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Yoki Enoch wrote:


valerie Inshan wrote:

There is no reason why LL should get rid of Viewer 2 because some users dislike it. You are free to choose a third party viewer from the list here:


"Some" users dislike it? ROTFLMAO. Watch what happens when Viewer 2.x is made mandatory... time to update your resumes, Lindens.

LL is never going to make v2 mandatory so quit beating that dead horse. What they will do is one day drop support for their v1 based viewers. They will not, repeat not, REPEAT NOT prevent v1 based TPVs from logging in so long as the developers update their viewers to work with the grid. Even then I don't think LL will bother. If you want to use a broken viewer that can't see half the objects in the sim and can't use half the protocols the sim uses to communicate just because it has a UI you like better I doubt LL will stop you. They still let people login with 1.19.0.4 after all and that viewer will crash the moment it sees an oblong sculpty.

Of course none of that matters since the TPVs are updating stuff. Your fear mongering is betraying you.

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Innula Zenovka wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:


Innula Zenovka wrote:


BayleeSimone wrote:

  If I have to take a class to figure it out, it is too complicated.

I dunno.  Phoenix is a very popular viewer, of course, despite the fact they offer frequent classes, "Phoenix 101", in how best to use it.  That suggests to me a fair number of people must feel in need of assistance in figuring it out.  

 

Oh boy. LL dares not reveal that Viewer 2.x needs a post-graduate degree to learn how to use it. Forget "Viewer 2.x 101".

All I can say is I can't see how it's any more complicated for a new user than is 1.23, which is hardly the most intuitive of UIs, though we all rapidly became used to it when first we started.   And I didn't find it particularly taxing to get used to the new V2 UI.  I found it a bit like driving a new car you're not used to; it's a bit hairy at first because everything's in the wrong place, but after a day or so it's second nature.  The keyboard shortcuts are all the same, as far as I can tell, which I found a great help. 

What do you find so difficult about it?   I'm not disagreeing with you, nor saying you should like, or even use, V2.   It's just I use Marine's RLV a lot and -- maybe because it's got a Starlight skin -- I find it perfectly simple to use.

I can cope with the Viewer 2.x interface, just like I can cope with an MS-DOS interface versus a Windows 7 interface. However, I refuse to downgrade to Viewer 2.x, in the same way I would refuse to downgrade to MS-DOS 6.1.

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leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:


valerie Inshan wrote:

There is no reason why LL should get rid of Viewer 2 because some users dislike it. You are free to choose a third party viewer from the list here:


"Some" users dislike it? ROTFLMAO. Watch what happens when Viewer 2.x is made mandatory... time to update your resumes, Lindens.

LL is never going to make v2 mandatory so quit beating that dead horse. What they will do is one day drop support for
their
v1 based viewers. They will not, repeat not,
REPEAT NOT
prevent v1 based TPVs from logging in so long as the developers update their viewers to work with the grid. Even then I don't think LL will bother. If you want to use a broken viewer that can't see half the objects in the sim and can't use half the protocols the sim uses to communicate just because it has a UI you like better I doubt LL will stop you. They still let people login with 1.19.0.4 after all and that viewer will crash the moment it sees an oblong sculpty.

Of course none of that matters since the TPVs are updating stuff. Your fear mongering is betraying you.

The only broken Viewer used in SL is Viewer 2.x. It was broken from the beginning, and it is impossible to fix. The interface is of extremely poor quality, and the search function is non-existent. If it is fear mongering to say just watch what is going to happen, then sobeit. At least I will not be there to see the deluge.

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Yoki Enoch wrote:

I can cope with the Viewer 2.x interface, just like I can cope with an MS-DOS interface versus a Windows 7 interface. However, I refuse to downgrade to Viewer 2.x, in the same way I would refuse to downgrade to MS-DOS 6.1.

Yeah, but if someone asked me to explain why I would find MS-DOS now so difficult to use as compared with Windows 7, it would be easy for me to tell them that I can't remember all the commands and find remembering file paths, and typing  them out in full,  and having manually to change directories, and so forth, very arduous as compared with just clicking on stuff with my mouse pointer and using context menus and dragging and dropping and so on.

What is it about V2 that you find similarly arduous?

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Yoki Enoch wrote:

The only broken Viewer used in SL is Viewer 2.x. It was broken from the beginning, and it is impossible to fix. The interface is of extremely poor quality, and the search function is non-existent. If it is fear mongering to say just watch what is going to happen, then sobeit. At least I will not be there to see the deluge.

