Hookers, or not?

[Bagnu 1,948]

On 6/15/2020 at 3:01 AM, Caroline Takeda said:

Almost every person who hired me as an escort, was expecting sex for their money.
I can actually only remember one person who paid me to chat with him about sex.

Let's be realistic: Sl escorts are virtual prostitutes and there is nothing wrong with that.
In my country it is also legal and it is not against the TOS either.

To me it feels wrong to charge people money just to spend some time with them.
Stuff like going dancing, sailing, chatting and so on I do for free, always.

Of course Caroline is correct, but it isn't legal everywhere, so Escorting is a way of maintaining legality.  Just extra "insurance" . I  have never charged anyone to go dancing or that sort of thing.

I was paid a decent amount of $L last night by a guy who wanted to chat. I DIDN'T CHARGE HIM!!! He kept paying me as we chatted, and I told him I didn't want to be paid for having a friendly chat!!!  I have also been paid for giving a free fashion show to a guy to ask his opinion on some of my outfits. I shocks me that these guys freely give $L when they don't have to!!!

The only time I charge for chat is when it's Erotic Roleplay. I've had guys want me to sissify them, and they just want text. Sometimes they wan't RP which could be visual in SL,  so I explain that so they can have a better experience. Sometimes they want that, but not always.

 

 

[Paul Hexem 2,544]

8 hours ago, Bagnu said:

Stuff about donations

You know, it's not that strange that many men in SL would just randomly give out L$. Look at the marketplace sometime. There's virtually nothing for men of any decent quality (comparatively speaking).

When you've got nothing to spend it on, why not give it away?

[Caroline Takeda 509]

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maintaining legality

@Bagnu

The legal aspect is totally different:
Virtually simulated paid sex is not considered prostitution. It is pornography. Hence legally speaking we are not hookers nor are we escorts. We are porn producer.

Hence to make sure you are legal, check the laws about pornography in your country not the ones about prostitution.
This applies to paid and unpaid sexual acts (or better: simulations) in Second Life or any other online sex game.

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 I've had guys want me to sissify them,

Big market.
Humiliation and having to pay for it another big one.
Or  "findom", you need one and you are set for a couple of months.

Edited June 17 by Caroline Takeda

[Dano Seale 1,157]

11 hours ago, Bagnu said:

I shocks me that these guys freely give $L when they don't have to!!!

Sounds like "findom"....or "finsub" in their case!  (I seriously need to get Jenna into that! lol).

On 6/16/2020 at 9:28 AM, Syo Emerald said:

Anyone can be brought, its just the price that varies.

Overheard in a nightclub:
Mediocre looking Guy - "Would you sleep with me for £5,000?"
"hot" girl - "Hmm...I guess so, sure!"
Mediocre looking guy - "Would you sleep with me for £50?"
"hot" girl - "EWWW! No way, what do you think I am?"
Mediocre looking guy - "Well we've already established that. Now we're just haggling over the price!"
😆

[Caroline Takeda 509]

Hmm

maybe I should start an AMA (ask me anything).
🙂

 

[Bagnu 1,948]

There really should be a wall of shame at dedicated Escorting sites for guys who say they "don't pay"!!! They have no business coming, and it's degrading to us!!! 

[Selene Gregoire 10,162]

12 hours ago, Caroline Takeda said:

Hmm

maybe I should start an AMA (ask me anything).
🙂

 

You know, that might not be a bad idea if several of you formed a group where people could come and AYA. It might also help attract clients. 

[Han Held 302]

On 6/6/2020 at 3:54 AM, GemmaStone9 said:

I often wonder how many of the ladies standing around - looking glamorous and sexy - are hookers. Am I being cynical, or what?

Make offers, collect ARs -if you end up banned from SLthen you'll have your answer. 

 

[to be clear, I'm implying they would ar GemmaStone9 ...not the reverse]

[Selene Gregoire 10,162]

2 minutes ago, Han Held said:

Make offers, collect ARs -if you end up banned from SLthen you'll have your answer. 

 

[to be clear, I'm implying they would ar GemmaStone9 ...not the reverse]

It might be time to change your sig to VVO. 

[Han Held 302]

Just now, Selene Gregoire said:

It might be time to change your sig to VVO. 

Crap -I forgot I even had a sig! 😮 Thank you for the head's up! 😊

[Selene Gregoire 10,162]

1 minute ago, Han Held said:

Crap -I forgot I even had a sig! 😮 Thank you for the head's up! 😊

You're welcome. lol

[Bagnu 1,948]

14 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:

You know, that might not be a bad idea if several of you formed a group where people could come and AYA. It might also help attract clients. 

Two of my friends and I are really upset at these guys, and we're going to see if we can get the wall of shame implemented somehow by talking to the sim owners. We put a lot of time and effort and $L into being who we are, so we expect to be appreciated!!!

[Han Held 302]

...I have like 3 mesh bodies, as many catwa heads, tons of mesh hairs and clothes but no one, absolutely no-one would confuse me for a fashionista. And that's not going into the time spent reading blogs whining to friends for helping figuring all this out...

Even with that, no-one would ever accuse me of being a fashionista. I'm very, very much on the low end.

My point being that the rest of us aren't just simply hitting Freebie Galaxy and calling it a day. These days making a proper avatar takes time and effort, period -even for the men! (yes, I know a lot don't bother, that's to let you know they don't care ...and that you probably shouldn't care either 😛 )

 

Edited June 18 by Han Held

[Bagnu 1,948]

Lol, no one would ever ever accuse me of NOT being a fashionista!!!

Some freebies are good though, I'v gotten shoes that are as good as $L300 ones!!! But it takes time on marketplace to find them!!!

[Han Held 302]

2 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

Some freebies are good though, I'v gotten shoes that are as good as $L300 ones!!! But it takes time on marketplace to find them!!!

