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6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

This post is directed to both you and @Arielle Popstar because she's frequently been involved in this particular topic.

I admire most the conservative Blacks who believe in individual responsibility and do not want Blacks to feel they are victims or be treated as such, and yet realize there still are some disadvantages in society which make it more difficult for some Blacks to succeed. They can both fight to strengthen the individual Black person along with fighting for society to change prejudiced attitudes toward that Black individual, and believe in removing barriers to success in the community as well as barriers to success within any individual.

 

Self actualization is what I saw in each of the Black Americans that were anti BLM, in that they realized that BLM as well as many liberals are promoting an unhealthy dependency on the state and its leaders. They reject the idea that Blacks as a whole are subject to the systemic racism constantly being waved in their faces as they understand that believing so makes them a victim and inferior in an underhanded way. They collectively seem to reject that they need the coddling and condescending overtures put out by certain parties looking for their vote through white savior policies.

Rather than it distancing them from the Black community, they become a much greater part of it, their lives setting an example for those who start to question the white lies fed to them since they were toddlers. They are the a-wokened ones, having not just recognized that there is discrimination but worked through it so it no longer affects their individual destinies, regardless of whether white people wake up and smell the coffee.

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This graphic, which I saw over the road at VVO, distinguishes between the political and the non-political quite well, I think  

Why it can feel hard to talk about racial inequality, and why you should do it anyway.... So, anyway, as i mentioned in a couple of other threads, the company I work for gave us a paid day off in

Racism is defined as: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. You can't change the definition to

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I'm tapping out.  I'm done trying to express my thoughts and opinions only to be shouted down and told I'm "torturing" everyone because I don't agree with the incredibly vocal few.

So I shall leave you (the collective "you" who know who they are) to your virtuous circle jerk of self righteousness, "wokeness" and virtual signalling, and just remind you that having a differing opinion does NOT make one a fascist and does NOT make one wrong.

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57 minutes ago, Jordan Whitt said:

having a differing opinion does NOT make one a fascist and does NOT make one wrong.

Some people here are simply repeating what they see in the news. I learned long ago to take what the press says with a big dollop of salt. 

'The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.' ~ Confucius

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/30/florida-racial-profiling-luis-santos/

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‘You’re not going anywhere’: Florida man charged after detaining Black teen biking to basketball practice

The sky was still dark on June 9 when a man slowed his car next to a Black teenage boy, wearing khakis and a T-shirt, who was biking to an early-morning basketball practice in Seffner, Fla.

Luis Orlando Santos Santiago, 54, stopped the boy and began interrogating him about where he lived, demanding the child tell him his home address. Then, the man declared: “You’re not going anywhere. You’re being detained."

The man phoned 911 and told a dispatcher he was an “off-duty officer” and had detained the boy after catching him stealing on video. He claimed he had seen the boy breaking into cars. Then, he alleged the boy had stolen the bike he was riding, and refused to let the teenager leave.

None of the allegations were true, police said. The boy had not committed any crimes. The man wasn’t an officer, and he had no videos to back up his allegations. In fact, the Hillsborough State Attorney’s Office said there hadn’t been a single crime reported this year in the Lakeshore Ranch neighborhood, which describes itself as a “charming and quiet community” of 264 single-family homes with access to a lakefront, a boardwalk and several local parks.

Video of the confrontation and audio from the 911 call were released by the state attorney and reported by WFLA.

After investigating the incident, deputies returned to arrest Santos on Saturday. The state attorney charged him with false imprisonment for illegally detaining the teenager.

The episode echoed many frightening, and sometimes violent, confrontations between Black children and adults who view them as suspicious or dangerous.

The scene in Seffner mirrored many of the circumstances that led to the fatal 2012 shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, also a Black teenager in Florida, who was shot and killed after George Zimmerman called 911 to report him as suspicious and then followed and confronted Martin. In February, 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery was shot and killed in Georgia by a White father and son who believed he looked like a suspect from recent break-ins and stopped him while the young Black man was jogging in his own neighborhood.

Black teenagers have also been stopped by people for walking through gated communities where they live, spat on for participating in Black Lives Matter protests, and smacked in the face with a bike lock for playing loud music.

 

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17 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Self actualization is what I saw in each of the Black Americans that were anti BLM, in that they realized that BLM as well as many liberals are promoting an unhealthy dependency on the state and its leaders. They reject the idea that Blacks as a whole are subject to the systemic racism constantly being waved in their faces as they understand that believing so makes them a victim and inferior in an underhanded way. They collectively seem to reject that they need the coddling and condescending overtures put out by certain parties looking for their vote through white savior policies.

Rather than it distancing them from the Black community, they become a much greater part of it, their lives setting an example for those who start to question the white lies fed to them since they were toddlers. They are the a-wokened ones, having not just recognized that there is discrimination but worked through it so it no longer affects their individual destinies, regardless of whether white people wake up and smell the coffee.

Isn't it possible to focus on the strength and self-actualization of the individual AND any barriers in society which might impede their self-determination at the same time? Does the solution have to be polarized with black & white thinking so that the solution is only one way or the other without any middle compromise? As I said before, these two dynamics need to be in balance.

The dynamics I've described for a healthy society are fundamental principles of humans as they exist today -- there's the individual AND there's the forces which surround the individual. Conservatism tends to focus more on individual factors while liberalism tends to focus more on the forces which surround that individual (the community). We need to consider both forces when seeking solutions.
What you have cited (apparently statements by certain conservative Blacks mixed with your interpretation of  polarized politics) is extremely politicized and unbalanced --  focusing on the individual and denying the impact society has on that individual. This is polarized politics, and the film you cited on another thread was created to get people to vote Republican.