I think I liked you a lot better a few months back when you were more reasonable. Now a days it seems you won't be happy until LL deletes everything to do with v2 and goes back to v1. And no, apparently TPVs aren't good enough for you. You must get your one true viewer straight from the hands of the Linden gods or else the world is doomed. I'm sorry for wasting your time, I mistakenly thought you wanted to discuss this.

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leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

The only broken Viewer used in SL is Viewer 2.x. It was broken from the beginning, and it is impossible to fix. The interface is of extremely poor quality, and the search function is non-existent. If it is fear mongering to say just watch what is going to happen, then sobeit. At least I will not be there to see the deluge.

I think I liked you a lot better a few months back when you were more reasonable. Now a days it seems you won't be happy until LL deletes everything to do with v2 and goes back to v1. And no, apparently TPVs aren't good enough for you. You must get your one true viewer straight from the hands of the Linden gods or else the world is doomed. I'm sorry for wasting your time, I mistakenly thought you wanted to discuss this.

All LL has to do is admit it made a big mistake with Viewer 2.x, and redesign it from scratch, making sure its interface is intuitive and better than the interface in Viewer 1.x. It should also ensure that the search function at least matches the search function of Viewer 1.x. Unless LL does this, it will be in for some serious problems down the line. Unfortunately, given the nature of the Linden mind-set, and I have had the opportunity to look right inside there a few months ago, the above just won't happen. It is too bad really, but given the recent developments, I feel like I am looking at a train heading straight for oblivion when it come to LL and Viewers. It is unfortunate and so unnecessary, but such is life.

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Yoki Enoch wrote:

I can cope with the Viewer 2.x interface, just like I can cope with an MS-DOS interface versus a Windows 7 interface. However, I refuse to downgrade to Viewer 2.x, in the same way I would refuse to downgrade to MS-DOS 6.1.

Yeah, but if someone asked me to explain why I would find MS-DOS now so difficult to use as compared with Windows 7, it would be easy for me to tell them that I can't remember all the commands and find remembering file paths, and typing  them out in full,  and having manually to change directories, and so forth, very arduous as compared with just clicking on stuff with my mouse pointer and using context menus and dragging and dropping and so on.

What is it about V2 that you find similarly arduous?

I simply refuse to use downgrades unless forced to do so. With SL, I am not so forced to do so. Thus, when I am forced to use the Viewer 2.x interface, I simply won't. Since it takes 3 to 4 extra clicks to accomplish the exact same thing one can accomplishes in a Viewer 1.x viewer with fewer clicks, not to mention the non-existant search function in Viewer 2.x, which is affecting the economy in SL, believe it or not....should I go on?

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Yoki Enoch wrote:

All LL has to do is admit it made a big mistake with Viewer 2.x, and redesign it from scratch, making sure its interface is intuitive and better than the interface in Viewer 1.x. 

It will take years to redesign the viewer from scratch so what exactly are we supposed to do in the mean time? Oh yeah that's right, nothing. The grid will fall even farther into obsolescence than it already is. That would kill SL even faster than forcing everyone to use v2.

Incremental improvements on the existing code base is the only way forwards. Just use a TPV while you wait.

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Yoki Enoch wrote:

All LL has to do is admit it made a big mistake with Viewer 2.x, and redesign it from scratch, making sure its interface is intuitive and better than the interface in Viewer 1.x. 

It will take years to redesign the viewer from scratch so what exactly are we supposed to do in the mean time? Oh yeah that's right, nothing. The grid will fall even farther into obsolescence than it already is. That would kill SL even faster than forcing everyone to use v2.

Incremental improvements on the existing code base is the only way forwards. Just use a TPV while you wait.

I will try using a TPV viewer when forced to do so, in hope that this might be ok. As for killing SL, like I have said before, watch what happens when Viewer 2.x is forced upon us. SL won't collapse, but it will go into a severe decline from which it may never recover.

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I will try using a TPV viewer when forced to do so, in hope that this might be ok. As for killing SL, like I have said before, watch what happens when Viewer 2.x is forced upon us. SL won't collapse, but it will go into a severe decline from which it may never recover.


How are you gonna use a TPV if you're forced to use v2? I think that's a problem right there. You keep conflating things together. 

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Yoki Enoch wrote:

I will try using a TPV viewer when forced to do so, in hope that this might be ok. As for killing SL, like I have said before, watch what happens when Viewer 2.x is forced upon us. SL won't collapse, but it will go into a severe decline from which it may never recover.


