have listened to stories from the older generations (when they were being honest), and it was a much more sexual time than now.

Leaving little to the imagination is really not very sexy.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Bagnu

[halebore Aeon 3,163]

3 hours ago, Bagnu said:

I actually think we are LESS sexualized than in the past. I bought an old calendar with ads, and there is no way some of those would ever be allowed now. And watch an old BW movie. Look how beautifully everyone is dressed. Very enticing from both men and women. I have listened to stories from the older generations (when they were being honest), and it was a much more sexual time than now.

Leaving little to the imagination is really not very sexy.

I would have to disagree with you, but to each their own. The LGBT community have been really ramping up the sexuality lately. Which is not a problem. But one can only take so many bulge shots on any gender or one can only take the cheeky BDSM shots. I love that these communities are able to express themselves. I just think that we are kinda hypersexualized in that way.

[Bagnu 2,762]

1 hour ago, halebore Aeon said:

I would have to disagree with you, but to each their own. The LGBT community have been really ramping up the sexuality lately. Which is not a problem. But one can only take so many bulge shots on any gender or one can only take the cheeky BDSM shots. I love that these communities are able to express themselves. I just think that we are kinda hypersexualized in that way.

That wasn't what I was referring to lol!!! We can discuss sexuality more openly these days!!!

[Orwar 18,349]

On 7/24/2020 at 10:54 PM, Bagnu said:

There is no foolproof way of knowing if someone is a minor.

   Sure is - start booking your appointments for 2039 and onward. Foolproof! 

[halebore Aeon 3,163]

20 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

That wasn't what I was referring to lol!!! We can discuss sexuality more openly these days!!!

I understand that, but I was referring more to people talking in great detail publicly about their sexual exploits.

[Bagnu 2,762]

22 minutes ago, halebore Aeon said:

I understand that, but I was referring more to people talking in great detail publicly about their sexual exploits.

Of course!!! I'm not disagreeing with you!!!

[Drake1 Nightfire 3,355]

6 hours ago, Bagnu said:

I actually think we are LESS sexualized than in the past. I bought an old calendar with ads, and there is no way some of those would ever be allowed now. And watch an old BW movie. Look how beautifully everyone is dressed. Very enticing from both men and women. I have listened to stories from the older generations (when they were being honest), and it was a much more sexual time than now.

Leaving little to the imagination is really not very sexy.

What you are talking about is sensuality not sexuality. There is a big difference. The Dance of the Seven Veils is sensual as all get out, a silicone stripper on a pole is sexual.