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3 hours ago, Blake1111Coverdale said:

 The significant sudden drop in the value of Linden money recently from around 270per dollar  to 258 per dollar...and falling... makes me highly suspicious and curious about the orchestration and the timing on all of this.

That's backwards. As the number of L$s you can get per dollar falls, the value of the L$ rises. Maybe that's what you meant anyway, I'm not following how the exchange rate adjustment is suspect, either way. (The effects definitely do compound each other, if you have to pay a higher L$ price and each L$ you buy costs a little more US$s.)

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We have put a lot of thought in to the various things we can do with the mainland.  That included consideration for moving parcel owners around.  We decided that right now, with the pandemic and peopl

The problem has nothing to do with how SL scales; it's that we have only so many server boxes and so much space in our datacenter to put them in (our servers are located in a facility in Phoenix; none

At the present, we're not going to be looking at any sort of down-sizing, rebuilding or re-configuring of the old Linden Homes regions.   Work has not stopped on the new Linden Homes either.  We have

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On 5/15/2020 at 1:32 AM, Patch Linden said:

We do have a healthy supply of mainland, up to and including some entire full mainland regions that we can make available via auction.

I would love to be able to purchase a full mainland region that has been abandoned.

My roommates and I have tried putting in tickets to acquire adjacent abandoned lots beside our land which includes most of a region but it looks like customer service is a bit overwhelmed right now and they haven't answered our tickets yet. If we can get what's abandoned in the adjacent region we can at least start building. 

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4 hours ago, Zandrae Nova said:

I would love to be able to purchase a full mainland region that has been abandoned.

My roommates and I have tried putting in tickets to acquire adjacent abandoned lots beside our land which includes most of a region but it looks like customer service is a bit overwhelmed right now and they haven't answered our tickets yet.

how long ago ?... it's been pretty normal these totally nón urgent issues are handled in around a week in the past, with the current situation perhaps one or two days longer?

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I'm speculating that it's taking awhile to get a response and will probably take a while longer than normal because there's probably a whole lot of people requesting land because it's not possible to buy a new regions right now

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On 5/20/2020 at 2:09 PM, Zandrae Nova said:

.... there's probably a whole lot of people requesting land because it's not possible to buy a new regions right now

*puts hand up*  I'm one of those people. Asked to be put on a waiting list if there is one for when regions do get dropped back into the pool.

It would be great if they had a wait list, along with a form to submit your name to it and check boxes for the region type/s you are after.
Then they wouldn't need to have tickets about it, and would have a list to pull from as they do have regions available.

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On 5/15/2020 at 12:31 AM, ChinRey said:

Oh no. There are surprisingly many vacancies in the old Linden Homes now but the regions aren't anywhere near empty and unless LL starts actively evicting people, there's no reason to beleive they will be in the foreseeable future.

  

I would be very suprised if that doesn't include most SL users. I mean, where is the average SL'er supposed to hear about those new homes? The ones who read the official bloghs and log on to the forums is a very tiny minority after all.

This is especially true for the Linden Homes owners since most of them doesn't seem to be active in SL at all anymore - they're "Rip van Winkles" who keep their SL homes for old time's sake but hardly ever log in and certainly don't keep track on what's happening in SL.

hmmm, interesting, I have been a  premium member for the best part of ten years, have a Linden home and also own a couple of private regions ... I'm active in SL every day ...but i don;t follow any blogs or posts and rarely read forums (only came here because this thread caught my eye) but I have heard nothing about new Linden homes - as far as I've noticed I haven't had any communication from LL about it - what is that all about? are the new homes nicer than the cramped old ones?

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19 minutes ago, Ashlee Cadell said:

hmmm, interesting, I have been a  premium member for the best part of ten years, have a Linden home and also own a couple of private regions ... I'm active in SL every day ...but i don;t follow any blogs or posts and rarely read forums (only came here because this thread caught my eye) but I have heard nothing about new Linden homes - as far as I've noticed I haven't had any communication from LL about it - what is that all about? are the new homes nicer than the cramped old ones?

