How do you use rlv?

[LadyDragoness888]

I recently get firestorm and got the WMS, is it possible to have multiple avatars able to use the same system but have a different set of shapes assigned to each avatar?

[Aethelwine]

I use RLV mainly for huds that automatically open and close the map window to update waypoints or teleport, but have dabbled with outfits.

I had to look up WMS, which is Weight Management System? If so then your question is very specialist, you will probably get a more informed answer using the support group for the product.

I presume it uses functionality in RLV to manage outfits. Whilst the implementation I played with was designed to have a basic folder with things like eyes and skin common to all the outfits in one folder, I see no reason why you couldn't use that functionality to dispense with anything in the basic folder and just have different avatars in the outfit folders. It could get complicated. It might be easier to have different RLV folders for each avatar look and swap them out by copy and pasting in the inventory when you change looks. But this is just conjecture really saying it sounds like it would be possible, but how you would want to do it will depend on how the WMS system works.

[Pussycat Catnap]

I would love an RLV HUd that was just the outfit and force sit feature...

RLV is insane script bloat and so much of that is weird junk like "custom titles" and particle leash rezzers and forced sit poses and so on and so forth, etc...

If SL concepts made it into the dictionary, under "bloatware" there'd be a reference to Open Collar... I suspect somewhere in there is a script to rezz a bwind sailing boat because... why not... everything else is in there...

 

[Sabrina Tamerlane]

RLV does not take that much, but it costs a listen to make sure that it is active on the viewer. There is a lot to learn from OC code, yes there are some flaws but there are also some very good ideas.

[Pussycat Catnap]

There's no excuse for a 1mb script.

Just some of what's going on:

- That's bloatware. And this version, the peanut, is slimmed down from the other popular fork... plus I've actually deleted some of the scripts...

 

Here's the other fork (version) for Open Collar:

- The last 4 scripted items up there are my scripts. Bloat is a serious problem with scripts in SL, but RLV collars often lead the pack on this problem...

An astute observer might notice I've also deleted parts of this one...

 

Do note that I have made the same complaint about the top 4 items in that list up there. I love that hair I have on but almost never wear it because... how does a hair need 256kb? I've played entire computer games that were smaller than that... And I wish I could clean out the Catwa scripts - I can, but it's all or nothing. If I clean them out many animations break. Give me the ability to split configs apart from 'usage'. The Sensations thing is new, and mod, so I have been experimenting with which scripts I can cut out and still have 'normal usage'.

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Pussycat Catnap

[Aethelwine]

5 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

I would love an RLV HUd that was just the outfit and force sit feature...

RLV is insane script bloat and so much of that is weird junk like "custom titles" and particle leash rezzers and forced sit poses and so on and so forth, etc...

If SL concepts made it into the dictionary, under "bloatware" there'd be a reference to Open Collar... I suspect somewhere in there is a script to rezz a bwind sailing boat because... why not... everything else is in there...

 

A quick search of marketplace brings up a few RLV wardrobes, also some other things that just seem to enable force sit.

Have you tried any of them?

[Aethelwine]

56 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

There's no excuse for a 1mb script.

Just some of what's going on:

- That's bloatware. And this version, the peanut, is slimmed down from the other popular fork... plus I've actually deleted some of the scripts...

 

In the image you show Avatar Script usage. It used to be hidden away in "about land" but it has gone now, where do you find it now?

i have been using this to find script count and it gives much bigger values when you inspect the items.

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Aethelwine

[Sabrina Tamerlane]

1 hour ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

There's no excuse for a 1mb script.

 

Oh you are right. I have taken a long break and didn't realize that OC had inflated so much! RLV does not take that much code when limited to a few functions.

[Pussycat Catnap]

1 hour ago, Aethelwine said:

In the image you show Avatar Script usage. It used to be hidden away in "about land" but it has gone now, where do you find it now?

i have been using this to find script count and it gives much bigger values when you inspect the items.

 

[Pussycat Catnap]

9 hours ago, LadyDragoness888 said:

I recently get firestorm and got the WMS, is it possible to have multiple avatars able to use the same system but have a different set of shapes assigned to each avatar?

Ok my rant aside... WMS is the "Weight Management System"?

This seems like it would depend on that specific system. I've never heard of it but the pictures of things sold for it on Marketplace suggest it's an RLV system to control avatar weight for simulated fitness and dieting?

I highly suspect you'll be restricted to needing to buy a copy of it for each account / alt. But for each 'design' of your account - like if you have a furry, an elf, a human, a robot, and a dragon... then... I don't know - the system should come with some kind of notecard to describe how it works.

I'd suspect a system like this working through RLV would start to restrict your avatar-theme choices otherwise you'd just wear a new outfit to skip out of it... but it might have profiles or something. You'd be best off contacting the seller or finding a group for people who use the system.

 

- Oh and... if this doesn't require you to be wearing an 'Open Collar' but works through it's own thing that ONLY controls what it does... that'd be an example of writing the scripts right... not having bloatware... 🙂 But if it requires an Open Collar... then I'd have my rant to make again... 😉

(of the eleventy-gabillion features in Open Collar, I feel each one of them should be it's own individual system made in a 1 - 64kb script... there are two competing models of Open Collar made by devs that violently hate each other... but as an outsider I look at them and just see drama and both of them making the same mistakes...)

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Pussycat Catnap

[kali Wylder]

I don't use RLV these days.  But my first SL lover liked it for taking my clothes off.  Life was simpler in those days, not so many  clothing objects, mostly system clothes. I don't know how it works with mesh, you don't want to take all the objects off, you would be removing the mesh body, eyes, head, and hair, and it would not be romantic. I am not into BDSM, so I don't have much use for RLV anymore.

