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21 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

it was coming to San Francisco that became my Mecca to make me see that the races actually could get along

 

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1 hour ago, Janet Voxel said:

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I remember you expressed some dismay over so many in this thread who don't seem to get it.  I've wondered if in the process of moving LL to the cloud they tilted SL and all the conservatives rolled onto this forum.... :)

But you know...on the street it's very different...even in my red state on the plains....people are coming around and realizing we need to treat POC differently in the US.  There is a LOT of support. Not sure why, honestly, I continue to post in this thread. It seems to be a dumping ground for disgruntled conservatives for the most part.

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16 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

 

That was literally my favorite song when I was 16-17...

Sadly the entire city got replaced by a dot-com and a pack of millenials who's idea of culture is wrapped in brackets and uses JSDoc notation wrapped conditional statements... 😛

For them diversity means letting some of those wierd .NET engineers get all up in the place... 'cause round these here parts we do .js like decent folk...

#wheredidmycitygo

 

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Just now, Pussycat Catnap said:

That was literally my favorite song when I was 16-17...

Sadly the entire city got replaced by a dot-com and a pack of millenials who's idea of culture is wrapped in brackets and uses JSDoc notation wrapped conditional statements... 😛

That's so sad...yeah the city has changed. My daughter lives there and I visit from time to time. Still, in my mind, I hear that song and it causes me to feel hope :)

I was out walking with my daughter and we walked by a house where some hippies were congregated.  I wanted to walk up and, I don't know, touch their hair and tie-die shirts, bow or something...lol....walk up and say "are you REAL HIPPIES!?"  But my daughter had this look on her face like "mommmmm....noooooo!",  so I just smiled at the hippies and they smiled back with a kind yet slightly amused expression, as if they knew I was especially fascinated by them.

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20 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

 

Its pretty common among my Rasta brethren, and indeed myself, to find people who began life on the bad side of things and found redemption through spiritual awakening. Malcolm X resonates very well in that community because his journey and being twice redeemed resonates.

 

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55 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Its pretty common among my Rasta brethren, and indeed myself, to find people who began life on the bad side of things and found redemption through spiritual awakening. Malcolm X resonates very well in that community because his journey and being twice redeemed resonates.

I'm glad you did. It could not have been easy coming from the hood.

The closest I've been to such an environment is when I accidentally drove my sleeping Yoga group into the middle of Detroit on a trip east. They didn't let me drive at night anymore unless someone else was awake in the car...lol (not a big city girl here).

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What about Susan Rice?  She strikes me as a bit conservative but I haven't investigated her much:

 

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Rice could be a good choice too.

I don't have a favorite myself. I just have one that I am opposed to...

The most important quality in my mind would be 'bridge builder' because after the current president the USA is going to be so extremely divided, and we have lost the faith of the entire international community... so we need someone that can get people to sit down and talk to each other again...

I don't expect us to EVER hold a position of authority on the world stage ever again though... our political system has been proven now to be too open to being taken over by crazy... we're not stable enough to be a world leader...

 

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My biggest fear is that whoever this Black woman is, there will be a big chance she'll be president, as Biden could very well be on his last leg. As such, she would bear the brunt, take much of the blame, for the unfolding collapse of the US.

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4 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Evolving story so details will come with time, but she was giving a speech to the crowds to talk about their concerns and it looks like the feds moved in on her...

He (Mayor Ted Wheeler) was at the Justice Center (the focus of the protests).  There was a noisy crowd of thousands there late into the night.  There were large crowds protesting in places near, but not at, the Justice Center as well last night (like the waterfront downtown) - my Mom's caregiver drove past them. He gave a small speech out in the crowd, thanked them for protesting and stated that if Portland did not continue to resist, Trump would send troops to many cities across the country, then handed the mike to a protester and began to do Q&A with the crowd.  Crowd then requested that he move to the front steps of the Center, which he did, and continued the Q&A.  Note that he is not at all popular with the protesters - at the time he did this, this was projected very large on the wall above his head. 

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Someone threw something at him while he spoke.   He had moved away from the steps but was still near them, speaking one-on-one to people in the crowd I think, when the feds poured out of the building (about 11:30PM) and violently lashed out at anyone standing near the building.  He was one of the many people tear gassed when they did this - they did not single him out.   I'm not going to express an opinion as to his effectiveness, but he is certainly a brave person.

Afterwards he spoke to a reporter.

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I'm not gonna lie, it stings, it's hard to breathe, and I can tell you with 100% honesty I saw nothing that provoked this response. It's nasty stuff, I'm not afraid but I am pissed off," Wheeler told Baker. "This is an egregious overreaction on the part of the federal officers. There was nothing that I saw anybody do that warranted this reaction. As you can see, all it's done is piss everybody off. It's made everybody angry. They've come in and they kicked the hornet's nest. This is not a de-escalation strategy. This is flat out urban warfare and it's being brought on the people of this country by the president of the United States and it's got to stop now. This is a threat to our democracy.

This was indeed what it looked like.  The video played fine for me, try clicking it.  No, this is not Ecuador, this is not Hong Kong IT IS PORTLAND, A GENTLE TOWN FILLED WITH FRICKIN' HIPPIES

Remember.  This is how it starts.