There's no good way to communicate with the entire grid, even for LL. Yes, the new ones are nicer than the old ones. Check out the Linden Homes section that's a couple down from this section in the Land Forum. Lots of pictures and discussion. The new area is a continent called Bellisseria, and it's already as big or bigger than some of the mainland continents.

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1 hour ago, Parhelion Palou said:

There's no good way to communicate with the entire grid, even for LL. Yes, the new ones are nicer than the old ones. Check out the Linden Homes section that's a couple down from this section in the Land Forum. Lots of pictures and discussion. The new area is a continent called Bellisseria, and it's already as big or bigger than some of the mainland continents.

Thanks, I'll have a look .... my underlying point here, of course, is that I consider myself very active in SL,  albeit without bothering to look at blogs etc ... so I imagine that are a huge number of premium members who have no clue about this.

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2 hours ago, Ashlee Cadell said:

are the new homes nicer than the cramped old ones?

If you feel the old ones are cramped, the new houses are actually considerably smaller. They do come with plenty of garden around them though.

As for the looks, beauty is in the eye of the beholder so you have to make up your mind for yourself.

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2 hours ago, Ashlee Cadell said:

Thanks, I'll have a look .... my underlying point here, of course, is that I consider myself very active in SL,  albeit without bothering to look at blogs etc ... so I imagine that are a huge number of premium members who have no clue about this.

And the new homes is sold out. It still comes up a few abandoned ones, so it is not totally dry.

I do not know if it is an official statement some place, how many they have made. I think it is 20 000 now? But LL will make 40 000, and start to move people over from the old homes (Meadowbrook, et. al) Here is pictures of all types: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:New_Linden_Homes_2019

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Mediev Nostram said:

Why would it take until the Fall to move sims from SL servers to AWS servers? 

Because the simulator software isn't ready to be on AWS servers. It's currently running in a single Linden-owned data center on a configuration that Linden Lab created. They've been working on it for a couple years, but the simulator software isn't ready to be running on cloud servers. LL thinks they're close. I'd be surprised if they manage it in the fall.

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16 hours ago, Parhelion Palou said:

Because the simulator software isn't ready to be on AWS servers. It's currently running in a single Linden-owned data center on a configuration that Linden Lab created. They've been working on it for a couple years, but the simulator software isn't ready to be running on cloud servers. LL thinks they're close. I'd be surprised if they manage it in the fall.

They've been working on it a couple years and still haven't been able to make their software run on another server?  Seriously?  That kind of failure doesn't seem possible. 

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58 minutes ago, Mediev Nostram said:

They've been working on it a couple years and still haven't been able to make their software run on another server?  Seriously?  That kind of failure doesn't seem possible. 

It's not a server, it's a system. LL has built a system that's tailored to SL - servers, some special hardware, networks, etc. They have to get the same performance out of cloud servers, plus deal with security issues they didn't have in their own data center.

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1 hour ago, Mediev Nostram said:

They've been working on it a couple years and still haven't been able to make their software run on another server?  Seriously?  That kind of failure doesn't seem possible. 

Some things are more difficult than they might seem at first glance. For instance, a landowner might try using an alt or friend on a forum to draw attention to their own listings and belittle a competitor's ones, but it can very quickly look cheesy and obvious.

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18 hours ago, Mediev Nostram said:

They've been working on it a couple years and still haven't been able to make their software run on another server?  Seriously?  That kind of failure doesn't seem possible. 

when your WHOLE stack is custom,  even the Linux OS you run,  it's going to take a bit to port everything over and do testing to make sure it's working as it did in the physical data center.  it's just not HERE AWS TAKE IT AND RUN! 

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On 5/15/2020 at 2:06 PM, CassandraLynne Cloud said:

Alright.. So any Residents Selling Regions? Haha I was just about to purchase two. if anyone is selling HMU !!