How are you gonna use a TPV if you're forced to use v2? I think that's a problem right there. You keep conflating things together. 

If LL eliminates the use of TPVs as well, then my decision is made for me, isn't it.

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Yoki Enoch wrote:


leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

I will try using a TPV viewer when forced to do so, in hope that this might be ok. As for killing SL, like I have said before, watch what happens when Viewer 2.x is forced upon us. SL won't collapse, but it will go into a severe decline from which it may never recover.


How are you gonna use a TPV if you're forced to use v2? I think that's a problem right there. You keep conflating things together. 

If LL eliminates the use of TPVs as well, then my decision is made for me, isn't it.

And you think LL is going to do this because of?

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Yoki Enoch wrote:


Innula Zenovka wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

I can cope with the Viewer 2.x interface, just like I can cope with an MS-DOS interface versus a Windows 7 interface. However, I refuse to downgrade to Viewer 2.x, in the same way I would refuse to downgrade to MS-DOS 6.1.

Yeah, but if someone asked me to explain why I would find MS-DOS now so difficult to use as compared with Windows 7, it would be easy for me to tell them that I can't remember all the commands and find remembering file paths, and typing  them out in full,  and having manually to change directories, and so forth, very arduous as compared with just clicking on stuff with my mouse pointer and using context menus and dragging and dropping and so on.

What is it about V2 that you find similarly arduous?

I simply refuse to use downgrades unless forced to do so. With SL, I am not so forced to do so. Thus, when I am forced to use the Viewer 2.x interface, I simply won't. Since it takes 3 to 4 extra clicks to accomplish the exact same thing one can accomplishes in a Viewer 1.x viewer with fewer clicks, not to mention the non-existent search function in Viewer 2.x, which is affecting the economy in SL, believe it or not....should I go on?

While I know people say everything takes a lot more keystrokes, I can't say I've noticed it most of the time when I'm building and scripting, though looking at (and changing) permissions on items in your inventory is a bit of a pain.  And I am told that if you're a serious clothes-maker, V2 isn't the viewer of choice, which I can understand.      Search could certainly use some work, or so I am told, but I've long been out of the habit it of using because it was -- at least when i gave up on it, almost four years ago, just after I started -- pretty hopeless, anyway.   So I couldn't say for sure.  

In contrast, some things, like being able to pin your favourites to a hideable menu bar at the top, are great timesavers -- just click and tp.    And I find being able to put multiple items on the same clothing layer a huge convenience when putting together outfits -- e.g. a long blouse or shirt and a jacket on the same layer, which always looks better than having the blouse as two separate layers.   It's also  a moneysaver -- instead of buying several different skins, identical safe for the makeup, I can get one base skin and some packs of lipsticks, eyeshadows and so on, as tattoo layers, at considerably less expense.

I tried V2 when first it came out and hated it, so I saw no reason to bother with it.   But earlier in the year I decided to bite the bullet and familiarise myself with it, partly because I wanted to be sure my scripts, particularly RLV ones, worked the same way in both V1 and V2-based viewers (they don't always -- and my advice to any serious scripter now is to test your products, RLV or not, in both viewers plus the main TPVs, otherwise you're asking for trouble), and partly because I wanted to be able to support customers who use V2.     So I made myself start using Catznip, Dolphin and Marine's RLV, and found that they really weren't too bad to use.    And after a little while, I decided that, for me at least, their benefits outweighed their disadvantages, at least for most purposes.   So now I use one of those all the time except when I need to take advantage of the specialised building tools in some of the Snowglobe-based TPVs (being able to have the edit window do simple mathematical calculations is sometimes very useful, for example, and for that I use Imprudence).

You used the comparison of Windows 7 and MS-DOS.   I think a more accurate comparison -- based on my experience, anyway -- would be between XP and Windows 7.  I was quite content with XP and only changed because I upgraded my PC, and for a few days I didn't much like Windows 7, because a lot of stuff wasn't where I was used to finding it -- though I soon overcame that --  and some things were - - and continue to be -- simply easier to do in XP.   But, on the other hand, there's lots that's easier in Windows 7 and, on the whole, I'm glad I switched.

All I'm saying is that, while it may well have been reasonable to dismiss V2 out of hand when first it was released -- I did, after an hour or so -- it's no longer reasonable so to do, particularly if you apply one of the Starlight skins.   I don't say people should use it, but I do say that they shouldn't be put off trying V2.6 simply because they hated V2.1.