We have to dive underneath the politics of the day to evaluate problems and find solutions. The political parties just want our votes, and they will pander to whatever brings them those votes. Democrats before the Civil Rights were against Blacks, now they say they're for Blacks. Republicans in earlier years considered Black issues to a greater degree, but developed the Southern Strategy so as to win White votes in the South via supporting White racism.

Let's say my child was a Black teenager and we lived in one of the poorer neighborhoods. I could emphasize the individual solution of taking responsibility for one's life and not blaming others when one doesn't succeed, and I could make him clean up his room and not cuss like a banshee. But I could AT THE SAME TIME focus on community solutions -- I could petition the school board to make sure the impoverished neighborhood we live in has the items needed to teach well, and I could voice my concerns in public venues if I saw Black kids targeted unfairly and advocate for police training, and I could push for more police accountability so that they don't use excessive force when apprehending possible criminals.

Bringing these horrific police abuses to light and pushing for changes does not mean we consider Blacks as victims, denying any personal responsibility Blacks need to manifest!?!  Only somebody who thinks in black & white terms pushes it all the way to one side and perceives the issue in this polarized manner. 

Can we do what I suggested -- take one Black person at a time (like the Shelby Steele Black conservative you posted some months ago) -- and evaluate which statements they make tend to be more conservative or liberal?  Because although I agree some of the dynamics you cited can be true in certain situations and for certain individuals, overall it seems like a conspiracy theory to me, making statements that are much too broad and sometimes strange (for example, white lies being fed to them, white savior policies, unhealthy dependency on the state, being the true a-wokened ones).

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14 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

Looks like my fears that the lulz would disappear when Miss slavers and Nazis weren't villains bailed were unfounded.

They'll be back...

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42 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

Looks like my fears that the lulz would disappear when Miss slavers and Nazis weren't villains bailed were unfounded.

Shame on you for not taking the White perspective -- these slavers and Nazis were just "men of their time".  Besides, Whites helped on the underground railroad too so it's all good   🥵

Yes...I'll say it again...hearing such stupidity again and again is torture.

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1 hour ago, Janet Voxel said:

 

Didn't know about this person.  Here's her website:

Envisioning an economy where people of color belong.

https://www.liberationinageneration.org/

"Building and using political, economic, and cultural power of people of color is our approach to interrupting the cycle of economic oppression. Liberation in a Generation supports national and community organizing groups, activists, and advocates who work tirelessly on building this power and who want to change the rules of our economy."

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4 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Even Black conservatives don't like her...you need to dig a little deeper for your amazing contributions to the thread:

https://newsone.com/3940911/black-conservatives-denounce-candace-owens-ahmaud-arbery-comments/

I don't care who doesn't like her, you can only counter with something like that, instead of actually addressing the knowledge she dropping in the video. Not surprised.

Also her comments on Arbery weren't wrong. He was killed trying to take someone's gun away from them, which was a stupid move on his part and it got him killed.

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ETA: looks like YouTube took care of that. It was a video by the idiots who made the “Black Lives Matter Is A Leftist Lie” video whining about YouTube deleting Dr. Incubus’s Coronavirus insanity, and all kinda of other gibberish to appeal to the kind of idiots they obviously think their audience is full of.

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1 minute ago, Gage Wirefly said:
6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Even Black conservatives don't like her...you need to dig a little deeper for your amazing contributions to the thread:

https://newsone.com/3940911/black-conservatives-denounce-candace-owens-ahmaud-arbery-comments/

I don't care who doesn't like her, you can only counter with something like that, instead of actually addressing the knowledge she dropping in the video. Not surprised.

Also her comments on Arbery weren't wrong. He was killed trying to take someone's gun away from them, which was a stupid move on his part and it got him killed.

You take some idiot Youtuber as your source?  Not surprised.

Regarding your Arbery comment, I would tell you what I think about this but don't want a forum slap or ban.

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Imagine if EVERY LAST TIME somebody talked about the Holocaust some German fool had to jump in with a post about Jewish people that helped push other Jews into gas chambers, and some other German person had to start talking about Palestinians. And yet another German fool posted some video from ISIS or Iran claiming the Holocaust never happened...

Wait... Germans don't do that crap - they don't deny their history, they learned from it...

Imagine if EVERY LAST TIME somebody talked about The Indian Wars, some fool had to jump in and post a picture of a murdered Native American killed by one of their own people (oh wait, that's EXACTLY what happened to me on a third party forum), or well... had to post about how Native people had wars too.

- Topics that can be discussed. But have their freaking time and place.

Those fools, would be rightly called out for their conduct and attempts at race-bating hater mongering...

Ya'll are being kinda obvious with it... and folks are done with that.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

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Another great Youtube source...  /sarcasm

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5 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Imagine if EVERY LAST TIME somebody talked about the Holocaust some German fool had to jump in with a post about Jewish people that helped push other Jews into gas chambers, and some other person had to start talking about Palestinians.

Imagine if EVERY LAST TIME somebody talked about The Indian Wars, some fool had to jump in and post a picture of a murdered Native American killed by one of their own people (oh wait, that's EXACTLY what happened to me on a third party forum), or well... had to post about how Native people had wars too.

- Topics that can be discussed. But have their freaking time and place.

Those fools, would be rightly called out for their conduct and attempts at race-bating hater mongering...

Ya'll are being kinda obvious with it... and folks are done with that.

 

 

You don't have to read what upsets you. That's the beauty of it all.

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