[Pussycat Catnap]

5 minutes ago, kali Wylder said:

I don't use RLV these days.  But my first SL lover liked it for taking my clothes off.  Life was simpler in those days, not so many  clothing objects, mostly system clothes. I don't know how it works with mesh, you don't want to take all the objects off, you would be removing the mesh body, eyes, head, and hair, and it would not be romantic. I am not into BDSM, so I don't have much use for RLV anymore.

Yeah. The two open collar systems handle it differently in the fine details but the rough concept is you make a folder of things that can't be removed, and some outfits that RLV can access and people with access to you can swap your outfits between those. Then there is a second system because of bloatware that roughly does the same thing... a set of protected items, and people can access your list of worn things and remove stuff that isn't protected and I "think" peruse some parts of your inventory and attach things... but not sure on this last part...

And both versions of open collar have both of these systems...

[kali Wylder]

9 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Yeah. The two open collar systems handle it differently in the fine details but the rough concept is you make a folder of things that can't be removed, and some outfits that RLV can access and people with access to you can swap your outfits between those. Then there is a second system because of bloatware that roughly does the same thing... a set of protected items, and people can access your list of worn things and remove stuff that isn't protected and I "think" peruse some parts of your inventory and attach things... but not sure on this last part...

And both versions of open collar have both of these systems...

yeah, that does sound bloated....

 

[Paul Hexem]

My uses for RLV:

Stargate teleports that work on any sim, without Experiences.

A shoebase system I made for my lady friend that auto corrects height for sitting after adjusting to tall platform shoes.

A shape and physics changing HUD also for my lady friend that detects different outfits and adjusts her stuff automatically to fit. I tried to do one for the Belleza perky and push up options too, but that'd need an API.

Teleport, follow, sit/stand system to move my bots around without having to switch to their viewer.

Plus a few other things I'm not thinking of at the moment. I make my own scripts. No bloated collars.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Paul Hexem

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

The reason the code is so much in so many collars is because of all the features it allows. It is doing multiple things in one device. You can reduce the script count by taking out all but the core needed scripts to make the collar work.

Using an OC or VD or any collar for wardrobe management alone is not very wise to begin with, its not really meant to be used in that way.

OC and VD collars are more meant for bdsm couples and less for single user use. They are not meant for wardrobe only management. If that is the only thing your wanting from them then yes it will use more script memory and time then you might like. I would suggest finding something else for your wardrobe management needs then a collar.

I have used both collar systems for several years..they are more designed for the M/s and D/s dynamics then single use as a WMS.

Its not bloatware at all.. it is there for a reason. just because you dont like the extra features being added does not make it bloatware.

bdsm collars are not meant for use as WMS alone and never was or ever will be. they will never just be made for use as a WMS either.

If your wanting a wardrobe management system  aka WMS...you might look at these instead of a collar.

If your hellbent on using something for your wardrobe management other then the built in features of the viewer you might also take a look at

Whim. its a transformation system used in objectification play that can work as a WMS.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Drakonadrgora Darkfold

[steeljane42]

1 hour ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Its not bloatware at all.. it is there for a reason. just because you dont like the extra features being added does not make it bloatware.

Pretty much. But some people just have this approach. "I don't use or need it, so it's bad". It can be about scripted stuff, like in this case (although there's also a heavy bias. 1280kb for collar is a bloat, 720kb for that sensation thing is not), or about mesh. I started after mesh already was a thing in SL, but I still met a fair share of people that were were anti-mesh and kept repeating how terrible it is and how it kills SL.

Sometimes I'm convinced that some of those people are paranoidal enough about lag, that they actually would like if whole SL's userbase was nothing, but people wearing prim cubes as avatars (without any custom textures, of course, it's also causes lag!), and scripts didn't exist to begin with.

Also "lol complaing about collars when scripted npc babies and breedables exist". Some of those "babies" reach 10mb and 150 scripts just for one, and consume more server's CPU time than 3-4 actual avatars.

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As for the RLV. I like it and use it for various things (mostly for the original kinky purposes), not myself, though, but on others. For me it makes SL better, unlike so many other things (that others might enjoy).

[Anna Salyx]

I came to say much of what Drakonadrgora but they said it much better   

I just wanted to add that If you are looking for a comprehensive wardrobe management system, you might look at the CTS Wardrobe.  I know a few people who use it and like it, it's just not for me, personally.  it's got a visual web interface too which is a plus,  but also it's a downside if the maker ever stops supporting it.  that's a caveat to be considered.  But if you are looking for a simple, i just need  to swap things out occasionally, add/remove huds, change shapes,  etc.  find a scripter and see if they can make you something that's light but easy to use if there's not a system to your liking already on the MP or in stores inworld.

 

 

[Sabrina Tamerlane]

 

9 hours ago, kali Wylder said:

. I am not into BDSM, so I don't have much use for RLV anymore.

Sometimes when you take a pose your feet don't touch the ground. With RLV you can adjust your height. I am using it in my AO, it only takes a few lines of code, and yes I have found this idea in Open Collar.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Sabrina Tamerlane

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

9 hours ago, kali Wylder said:

I don't use RLV these days.  But my first SL lover liked it for taking my clothes off.  Life was simpler in those days, not so many  clothing objects, mostly system clothes. I don't know how it works with mesh, you don't want to take all the objects off, you would be removing the mesh body, eyes, head, and hair, and it would not be romantic. I am not into BDSM, so I don't have much use for RLV anymore.

rlv can be used for more than just bdsm. that is only one part of its possible use. It can be used in games to make them more realistic, it can be used for having someone follow you when you go to places and they might be afk at the moment. it can be used for wardrobe management, or to securely lock items on you so they cant be removed by bad teleports aka being ghosted.

rlv is not just bdsm..