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19 hours ago, Janet Voxel said:

Watermelon Man is a movie from the late 60's or early 70's, its in the vein of Black Like me, but its a comedy. It's probably on Youtube.

https://youtu.be/5lkW0mTByNo

Sorry to Bother You is another movie, it touches on Race and seems like a comedy, but then it goes into a pretty serious social commentary that seriously slaps you in the face. That's maybe a couple years old, I saw it on Hulu.

1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

Doncha know, certain people feel they popped out of their mother's womb knowing everything. To suggest they develop awareness is insulting...

It's not that we choose to not be exposed to all of these things, it's that the opportunity is not there.

This material was not exposed to me at all growing up. What I know comes from hard times on the streets, and then my own education after high school and in college and beyond. But the core of my 'woke'-ness isn't from intellectuals and writers... it's from growing up always carrying a knife on me and having a half dozen arrests before I was an adult. For the first few years of my life it was just something formed from frustration that lacked context.

'Classics of Literature' is not a thing in an education system that isn't designed to educate you... so I didn't get much of that until I was older and either on my own or in college.

For most people, the context never arrives.

White people can go their whole lives with no exposure to any of this. Their starting to lose those teflon sunglasses, and that's why you're seeing all this public conflict. Way too many folks want to put their blinders back on. But some want to do something about what they see - some want to make it better, some want to make it worse...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

Doncha know, certain people feel they popped out of their mother's womb knowing everything. To suggest they develop awareness is insulting...

It's not that we choose to not be exposed to all of these things, it's that the opportunity is not there.

This material was not exposed to me at all growing up.

Totally agree...our education is so deficient in these matters for most people. Personally I was lucky to be in a Women's Studies program that provided education on the oppressive nature of all stereotypes, and in my Social work classes we studied problems specific to all disadvantaged groups.

However, I was referring specifically to the ample supply of exposure across three threads here on the forum, which should have been enough for those participating in these threads to understand some of the issues. From the getgo of this particular thread though, with the title of becoming 'woke' and the mentioning of a book many are using to educate White society, the book was laughed at by an ongoing participant of these threads, and the author accused of not doing any good whatsoever, and of only trying to make a buck. It is these people, who refuse to acknowledge any white privilege they or other people may harbor after seeing extensive proof that we all harbor bias, that I addressed that comment to.

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37 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Totally agree...our education is so deficient in these matters for most people. Personally I was lucky to be in a Women's Studies program that provided education on the oppressive nature of all stereotypes, and in my Social work classes we studied problems specific to all disadvantaged groups.

However, I was referring specifically to the ample supply of exposure across three threads here on the forum, which should have been enough for those participating in these threads to understand some of the issues. From the getgo of this particular thread though, with the title of becoming 'woke' and the mentioning of a book many are using to educate White society, the book was laughed at by an ongoing participant of these threads, and the author accused of not doing any good whatsoever, and of only trying to make a buck. It is these people, who refuse to acknowledge any white privilege they or other people may harbor after seeing extensive proof that we all harbor bias, that I addressed that comment to.

I moved a LOT when I grew up, so I was exposed to a variety of education models.

At one point I had the same math textbook for 3 years - through a school for white, a catholic school, and then one for non-whites...

(In minority communities if you have any connections you put your kids in Catholic schools to avoid the public schools - even if you're not Catholic, but this is still an option very few are able to access. My mother got me into one for 3rd grade, then we moved).

My high school in a 'very liberal city' basically set up 2 schools on one campus. All the black kids had one set of teachers, all the white kids had another set of teachers. Hispanics and Asians got tossed around randomly in whatever lower track class they could put them in unless their parents had clout (when Asian parents finally started pushing back, in the 90s, Americans created the 'Tiger Mom' stereotype which at its heart is just a mother that is tired of seeing her 5th generation American child tossed into 'remedial english' again). By this point an attempt by a white teacher to have me tossed out had caused a test to find my genius IQ, and that put me as one of the few non-white kids let into the white track (AP / Gifted / Advanced). They still managed to give me a difference school Councillor so I was never even asked about applying to colleges, nor told of scholarships or anything. I know some black kids DID get that advice if they had a black Councillor, but mine just viewed me as an 'ethnic problem on her calendar' - I think I met her twice in 4 years. I learned later that other students met them regularly...
 