Absolutely! Personally I'm more of a fan of group gifts. There's a ton of times I've paid L$100 or so (for the group fee) and walked out with 10 times or more worth of stuff. 

Edited June 18 by Han Held

[Bagnu 1,948]

2 minutes ago, Han Held said:

Absolutely! Personally I'm more of a fan of group gifts. There's a ton of times I've paid L$100 or so (for the group fee) and walked out with 10 times or more worth of stuff. 

I usually shop marketplace, because of what I am. I'm picky, and plus I can't always be on SL due to RL privacy, but I CAN do marketplace!!!

[Han Held 302]

I tried sexwork early, early on -back when Han Held was still just a banking account that I'd raid to dress my alts with. 

Late 2009, I was a dancer and my first week I had a psycho in my ims who would send me very disturbing messages of pure hatred and resentment for women. No threats, just creepy amounts of seething hatred. 

So...no judgement from me, other than my hats' off to whoever does it for having the fortitude I certainly don't have. 

That said, my understanding (from talking to other folks in the Zindra side of SL) is that if you're going to make any signifigant amount of money, you're going to need to voice -period. Emotes largely don't cut it. 

But I don't know from personal experience. The slex I have these days is paid for in mutual enjoyment and there isn't enough gold in Fort Knox to entice me into opening myself up to the risk of coming across that kind of seething oozing creepy hatred again. **shudders, hugs myself and runs off to scrub off the ick**

Edited June 18 by Han Held

[Bagnu 1,948]

6 minutes ago, Han Held said:

I tried sexwork early, early on -back when Han Held was still just a banking account that I'd raid to dress my alts with. 

Late 2009, I was a dancer and my first week I had a psycho in my ims who would send me very disturbing messages of pure hatred and resentment for women. No threats, just creepy amounts of seething hatred. 

So...no judgement from me, other than my hats' off to whoever does it for having the fortitude I certainly don't have. 

That said, my understanding (from talking to other folks in the Zindra side of SL) is that if you're going to make any significant amount of money, you're going to need to voice -period. Emotes largely don't cut it. 

But I don't know from personal experience. The slex I have these days is paid for in mutual enjoyment and there isn't enough gold in Fort Knox to entice me into opening myself up to the risk of coming across that kind of seething oozing creepy hatred again. **shudders, hugs myself and runs off to scrub off the ick**

I do it to live a fantasy. And YES it can be hard and scary. I've been RL scared and angry because of some guys That's why we don't give any RL info!!! Most are nice though. I don't expect to make serious RL $ this way. It pays for my outfits, and it's what I like in SL. It's exciting to me!!! But I give anyone major ***** who is disrespectful!!!

[Han Held 302]

15 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

 it's what I like in SL. It's exciting to me!!! But I give anyone major ***** who is disrespectful!!!

That's reason enough -sounds like you've got the right perspective there! 💖 

I've talked to people who are erotic dancers (in-game) over the years and they tell me that one of the things that's important -even in virtual (because our feelings are real) is to make sure that the people you work with or work for have your back, both in ejecting jerks and giving you support when the jerks show up. 

[Bagnu 1,948]

Our feelings ARE real, Even in virtual!!!

[Caroline Takeda 509]

4 hours ago, Han Held said:

Late 2009, I was a dancer and my first week I had a psycho in my ims who would send me very disturbing messages of pure hatred and resentment for women. No threats, just creepy amounts of seething hatred. 

 That stuff is easy to avoid for me.

I don't work in a public club anymore. I get clients typically via my websites.
I follow up the enquiry and make an appointment at either his place or my penthouse created for that purpose.

If the guy gets weird and I am at his place I can simply TP out. At my place even easier: Eject , ban, block.

[Talligurl 40,410]

On June 6, 2020 at 8:16 AM, Alwin Alcott said:

ask them?  ..."are you a hooker" .. please post the replies...lol

I am not, but if someone IMs me that question out of the blue My response is going to be "how much are you wiling to pay"

[Dano Seale 1,157]

What's needed is an escort training academy - "Let us turn you from a "hooker" to a "book her"!.... type of thing!  
"We can teach you the do's and don't's, the up's and down's, the in's and out's, tips and tricks. We'll teach you how to pleasure your clients to the best of your abilities using our in-house "training client" 'Dano' ( 😁 )!  Earn your escort 'Diploma', signed and verified by professor Caroline Takeda. 
Use our exclusive "join today, pay tomorrow" offer, open until 20/07/01 and get ahead in the SL escorting world!

....just an idea!  🙂
 

[Bagnu 1,948]

7 hours ago, Dano Seale said:

What's needed is an escort training academy - "Let us turn you from a "hooker" to a "book her"!.... type of thing!  
"We can teach you the do's and don't's, the up's and down's, the in's and out's, tips and tricks. We'll teach you how to pleasure your clients to the best of your abilities using our in-house "training client" 'Dano' ( 😁 )!  Earn your escort 'Diploma', signed and verified by professor Caroline Takeda. 
Use our exclusive "join today, pay tomorrow" offer, open until 20/07/01 and get ahead in the SL escorting world!

....just an idea!  🙂
 

Caroline offers the closest thing to that!!! It's not with Dano though lol!!!

Edited June 18 by Bagnu

[Amina Sopwith 6,844]

13 hours ago, Dano Seale said:

What's needed is an escort training academy - "Let us turn you from a "hooker" to a "book her"!.... type of thing!  
"We can teach you the do's and don't's, the up's and down's, the in's and out's, tips and tricks. We'll teach you how to pleasure your clients to the best of your abilities using our in-house "training client" 'Dano' ( 😁 )!  
 

Haha, yeah. Because men are so hard to please.