 

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4 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

I remember you expressed some dismay over so many in this thread who don't seem to get it.  I've wondered if in the process of moving LL to the cloud they tilted SL and all the conservatives rolled onto this forum.... :)

No, it's been like that for a while, it's just that very few people stand up to it here, so there's a weird comfort level with certain things being said. When I first started posting here, there was a right wing troll here posting regularly and a lot of regulars were agreeing with them. They got banned briefly and went over to another SL forum and promptly got rolled up like a carpet and sent packing. That should tell you something right there. A little jab here, a little poke there....its fiiiine, it was a little flip comment.  I used to think some people were just unaware of certain things and if you just took time to explain them, that would help. Then I started to realize most of the time, that's not what it is. Then I thought maybe its a generational thing, nah...that's not it either. There's just a certain level of comfort that exist because the rules are arbitrarily enforced and people are able to exploit them.

 

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16 minutes ago, Janet Voxel said:

No, it's been like that for a while, it's just that very few people stand up to it here, so there's a weird comfort level with certain things being said. When I first started posting here, there was a right wing troll here posting regularly and a lot of regulars were agreeing with them. They got banned briefly and went over to another SL forum and promptly got rolled up like a carpet and sent packing. That should tell you something right there. A little jab here, a little poke there....its fiiiine, it was a little flip comment.  I used to think some people were just unaware of certain things and if you just took time to explain them, that would help. Then I started to realize most of the time, that's not what it is. Then I thought maybe its a generational thing, nah...that's not it either. There's just a certain level of comfort that exist because the rules are arbitrarily enforced and people are able to exploit them.

Tech largely is full of a bunch of 'white bro culture types' who don't know or get it - but NOT for malicious reasons, but for lack of exposure. The thing about a lot of techies is they are also pretty idealistic and well meaning.

Which means that the right approach sometimes gets through.

I highly suspect this is the case with LL as well. The failure to deal with those bad apples quick enough here is less about agreeing with them and more about lack of understanding of the harm they were causing because race-baiting attacks are 'off the radar' for most white people. It doesn't happen to them often, so they don't know what they're seeing when they see it, and such attacks are often veiled as things like 'a reasonable counter point' or 'devil's advocate' or whatever...

I work in tech... I see this all... the... time... but because, up until this year; we were always in the same offices, I could get through in person where I could not on places like a forum. And I could also see that the majorities of the techies didn't mean harm, they were just clueless about a topic and getting 'rolled' by people much better trained than I at manipulation...

 

I started posting here largely because 'another SL forum' did NOT have my back when I came under extreme racist fire there by people so skilled in manipulation who thus managed to get everyone to see my outrage and outburst as a result of the attacks, rather than what caused me to 'lose it' originally... and the mods here didn't stand for a repeat performance of that...

 

Generally I think the SL mods get it right more often than wrong, in the end, but can be slow about it - which can be frustrating at the time but might be better in the long run.

This forum has had a few 'troll posters' that have lasted for years because they got very skilled in finding the line and standing right on it... and again much of that has to do with, I suspect, techies that don't tend to have a good socially diverse awareness.

I am hopeful that we're seeing a 'sea change' in tech as a result of current events and things like the Facebook boycott. It should be noted that working in tech in the past few years I have seen more and more of those 'white bros' themselves rise up and challenge their own organizations when those organizations are behaving badly...

"woke" is starting to arrive in tech.

It started with environment, militarization (like employees revolting when they find their app is being used for military drones), gender and LGBTQ issues, but it is now making it's way to race and elsewhere as well.

It's by no means a finished journey though...

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19 minutes ago, Janet Voxel said:

it's just that very few people stand up to it here, so there's a weird comfort level with certain things being said

I hope that's true, and I hope what Pussycat just said is right, because I was starting to feel inworld like I'd just prefer nobody open their mouths in case I'd find this whole place turned conservative   :(

In the old days of SL everybody was more progressive it seemed, but could be just who I was hanging around with then, and the world was much smaller.

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https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/This-Portland-journalist-has-been-gassed-and-15428276.php

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On Eddy Binford-Ross's second night reporting on the protests in Portland, Ore., federal officers let off enough tear gas to fill the street in front of the federal courthouse and an entire city park across the street. The smokelike plumes sent her scattering along with the protesters.

"I couldn't see because my eyes were burning," she told The Washington Post. "I couldn't breathe because my throat was burning. I almost threw up because I was coughing so hard."

Like many journalists covering the tense demonstrations, Eddy has faced serious threats: She has been tear-gassed every night, had three flash-bang explosives lobbed in her direction, been shoved against a wall by police, and had a federal officer repeatedly point a gun at her.

But Eddy may be the only front-line reporter regularly risking her safety to write for a high school newspaper.

 

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45 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

I highly suspect this is the case with LL as well. The failure to deal with those bad apples quick enough here is less about agreeing with them and more about lack of understanding of the harm they were causing because race-baiting attacks are 'off the radar' for most white people. It doesn't happen to them often, so they don't know what they're seeing when they see it, and such attacks are often veiled as things like 'a reasonable counter point' or 'devil's advocate' or whatever...