I faced off against repeated attempts to put me back in my place... and the education I got was very sub-standard. My real education happened in college which I did in my 30s with the GI Bill.

 

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12 hours ago, Janet Voxel said:

Welcome back!

Thank you, but I'm not actually back. I just look in every once in a while to see if anything has gotten better. The proliferation of racists popping up here, and in other threads, was enough to take away any enjoyment I got from participating in these forums. Too many people that I had previously respected, if not necessarily liked, showing themselves to be beyond redemption, and the constant head-splitting attempts to help them see that their extraordinarily white European perspectives aren't the actual reality for the majority of people on the planet was making 2020 uglier than and more difficult than it already was for me.

I'm giving my energy to things in the real world when it comes to tackling racism, and returned to blogging to say the things I feel like I need to say in a platform where I don't have to hold back. 

On the positive side, Taylor Swift surprise-dropped her best album to date last night so I've got that going on.

Keep fighting the good fight - I'll be battling on another front. ✊🏽

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10 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

Thank you, but I'm not actually back. I just look in every once in a while to see if anything has gotten better. The proliferation of racists popping up here, and in other threads, was enough to take away any enjoyment I got from participating in these forums. Too many people that I had previously respected, if not necessarily liked, showing themselves to be beyond redemption, and the constant head-splitting attempts to help them see that their extraordinarily white European perspectives aren't the actual reality for the majority of people on the planet was making 2020 uglier than and more difficult than it already was for me.

I'm giving my energy to things in the real world when it comes to tackling racism, and returned to blogging to say the things I feel like I need to say in a platform where I don't have to hold back. 

On the positive side, Taylor Swift surprise-dropped her best album to date last night so I've got that going on.

Keep fighting the good fight - I'd be battling on another front. ✊🏽

I felt that way too for a minute, but I realized we're living a really angry, ugly moment in history and if we don't say anything...who will?

Plus haters gon' hate....

But Taylor Swift Was Just Like, "Haters Gonna Hate" | The 25 ...

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13 minutes ago, Janet Voxel said:

I felt that way too for a minute, but I realized we're living a really angry, ugly moment in history and if we don't say anything...who will?

The racists not only know they're racists, but are proud of it as well. Look at that other thread that's currently sitting at the top full of white Europeans who have somehow come to the asinine conclusion that they have any business telling another person who they can, or more accurately, cannot be. 328.2 million other persons, really. 

My attention needs to be on my city now anyway. Black militants and white nationalists have chosen Louisville as their armed battleground tomorrow. Either they are all going to show up and it's going to be a bloodbath, or none of them will actually show up, and nothing will happen - I don't hold out any hope for a peaceful protest if both parties show up separated only by a single street and an inept police department, and I live and work far too close to that assigned battleground for comfort. 😔

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2 hours ago, Beth Macbain said:

The racists not only know they're racists, but are proud of it as well. Look at that other thread that's currently sitting at the top full of white Europeans who have somehow come to the asinine conclusion that they have any business telling another person who they can, or more accurately, cannot be. 328.2 million other persons, really. 

My attention needs to be on my city now anyway. Black militants and white nationalists have chosen Louisville as their armed battleground tomorrow. Either they are all going to show up and it's going to be a bloodbath, or none of them will actually show up, and nothing will happen - I don't hold out any hope for a peaceful protest if both parties show up separated only by a single street and an inept police department, and I live and work far too close to that assigned battleground for comfort. 😔

Omg even the Beth agrees that the other thread is full or oddballs..

The world is truly ending!!