 

 

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@thread, but vaguely related to Innula's request for clarification of V2 troubles

I make no bones about my dislike for v2, whether it be the mutiple bugs breaking long standing functionality (--login, --noprobe,full screen, UI scale, etc ad nausem), poor layout choices (sidebar that resizes the world and breaks huds, over sized panels and headers, wasted top bar space), or poor ui choices (grey on black with eye burning green links, inability to customize and or retain customizations, to dark elements blotting out the world, etc)......

things have improved slowly.... much too slowly IMO... but still improved.

I think though, that the problems can all be exemplified in one change.... the loss of the pie menu. From a user perspective, Pie was new to most, and I won't argue that it suffered from some problems in regards to consistency.... there were times when clicking one thing put an option in one place, and clicking on a different item had it in another... that was bad. What was good about it was that all of your click targets were large, while not obscuring what was behind them, and keeping all options in close proximity. like any menu you did have to learn where all the options were, but once you did, navigating it could done almost blindly, right click, twitch, click, click, twitch, click. it's a paradigm very suited for fast navigation, especially considering the large screen spaces of modern monitors....

in contrast, the change back to linear menus is a step backwards, menus obscure the world, the click targets are tiny in an attempt to minimize that, requiring extra precision to navigate, the windows that they open are usually in completely unrelated default areas, and in many cases either cannot be set to new defaults, or spontaneously revert to previous defaults. leading into another pet peeve of mine that window position and stickiness (presence after relog) are completely random, varying from completely unstuck, to cannot get rid of it or resize it in a meaningful way (evidence the worst offenders, torn off sidebar tabs that don't stay minimized, spontaneously revert to the sidebar, cant be removed (evidence: "home") and the worst, the huge My Profile that's utterly useless no matter where it is since the adoption of the painfully slow and frequently broken web profiles.

and mind you this is in a viewer that supposed to give you a "more browser-like experience"... except the part where browsers have been increasing UI configurable since before SL was open to the public.

that's not to say that V1 interface was a model of efficiency... the sheer wall of options thrown at you from the begining was and still is daunting to new users.... it's the equivalent of going from driving a car, to a modern aircraft cockpit with buttons and gauges everywhere, although to it's credit it did a pretty good job of not overly obscuring the world, which, after all, is the whole point of logging in.

and therein lies the key difference, and the thing that V2 development needs to learn from V1 interface... V2 encourages passive observation through it's dramatically different interface compared to the world and it's relegation of the world view to a pretty background picture to looks at by excessively intrusive and focus required design elements... compared to the world focused and interactive design of the V1 interface... the more you draw the user out of the world, the less attachment to it they'll have... and no attachment is developed if they aren't allowed to immerse themselves....

The actual content needs to be the focus, and only obscured when you just can't help it... every successful interactive environment follows that basic precept, whether it's video games and their minimal information displays, or cars in RL with unobstructed views of the surroundings, everything must be secondary to the environment, and only intruded upon at the time and location of the users need.

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leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:


leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

I will try using a TPV viewer when forced to do so, in hope that this might be ok. As for killing SL, like I have said before, watch what happens when Viewer 2.x is forced upon us. SL won't collapse, but it will go into a severe decline from which it may never recover.


How are you gonna use a TPV if you're forced to use v2? I think that's a problem right there. You keep conflating things together. 

If LL eliminates the use of TPVs as well, then my decision is made for me, isn't it.

And you think LL is going to do this because of?

Do what? Cripple SL? LL will do this because that is its destiny. It  had a good shot at it 3 years ago and almost succeeded. This time it has a much better chance..

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Innula Zenovka wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:


Innula Zenovka wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

I can cope with the Viewer 2.x interface, just like I can cope with an MS-DOS interface versus a Windows 7 interface. However, I refuse to downgrade to Viewer 2.x, in the same way I would refuse to downgrade to MS-DOS 6.1.

Yeah, but if someone asked me to explain why I would find MS-DOS now so difficult to use as compared with Windows 7, it would be easy for me to tell them that I can't remember all the commands and find remembering file paths, and typing  them out in full,  and having manually to change directories, and so forth, very arduous as compared with just clicking on stuff with my mouse pointer and using context menus and dragging and dropping and so on.

What is it about V2 that you find similarly arduous?

I simply refuse to use downgrades unless forced to do so. With SL, I am not so forced to do so. Thus, when I am forced to use the Viewer 2.x interface, I simply won't. Since it takes 3 to 4 extra clicks to accomplish the exact same thing one can accomplishes in a Viewer 1.x viewer with fewer clicks, not to mention the non-existent search function in Viewer 2.x, which is affecting the economy in SL, believe it or not....should I go on?

