Ceka Cianci Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Drake1 Nightfire said: If the men in your life dont act like the men in the ad, how was it even remotely targeting them? That comes off as #NotAllMen #NotAllWhitePeople #NotAllAmericans #NotAllStraightPeople I thought that thinking was wrong? Thats what we men have been told when we say "i dont do____." It was at a time when there was a big man hating campaign going on.. I said it in posts before this one and I'm done repeating it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: lol I liked what he said about men not being able to sit through a 2 minute commercial without losing their minds and going to Twitter to cry about it (the Gillette commercial). Who started posting videos by this guy earlier? He's very wise although his appearance with the scraggly beard and posting from a garage made me think of an uninformed red neck before I truly listened to him. He's awesome, I love him! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayke Newall Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: Can you show me articles or videos regarding the Father's Day trashing? I never heard of that. It is actually still going on and has been for years. Here is an example from before the Gillette Ad where they wanted to call it (not mothers day but specifically Fathers Day in Australia) 'Special Persons Day'. http://australianmarriage.org/fathers-day-cancelled/ 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said: 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: Can you show me articles or videos regarding the Father's Day trashing? I never heard of that. It is actually still going on and has been for years. Here is an example from before the Gillette Ad where they wanted to call it (not mothers day but specifically Fathers Day in Australia) 'Special Persons Day'. http://australianmarriage.org/fathers-day-cancelled/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fathers-day-protest-photo/ ----- They are gay and gay marriage bashers. There's no movement to stop fathers day...give me a break. And Drake, that other website you posted earlier about the 'get woke go broke' & the Gillette ad.....they are Trump worshipers with lots of incorrect facts. You really need come up with more credible references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fathers-day-protest-photo/ ----- They are gay and gay marriage bashers. There's no movement to stop fathers day...give me a break. And Drake, that other website you posted earlier about the 'get woke go broke' & the Gillette ad.....they are Trump worshipers with lots of incorrect facts. You really need come up with more credible references. I thought I got upset when I seen people wanting it banned..this guy is next level hehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said: It was at a time when there was a big man hating campaign going on.. I believe this time of the big man hating campaign was only in your imagination... The Me Too movement was not about hating men -- it was about ending violence against women. Edited July 12, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said: I thought I got upset when I seen people wanting it banned..this guy is next level hehehehe There are some very strange people on YouTube and Twitter...in their own little world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akane Nacht Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Ceka Cianci said: If the add pissed me off because I took it as a company trying to gain a cheap sale at the expense of insulting my husband and the men in my life, then that's how I took it..it's my perspective.. yup. On the plus side, it made me more aware of the products I buy and who produces them. A lot of companies don't bear close scrutiny when it comes to ethics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Akane Nacht said: yup. On the plus side, it made me more aware of the products I buy and who produces them. A lot of companies don't bear close scrutiny when it comes to ethics. Their ethics were aligned with and reflect the values of those who don't want to see women abused any longer, even if they were trying to sell razors. We have a severe domestic violence problem here, and way too many sexual assaults on women, not to mention multiple other types of abuse -- toxic masculinity is a real problem here -- not all men engage in it, but enough so that it needed/needs to be addressed. Advising men to be better is highly ethical, as they did in the commercial. We Believe: The Best Men Can Be Edited July 12, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Drayke Newall Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fathers-day-protest-photo/ ----- They are gay and gay marriage bashers. There's no movement to stop fathers day...give me a break. What does that snopes page have to do with discrediting the link I made about many child care centres in Australia attempting to change Fathers Day to Special Persons Day. Go to the links in that page. They point to an article where a Professor of Social something or rather in child care was lobbying for Fathers Day to be renamed and in many cases in those child centres did. Go find a snopes page on that saying its false. Quote And Drake, that other website you posted earlier about the 'get woke go broke' & the Gillette ad.....they are Trump worshipers with lots of incorrect facts. You really need come up with more credible references. Its a ******* list who gives two hoots who made it. Did you bother going to the links all shown in that page for each one of those things and actually read the numerous non Trump supporter links showing it? How about you go look at the reactions, comments numerous negative press those items in the list shows about being woke. Go look at the numerous youtube videos of influences (they have that name for a reason) blasting those items in that list about going woke or attacking their client base for a political agenda. How about this link for Gillette Ad from forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/charlesrtaylor/2019/01/15/why-gillettes-new-ad-campaign-is-toxic/#3d5e310f5bc9 That link specifically shows how it was a terrible ad for its toxicity due to attacking males. It also tells of many comments of not buying the product again and guess what they saw a $12 billion decline that quarter due to that add. Even people in this thread have stated they stopped buying cause of that ad. But let me guess forbes in a trump magazine or the journalist is a trump supporter. Good grief, there was a time when people took something for what it is i.e. a list and didn't go oh but that is a trump xyz or is left, right, centre etc. I don't live in America but apparently me not watching those movies (for those reasons) like terminator (which was a flop) where they specifically killed off the lead of over 30 years to a female or made the lead of starwars (which was a flop) outdo (a mary sue) every male jedi prior (with those male jedi's being far better trained and far more knowledgeable). I don't buy Gillette anymore either due to that ad. Ad, movies all that should be just that ad's for a product and movies for entertainment. Leave all the political and other world issues out of them. I want to know why I should by a razor, such as it has 5 blades and is comfortable. I don't buy things because x company think they need to tell me their political stance or think they need to dictate their beliefs or ideals to me. I left religion because of that i don't want it being forced at me from companies either. I buy a product for just that - a product. Not because the razor comes with a serve of man bashing. Edited July 12, 2020 by Drayke Newall 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ceka Cianci Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Just now, Luna Bliss said: How do you feel about the Me Too movement? I'm not taking your test Luna.. You're just gonna have to go by your experience with me.. If my post about an advertisement has you null and voiding everything about me, then there we sit.. I feel you're just revving up to drag me through the mud, where I was concerned awhile back in trying to prevent it from happening to you. I'm not gonna throw down unless I get thrown down on.. If you're lost or even really concerned on where I sit, then you'll just have to pick it up along the way or from the past.. Basically just use your judgement on what you have already.. if that's not good enough then nothing ever will be. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said: What You've derailed the thread long enough with your razor issues, no doubt your intent. I'm going back to discussing the thread title -- 'getting woke' related to POC and the movement taking place in America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akane Nacht Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Nah, Gillette's move was just a marketing ploy that met with lukewarm success. From what I read, P&G still showed good growth, mainly for SK-II and Olay (skin lightening products. lel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said: I feel you're just revving up to drag me through the mud, where I was concerned awhile back in trying to prevent it from happening to you. No I was trying to get a sense of how you make distinctions between the validity of Me Too and the abuse of women permeating our society vs believing there has been too much "man hating" going on. I think you're imagining the latter for the most part unless you've been seeing something I have not been seeing in my neighborhood or media excursions, but that's no big deal. I'm sure I don't always perceive every situation accurately myself. I'd like to get back to discussing 'becoming woke' related to POC though....which was the main purpose of this thread. We'll have other times to discuss women's oppression I am sure! Edited July 12, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) Be careful if you're out tearing down confederate statues this weekend: Edited July 12, 2020 by Luna Bliss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayke Newall Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: You've derailed the thread long enough with your razor issues, no doubt your intent. I'm going back to discussing the thread title -- 'getting woke' related to POC and the movement taking place in America. WTF, I have in no way derailed this thread at all and that seems to be your typical response to everything I or someone else says where you cant prove otherwise or that shows a different perspective. Firstly, it was you who brought the discussion to employers becoming woke, which is what I originally responded to you about. It was others that responded saying that they also took offence at the ad. Secondly, if you had bothered to read it correctly (which clearly you never do), my original post using 'an employer getting woke' in the Gillette ad was about how it discriminately gave the view that POC treat women better. Here I will quote what I said: Quote Using their ad, of the 43 abusive males in their 'woke' ad – 42 were white. 7 of the 8 hero men in the ad were black. Rather than showing an even percentage of white and black people being the hero's and an even percentage being 'abusive' they not only dominated it with males (their target audience) being abusive to females but what's more also stated through the ad that white males were worse than black males. I then used that point to highlight that the word woke is toxic now days due to such discriminative views and perhaps the word should be looked at being changed. So I refute your accusation of me derailing the topic when, in fact I was talking exactly about as you put it "'getting woke' related to POC and the movement taking place in America". The difference is I used that very 'wokeness' to imply discrimination against white males vs black males, which perhaps doesn't go with your agenda. EDIT: Note, I also didn't even mention in that original post my thoughts on the ad at all. I logically and factually responded leaving my opinion out of the that discussion as I wanted a factual discussion relating to how the ad showed discrimination without any bias from my thoughts. Edited July 12, 2020 by Drayke Newall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukubia Scarmon Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Do you think Star wars would not have flopped if a guy had played the exact same role as Rey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comitose Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said: Is some one sided politically motivated you tube streamer supposed set me straight and teach me the ways of the world? No--- you can take a free college course. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayke Newall Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Sukubia Scarmon said: Do you think Star wars would not have flopped if a guy had played the exact same role as Rey? I am not saying that. I think and the majority also thought it was good they had a female such as Rey as the lead. The problem many had including me is that she was shown to be a Mary Sue. For example Luke Skywalker was a Jedi Master. Through his saga he was shown as learning how to become a Jedi, use his powers etc and it took him effort. The problem with Rey was that she was stronger than him from the get go with very little to no training. This had the consequence of giving that Mary Sue feel and making the other male leads who should have been far more powerful due to decades of training weak. I am not saying that a female Jedi cant be stronger than a male jedi master, however showing it straight away without much training was the flaw that many didn't like and saw it flop. For another perspective it took 3 movies to show improvement in Luke where even at the last point he struggled to defeat the emperor (in fact he didn't even defeat him it was Vader that did). With Rey she could do everything Luke could from episode 2 and could defeat many force users that should be more powerful than her with ease. The books may have not given this perspective, I don't know I haven't read them however the movies still should have given at least some form of progression in her powers but they didn't show that. Edited July 12, 2020 by Drayke Newall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyssa Greymoon Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Sukubia Scarmon said: Do you think Star wars would not have flopped if a guy had played the exact same role as Rey? It’s interesting how a series of films that grossed over four billion dollars combined can be characterized as a flop. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayke Newall Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said: It’s interesting how a series of films that grossed over four billion dollars combined can be characterized as a flop. It is considered a flop not due to the saga grossing over 4 billion but, because from that they saw a loss of 1 billion in each consecutive movie from the first (half of that gross was from the first movie alone) as well as an entire backlash against Disney owned Star Wars, its actors, head of Lucas Arts, firing of Rian, etc. Not to mention the loss of revenue cause by people unhappy with the first movie negatively impacting other Star Wars future franchises such as Han Solo etc. Edited July 12, 2020 by Drayke Newall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukubia Scarmon Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 So the reason was bad storytelling then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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