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1 minute ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Her statement was in reference to people like you.. lol..

No I think Beth knows you well petal, enjoy being the forum joke we all enjoy you being it 

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2 hours ago, KanryDrago said:

No I think Beth knows you well petal, enjoy being the forum joke we all enjoy you being it 

Sorry, dude... Drakon was correct. I was referring to people like you. She and I have butted heads but I respect her and her intelligence, and 98% of her beliefs align with mine.

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1 hour ago, Beth Macbain said:

Sorry, dude... Drakon was correct. I was referring to people like you. She and I have butted heads but I respect her and her intelligence, and 98% of her beliefs align with mine.

OmG Beth agreed with me??!! the world must be ending! j/k Beth. Thanks, that honestly shocked me a little bit. Ok.. more than a little bit..

Yes we butt heads but its because we can be equally passionate about things at times.

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4 hours ago, KanryDrago said:

shrugs only stating the truth sorry if it hurt

Kanry...what's up with you?

I remembered when you shared with the forum you had coronavirus and I was glad to see you back.  

But, what's up with you?   I feel like you are starting stuff over nothing.  We have enough real things to deal with in today's world and not just coronavirus; it's a lot of things, some talked about in this thread and some not talked about yet and it's very stressful times.   There is real anger that is justified from POC.  I am angry too.  I am very angry at my country for some of these issues and things they have done.  

EDIT:  And, p.s. we'd like to keep this thread if possible because there are things some of us may not know yet and are learning about.  I feel like my government lied to me and it's not right, so I'm angry and I'm angry at their lies and how they treated POC.  It's atrocious.  

 

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For some things nothing changes;

https://youtu.be/REHiLryR1oE

(Youtube won't embed this one, it is about the police arming strike busters to shoot at Chicano strikers.)

 

If you want to know how and why Boycott's gained their power in the USA - the tool used so often in social media today, and even putting pressure on Facebook as I type this; thank my Chicano y Chicana brothers and sisters:

In this speach, he's organizing people to vote against Prop 22. Prop 22 was defeated - it was a plan to make striking illegal in California during harvest time.

But note how he speaks about so-called "right to work" laws that were began for the purpose of breaking the hispanic population, and just as so often... "first they came for these people, then those, and now you"... those laws eventually broke the unions that were the only thing keeping the White Middle Class in existence...

Even if you're only selfish; join with people fighting for their rights, for the rights they are losing, will soon also be taken from you...

Side Note: about 10-minutes in, he talks about Arizona in modern times rounding up Navajo to use as slave labor.

 

 

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San Jose police officer on leave after video shows him kicking, dragging woman

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/San-Jose-police-officer-on-leave-video-of-15433453.php

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In the video, an officer kicks Marin in the abdomen while she kneels on the ground outside the car. He appears to punch her, shove her to the ground in a face-down position and handcuff her. The officer then drags her face-down across the pavement by the arms.

A second officer talks to someone inside the car, telling them to “Shut up,” “Stop talking” and “Get out of the car.” It’s unclear who was inside the vehicle.

“You hit her for nothing,” one witness says.

 

Vallejo police release gruesome police video showing Sean Monterrosa in final moments

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Vallejo-police-release-gruesome-police-video-15433477.php

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The first of three videos shows closeups of Monterrosa shortly after he was fatally shot on June 2. Monterrosa, 22, was shot as police pulled into the Walgreens parking ...

The face of the officer who fired five rounds from a high-powered rifle at Monterrosa through the windshield of an unmarked police pickup was the only element in the videos that was blurred, ...

The videos released Friday show disturbing, unedited images of Monterrosa’s head wound and his face in his last moments of life. Melissa Nold, one of the attorneys representing Monterrosa’s family along with John Burris, examined his body and previously told The Chronicle that, “He had an entry wound in his throat — and a bullet fragment exit the back of his head.” Nold used to be a deputy sheriff’s coroner.