While I know people say everything takes a lot more keystrokes, I can't say I've noticed it most of the time when I'm building and scripting, though looking at (and changing) permissions on items in your inventory is a bit of a pain.  And I am told that if you're a serious clothes-maker, V2 isn't the viewer of choice, which I can understand.      Search could certainly use some work, or so I am told, but I've long been out of the habit it of using because it was -- at least when i gave up on it, almost four years ago, just after I started -- pretty hopeless, anyway.   So I couldn't say for sure.  

In contrast, some things, like being able to pin your favourites to a hideable menu bar at the top, are great timesavers -- just click and tp.    And I find being able to put multiple items on the same clothing layer a huge convenience when putting together outfits -- e.g. a long blouse or shirt and a jacket on the same layer, which always looks better than having the blouse as two separate layers.   It's also  a moneysaver -- instead of buying several different skins, identical safe for the makeup, I can get one base skin and some packs of lipsticks, eyeshadows and so on, as tattoo layers, at considerably less expense.

I tried V2 when first it came out and hated it, so I saw no reason to bother with it.   But earlier in the year I decided to bite the bullet and familiarise myself with it, partly because I wanted to be sure my scripts, particularly RLV ones, worked the same way in both V1 and V2-based viewers (they don't always -- and my advice to any serious scripter now is to test your products, RLV or not, in both viewers plus the main TPVs, otherwise you're asking for trouble), and partly because I wanted to be able to support customers who use V2.     So I made myself start using Catznip, Dolphin and Marine's RLV, and found that they really weren't too bad to use.    And after a little while, I decided that, for me at least, their benefits outweighed their disadvantages, at least for most purposes.   So now I use one of those all the time except when I need to take advantage of the specialised building tools in some of the Snowglobe-based TPVs (being able to have the edit window do simple mathematical calculations is sometimes very useful, for example, and for that I use Imprudence).

You used the comparison of Windows 7 and MS-DOS.   I think a more accurate comparison -- based on my experience, anyway -- would be between XP and Windows 7.  I was quite content with XP and only changed because I upgraded my PC, and for a few days I didn't much like Windows 7, because a lot of stuff wasn't where I was used to finding it -- though I soon overcame that --  and some things were - - and continue to be -- simply easier to do in XP.   But, on the other hand, there's lots that's easier in Windows 7 and, on the whole, I'm glad I switched.

All I'm saying is that, while it may well have been reasonable to dismiss V2 out of hand when first it was released -- I did, after an hour or so -- it's no longer reasonable so to do, particularly if you apply one of the Starlight skins.   I don't say people should use it, but I do say that they shouldn't be put off trying V2.6 simply because they hated V2.1.

 

 

I gave Viewer 2.x three good tries last year. After hours of use each time, I concluded 3 times that Viewer 2.x was a piece of crap.

 If you want to compare XP and Windows 7, sure. Such a comparison is more appropriate. I used XP for years and was very used to it. When Windows 7 came along, it was more than just a breath of fresh air, it was absolutely wonderful. There is no comparison between the two. Windows 7 rocks.

Why is it that whenever I tried Viewer 2.x, that I came to the conclusion is was a piece of crap and went back to the old Viewer? So Viewer 2.x to me is a downgrade. It's user interface is so unbelievably poor, that I actually suspected at one time that a major competitor of LL's sabotaged the Viewer 2.x program. Such a conclusion, of course, is not necessary since LL's habitual incompetence is more likely the culprit.

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Do what? Cripple SL? LL will do this because that is its destiny. It  had a good shot at it 3 years ago and almost succeeded. This time it has a much better chance..

You're intentionally dodging the question and invoking the will of the gods, aren't you? What makes you so certain that LL will one day prevent TPVs from logging in?

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Yoki Enoch wrote:

Do what? Cripple SL? LL will do this because that is its destiny. It  had a good shot at it 3 years ago and almost succeeded. This time it has a much better chance..

You're intentionally dodging the question and invoking the will of the gods, aren't you? What makes you so certain that LL will one day prevent TPVs from logging in?

For those who can come up with a scenario that could not possibly be put into effect because of its stupidity, have yet to meet Linden Lab. The creation of Viewer 2.x is testament to this fact.