I initially wrote more, but I wasn't really talking about LL, they've created an anything goes kind of place and that's the appeal. That's great, but its a double edged sword, you can see that with the weird interracial thing that goes on inworld and people's rush to defend it, it's racist, but its a sexual fantasy, it's just a fantasy...so its ok. People are really big on freedoms, except when it comes to certain things.

The forum largely polices itself and its oddly silent on certain things and I really didn't want to dredge up old incidents. I think you hit the nail on the head here with the 'off the radar' thing, but sometimes I don't think its that simple. I'm talking about how the forum polices itself. Take this thread for example: I took its intent as "I read this book and I learned something...what did you read? Share." It immediately turned into "NO!" and when that didn't work, it turned into "Should this even be here?" then it turned into, "I'll derail it so it won't be here." Same thing with the BLM thread, the intentions were good.....but I had a feeling that it would turn out the way it did. Why did I even have that feeling? It's because I've seen past behaviours that indicated it would turn out that way and it did.

I mean, rationally, I thought (and maybe its the Canadian in me talking) it'd be fine to talk about books or films that would make you more aware. I thought books like Native Son and To Kill a Mockingbird were required reading at least in the US and that maybe it would even branch out into other lesser known films and books like The Watermelon Man or even things that touch on both race and class like Sorry to Bother You. 

Was I expecting too much?

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1 hour ago, Janet Voxel said:

I initially wrote more, but I wasn't really talking about LL, they've created an anything goes kind of place and that's the appeal. That's great, but its a double edged sword, you can see that with the weird interracial thing that goes on inworld and people's rush to defend it, it's racist, but its a sexual fantasy, it's just a fantasy...so its ok. People are really big on freedoms, except when it comes to certain things.

The forum largely polices itself and its oddly silent on certain things and I really didn't want to dredge up old incidents. I think you hit the nail on the head here with the 'off the radar' thing, but sometimes I don't think its that simple. I'm talking about how the forum polices itself. Take this thread for example: I took its intent as "I read this book and I learned something...what did you read? Share." It immediately turned into "NO!" and when that didn't work, it turned into "Should this even be here?" then it turned into, "I'll derail it so it won't be here." Same thing with the BLM thread, the intentions were good.....but I had a feeling that it would turn out the way it did. Why did I even have that feeling? It's because I've seen past behaviours that indicated it would turn out that way and it did.

Was I expecting too much?

Oh yeah...

As a mixed raced person... 'interracial' was the first thing I searched for when I joined SL. I was hoping to find communities of people to talk with.

That was a SHOCK... and yes it's extremely racist...

And at this point in time a lot of what I do in SL is 'adult content'... so my outrage over those venues is not the adult nature, but the racist nature...

On this thread... I will admit that I jumped in after the derail. I've completely forgotten the OP. I need to go back and see what the book was...

Oh and... books being required in the US... nope. Not just that we have a fractured education system where requirements can shift by locality in the extreme... but anything that challenges the 'majoritarian narrative' is almost always NOT read... Even if academics consider it a classic, you can be sure that most people, even those who reference it, haven't actually read it... Until about a year ago I always thought 'To Kill a Mockingbird' was some kind of thriller novel like an Alfred Hitchcock movie... as in, yeah; I've never read it and barely have any idea of it's contents... I hvaven't even heard of the other books you mentioned.

 

People being big on freedoms except when it comes to certain things... it's been noted a lot lately that this whole thing of 'federal agents showing up and secretly carting people away' is EXACTLY what the right-wingers have been fearmongering about for decades... and here it now is... and suddenly they are silent...

Freedom is all well and good unless those 'other people' are given a dose of it...

 

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1 hour ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Oh and... books being required in the US... nope. Not just that we have a fractured education system where requirements can shift by locality in the extreme... but anything that challenges the 'majoritarian narrative' is almost always NOT read... Even if academics consider it a classic, you can be sure that most people, even those who reference it, haven't actually read it... Until about a year ago I always thought 'To Kill a Mockingbird' was some kind of thriller novel like an Alfred Hitchcock movie... as in, yeah; I've never read it and barely have any idea of it's contents... I hvaven't even heard of the other books you mentioned.

Watermelon Man is a movie from the late 60's or early 70's, its in the vein of Black Like me, but its a comedy. It's probably on Youtube.

https://youtu.be/5lkW0mTByNo

Sorry to Bother You is another movie, it touches on Race and seems like a comedy, but then it goes into a pretty serious social commentary that seriously slaps you in the face. That's maybe a couple years old, I saw it on Hulu.

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19 hours ago, Janet Voxel said:

I mean, rationally, I thought (and maybe its the Canadian in me talking) it'd be fine to talk about books or films that would make you more aware. I thought books like Native Son and To Kill a Mockingbird were required reading at least in the US and that maybe it would even branch out into other lesser known films and books like The Watermelon Man or even things that touch on both race and class like Sorry to Bother You. 

Was I expecting too much?

Doncha know, certain people feel they popped out of their mother's womb knowing everything. To suggest they develop awareness is insulting...

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