Nold told The Chronicle Friday that Vallejo police released the new footage without first contacting family attorneys “to offer the family to see it ahead of time.” Nold said Monterrosa’s family does not plan to watch the footage “at this point.”

Burris told The Chronicle that he had not seen the footage yet, but when learning of the videos’ gruesome nature, he said there was no evidentiary value in releasing video of Monterrosa’s last moments — only “salacious value.”

“It doesn’t go to the essence of what happened to him, it shows a man suffering and ultimately dying,” Burris said. “It doesn’t have real relevance to the overall circumstances evaluating what happened to him. I’m interested in what position was the kid in at the time that he was shot? What was he doing at the time he was shot? What kind of danger did he present to justify being shot at five times by an officer in the back of a car?”

 

SF Muni driver beaten with bat after telling passengers to wear masks

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/SF-Muni-driver-beaten-with-bat-after-telling-15432830.php

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A San Francisco Muni bus driver was beaten with a bat Wednesday by passengers who refused to wear face masks at the driver’s instruction, officials said.

Three men with no face coverings boarded the bus around 3:30 p.m. at 11th and Division Streets in the SoMa district, according to San Francisco police.

The bus driver, who was not identified, asked the passengers multiple times to don face coverings, but they refused, police said.

San Francisco’s health order requires anyone riding on public transportation to wear a face covering to reduce the risk of coronavirus transmission.

The driver pulled the bus over to escort the passengers off, when one of the men struck the driver several times with a wooden bat, causing injury, police said.

 

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For a flip story...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/An-unusual-scene-played-out-in-SF-after-police-15433456.php

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Protesters marching for Black Lives Matter and police accountability on Friday evening turned a corner in the Mission District and came across an unexpected scene: yellow tape, squad cars and uniformed officers.

At 18th and San Carlos streets, police were in a standoff situation with a man holding a metal bar, who, police said, refused to drop it and had made threatening statements. The standoff had been going on for hours when the Black Lives Matter marchers arrived.

Their march was supposed to conclude with speeches at Mission High School, but instead, they stopped in their tracks.

They pulled out cell phones to record. They jeered at the line of stoic officers in riot gear. And they waited to see what would happen.

“You can’t really march for something and then ignore it when you see it happen,” said Sam Miller, a 30-year-old San Francisco resident.
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The afternoon passed with no progress, and slowly the neighbors, passersby and protesters congregated. They watched and they waited.

The man in distress and police officers dealing with him were not visible from behind the police perimeter, but the crowd could hear blaring siren noises and a law enforcement official speaking through a megaphone.

“Please drop the bar,” the officer said. “We’re all are here to help you. All you have to do is drop the bar. Please drop the bar. Please drop the bar. You can do it, I know you can.”

Someone in the crowd yelled, “Don’t kill him,” “Let him go,” and “We’re all watching.” Neighbors poked their heads out from second- and third-floor windows. “Please keep our neighbor James safe,” a sign in one window read.
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Eight hours after law enforcement first arrived, the encounter came to an end with no incident or injury.

Dr. Courtney Thomas, a Department of Public Health clinical psychologist and crisis intervention specialist, approached those gathered around 7:25 p.m. with news: He was going to accompany the man to the hospital for a mental health evaluation.

His DPH partner, he said, had been there for four hours, and he had just arrived. It’s unclear what they did to diffuse the situation, but it had a welcome effect on the crowd.

“We need more of you,” someone said. “Thank you, doctor,” another said. “It’s crazy that he solved this s— without a gun,” one man yelled.

Because when you have a psych issue... you need doctors on hand, not guns. That said, you can see that the cops here actually did things right - they just waited out a contained situation until the trained folks could handle it.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

I moved a LOT when I grew up, so I was exposed to a variety of education models.

At one point I had the same math textbook for 3 years - through a school for white, a catholic school, and then one for non-whites...

(In minority communities if you have any connections you put your kids in Catholic schools to avoid the public schools - even if you're not Catholic, but this is still an option very few are able to access. My mother got me into one for 3rd grade, then we moved).