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every large scale change in SL has had people claiming it will be the end of SL... and every such change in the future will hear the same claims until the end of time if need be.

assuming that some other disaster doesn't overtake the world first, eventually one of them might even be right.... but lacking an actual reason, they (and you) still have it wrong.... saying the "signs are there" about the same bs that was claimed the last time isn't really a sign of anything, much to Doomsayers dismay, but it sounds good (after all the world was supposed to end last Saturday... yet here we still are chatting away)

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every large scale change in SL has had people claiming it will be the end of SL... and every such change in the future will hear the same claims until the end of time if need be.

assuming that some other disaster doesn't overtake the world first, eventually one of them might even be right.... but lacking an actual reason, they (and you) still have it wrong.... saying the "signs are there" about the same bs that was claimed the last time isn't really a sign of anything, much to Doomsayers dismay, but it sounds good (after all the world was supposed to end last Saturday... yet here we still are chatting away)

I am not suggesting doom, just further decline, just as it has been happening ever since Viewer 2.x was first introduced. It is not just a coincidence.

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Void Singer wrote:

every large scale change in SL has had people claiming it will be the end of SL... and every such change in the future will hear the same claims until the end of time if need be.

assuming that some other disaster doesn't overtake the world first, eventually one of them might even be right.... but lacking an actual reason, they (and you) still have it wrong.... saying the "signs are there" about the same bs that was claimed the last time isn't really a sign of anything, much to Doomsayers dismay, but it sounds good (after all the world was supposed to end last Saturday... yet here we still are chatting away)

Ahh yes..."the world is ending". We've dismissed that claim.

But have we Void? Have we?

How do you know the afterlife doesn't have message boards? We could be on one right now. Ghosts don't always know they're ghosts. Just ask Bruce Willis. :womanvery-happy:

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Yoki Enoch wrote:


leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

Do what? Cripple SL? LL will do this because that is its destiny. It  had a good shot at it 3 years ago and almost succeeded. This time it has a much better chance..

You're intentionally dodging the question and invoking the will of the gods, aren't you? What makes you so certain that LL will one day prevent TPVs from logging in?

For those who can come up with a scenario that could not possibly be put into effect because of its stupidity, have yet to meet Linden Lab. The creation of Viewer 2.x is testament to this fact.

There's a big gap, though, between "something could possibly happen" to "it's going to happen" or even "there is any indication it's likely to happen," is there not?

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Yoki Enoch wrote:


leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

Do what? Cripple SL? LL will do this because that is its destiny. It  had a good shot at it 3 years ago and almost succeeded. This time it has a much better chance..

You're intentionally dodging the question and invoking the will of the gods, aren't you? What makes you so certain that LL will one day prevent TPVs from logging in?

For those who can come up with a scenario that could not possibly be put into effect because of its stupidity, have yet to meet Linden Lab. The creation of Viewer 2.x is testament to this fact.

Obvious troll is obvious. Wasting my time with bs. Go crawl back under your bridge.

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Innula Zenovka wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:


leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

Do what? Cripple SL? LL will do this because that is its destiny. It  had a good shot at it 3 years ago and almost succeeded. This time it has a much better chance..

You're intentionally dodging the question and invoking the will of the gods, aren't you? What makes you so certain that LL will one day prevent TPVs from logging in?

For those who can come up with a scenario that could not possibly be put into effect because of its stupidity, have yet to meet Linden Lab. The creation of Viewer 2.x is testament to this fact.

There's a big gap, though, between "something could possibly happen" to "it's going to happen" or even "there is any indication it's likely to happen," is there not?

Oh yes, there are big gaps there. We can be assured though that as long as LL keeps pushing Viewer 2.x, SL will keep declining in use. Ever since Viewer 2.x was introduced, the decline in concurrency started a downward trend. You can see this by LL's own published stats. Why oh why LL doesn't try to hide those stats too is beyond my comprehension.

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leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:


leliel Mirihi wrote:


Yoki Enoch wrote:

Do what? Cripple SL? LL will do this because that is its destiny. It  had a good shot at it 3 years ago and almost succeeded. This time it has a much better chance..

You're intentionally dodging the question and invoking the will of the gods, aren't you? What makes you so certain that LL will one day prevent TPVs from logging in?

For those who can come up with a scenario that could not possibly be put into effect because of its stupidity, have yet to meet Linden Lab. The creation of Viewer 2.x is testament to this fact.

Obvious troll is obvious. Wasting my time with bs. Go crawl back under your bridge.

We can pick this conversation up this time next year. As LL keeps pushing Viewer 2.x, we may have these boards all to ourselves, so it won't be difficult finding oneanother.

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