I know someone that has 2 private regions up for sale. Not sure if they have sold yet or not. If interested, leave me an IM and notecard in world.

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On 5/18/2020 at 1:53 PM, Blake1111Coverdale said:

I have had the same homestead region over one year that I leased from one of the long time 3rd party Land Barons this time last year.  I pay a bit over 6k per week for it... but what bothers me is after this announcement from LL... is that all 3rd party land barons have now suddenly RAISED their tier prices dramatically and are now price gouging.  My landlord company went up over 1000 a week in less than 4 weeks for homesteads....and the chungs... they have raised their homestead tiers since this announcement from 7599 week to 8999 a week... same land, same amount of prims.  The significant sudden drop in the value of Linden money recently from around 270per dollar  to 258 per dollar...and falling... makes me highly suspicious and curious about the orchestration and the timing on all of this.
In business as many know there are three ways to create profit... sell more...  make cuts someplace or create artificial shortage of something... anything.... which then adds value to what " IS STILL " available... and then prices get raised.  Supply and demand. Nothing new, the knowledge is thousand years old at least.  

I rent a full region, and the tier has been increased twice in the past month @ 1,000L/week each time. When I asked about it, I got some canned response about how the LL economy is the best it has been in a decade and yadda, yadda. The shortage of new regions will continue to drive up the rental market, no doubt. The landlords can do what they want. I'm pissed and will probably take my business elsewhere.

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1 hour ago, Tastee Puddles said:

I rent a full region, and the tier has been increased twice in the past month @ 1,000L/week each time. When I asked about it, I got some canned response about how the LL economy is the best it has been in a decade and yadda, yadda. The shortage of new regions will continue to drive up the rental market, no doubt. The landlords can do what they want. I'm pissed and will probably take my business elsewhere.

I hope you manage to find another at a better rate. I would not stand for a price rise unless the owner were having to fund a rise in their own costs in their tier having had been raised. To increase the price purely because they feel they can make more from the situation is simply robbery. Loyalty works both ways, and the only way to show your displeasure is to walk away.

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On 5/24/2020 at 7:51 AM, PrudenceAnton said:

I know someone that has 2 private regions up for sale. Not sure if they have sold yet or not. If interested, leave me an IM and notecard in world.

Update: Both regions have already been sold.

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On 5/24/2020 at 6:14 PM, Sister Nova said:

I hope you manage to find another at a better rate. I would not stand for a price rise unless the owner were having to fund a rise in their own costs in their tier having had been raised. To increase the price purely because they feel they can make more from the situation is simply robbery. Loyalty works both ways, and the only way to show your displeasure is to walk away.

I agree! I checked my tier box again today to find a third 1,000L increase. This seems to be a weekly event now. I'm sure they would not appreciate LL raising their fees without notice with the same excuse. I doubt I'll be sticking around once my time runs out.

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For folks that are "newish", some history. 

 

In 2006 there was a Linden mainland shortage. There was no "free land". "Free Land wasn't really free of course, you paid a linden per square meter, so $512 but that price was well below market value of the time.   Eventually there was land available again.   A few years later there was another shortage and prices skyrocketed. This was likely in the BOOM Times but I am not sure what year; it was before the casino ban however.   People were picketing and telling other not to buy in order to get the price down. This was peer to peer mostly mainland. 

 

A couple more years down the road prices spiked again on mainland. I sold two 512 lots for $20,000 each -- and quickly. 

 

Virtual land isn't much different than corporeal land and prices rise and fall --- rents do the same.  In my RL area (before COVID) rental prices had increased 30 percent in one year. I have no idea what they will be after the virus dust settles.   None of my virtual landlords have raised their rents.  I agree $1000 per week increase is possibly not the best business decision.  It is a hassle to move but eventually folks will simply do that.   Still, none of this is new -- OR simply part of the virtual scene. It is supply and demand economics. 

 

 

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