My high school in a 'very liberal city' basically set up 2 schools on one campus. All the black kids had one set of teachers, all the white kids had another set of teachers. Hispanics and Asians got tossed around randomly in whatever lower track class they could put them in unless their parents had clout (when Asian parents finally started pushing back, in the 90s, Americans created the 'Tiger Mom' stereotype which at its heart is just a mother that is tired of seeing her 5th generation American child tossed into 'remedial english' again). By this point an attempt by a white teacher to have me tossed out had caused a test to find my genius IQ, and that put me as one of the few non-white kids let into the white track (AP / Gifted / Advanced). They still managed to give me a difference school Councillor so I was never even asked about applying to colleges, nor told of scholarships or anything. I know some black kids DID get that advice if they had a black Councillor, but mine just viewed me as an 'ethnic problem on her calendar' - I think I met her twice in 4 years. I learned later that other students met them regularly...
 

I faced off against repeated attempts to put me back in my place... and the education I got was very sub-standard. My real education happened in college which I did in my 30s with the GI Bill.

I'm glad you made it through all that and were able to succeed in life. I hate to think of all the Black kids who don't and end up living life far below their potential, or go on to have wrecked, wasted lives.

It's so important for Black kids to have a teacher who is also Black, and it seems like such an easy fix to improve outcomes for Black kids -- more Black teachers and/or make sure Black kids always have a Black school counselor who more likely believes in their potential. It's suspicious as to why they don't implement this with so much evidence of its benefits.

"According to the results, black students who have just one black teacher in elementary school are 13 percent more likely to enroll in college than their peers who didn't have any black teachers. Students who have two black teachers are 32 percent more likely to go to college." 
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/682194015/-black-teachers-helps-black-students-get-to-college

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Now that Portland has turned into Performance Art for Crazy Naked White Women:

https://thegrio.com/2020/07/25/naacp-portland-president-speaks-out-on-protests/

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A topless protester holds a flower in the air in front of the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse on July 23, 2020 in Portland, Oregon. (Photo by Nathan Howard/Getty Images)

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demonstrations in the West Coast city did not gain national attention until recently with the sight of a nude White protester and news of federal agents in unmarked vehicles detaining people.

Some local Black community leaders feel that the demonstrations, which originated as rallies against racism and police brutality, have now lost their focus.

One of those leaders, Portland NAACP President E.D. Mondainé, called it a “white spectacle” in a Washington Post op-ed published Thursday.

“We cannot settle for spectacles that endanger us all. This is a moment for serious action — to once again take up the mantle of the civil rights era by summoning the same conviction and determination our forebears did,” Mondainé wrote.

mainstream media is finally calling it Facism:

 

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1 hour ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Now that Portland has turned into Performance Art for Crazy Naked White Women:

If that's what you want to focus on, fine.  I looked at two local news outlets, neither mentioned the pic you point to.

Go ahead and ignore the fact that the entire night was given to refocusing on BLM.  Ignore the thousands chanting "Black Lives Matter" and "Feds go Home" into the early morning (more than one reporter stated these were the largest crowds since the first days of BLM protests).  Ignore the huge photo of George Floyd projected above the doors of the Justice Center.  Ignore the repeated "Say their names" litanies.  Ignore the Wall of Vets.

Chants as 11:30 approached, which is the witching hour when feds pour out of their Fortress "Justice" Center to try to drive away the protesters: "Are you afraid, Portland"?  "HELL NO"

You've got just about the whitest city in the States trying their damnedest to be allys.  I think the TRYING is something very good, particularly as it's also happening in other heavily white communities nationwide.  Not everyone is gonna get it right, but from the suburban reading groups plowing through White Fragility to high school kids raising money for the Black Resilience Fund, they are trying. 

They are doing this because they think it's right, not so blacks will pat them on the head.  So hey, have fun belittling it.

 

 

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