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2 minutes ago, AyelaNewLife said:

My legal argument is now in tatters, and that swings the balance back towards agreeing with you here.

❤️ YOU.

I certainly have more to say, and I'm sure I will, but I'm exhausted from this topic today and I'm ready to put it to bed for a while. 

Thank you, though, sincerely. I appreciate your words more than you know. 

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1 minute ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

actually they are, if someone who was underage got hurt because of something that happened here LL can be held accountable for it. just like if you went to any other club or place and something happened to you and you got hurt you could sue that club for it happening on their grounds or because of them.

What? I mean, seriously? Do you realize that SL is not a brick and mortar place where one can slip and fall because the floorboards are laid unevenly?

Sorry, but I like my discussions/debate to be at least somewhat logical and not full of every fallacy on the books and a few thrown in besides. Yeesh. You're just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks, if anything (and so far, I see nothing that suggests anything is sticking on merit).

 

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50 minutes ago, Aethelwine said:

Porno companies host adult pictures on the internet including those of female nipples without any age test requirements from California, the law has nothing to do with this.

On reputation with parents, that boat sailed a long time ago. Nipples on the forum is not even close to being anything that could damage SL's reputation.

You dont really know that. You want to assume and that is where there the problem is. There is a lot of people out there that would be very outraged if womens nipples were allowed on these forums.

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1 minute ago, Seicher Rae said:

What? I mean, seriously? Do you realize that SL is not a brick and mortar place where one can slip and fall because the floorboards are laid unevenly?

Sorry, but I like my discussions/debate to be at least somewhat logical and not full of every fallacy on the books and a few thrown in besides. Yeesh. You're just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks, if anything (and so far, I see nothing that suggests anything is sticking on merit).

 

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There is emotional and mental trauma that can be caused by what people do here. I guess you dont realize that.  And yes LL could be held accountable for it if a parent or individual wanted to make a case about it.

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Just now, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

There is emotional and mental trauma that can be caused by what people do here. I guess you dont realize that. 

You mean like the ones you're giving me and others with your fallacious posits?

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3 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

You dont really know that. You want to assume and that is where there the problem is. There is a lot of people out there that would be very outraged if womens nipples were allowed on these forums.

Who and why?

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3 minutes ago, Aethelwine said:

Who and why?

Any extremist church groups that might use SL. and yes they do exist even in sl. Or anyone in general that does not believe in public nudity and yes there are some in sl that are like that.

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15 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

❤️ YOU.

I certainly have more to say, and I'm sure I will, but I'm exhausted from this topic today and I'm ready to put it to bed for a while. 

Thank you, though, sincerely. I appreciate your words more than you know. 

❤️

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1 minute ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Any extremist church groups that might use SL. and yes they do exist even in sl.

Okay that is a who and quite possibly they also complain and campaign against nudity in our art galleries.

But that doesn't answer why we should care?

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1 minute ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Not false by any means. Nice try and discrediting me and failing.

Fallacious as more in fawlty or flawed, and yeah, no... not failing. And from what I've read that you've written, trust me, you don't want me to go over each and every one of your posits with a fine-toothed logic comb, because it wouldn't be pretty. But I would have to care to do that, and think you were worth the effort, which luckily for both of us, I don't. The few that I've done, though? Haven't seen a refutation. /me shrugs

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Just now, Aethelwine said:

Okay that is a who and quite possibly they also complain and campaign against nudity in our art galleries.

But that doesn't answer why we should care?

Neither does LL have to care you think its unfair, YOU nor anyone else is entitled to have SL or these forums be exactly how you want ever because you think something is unfair about how the do things.

Where as LL does have to care about the court of public opinion and what the media might say about it.

The user/customer/consumer is not always right and does not always get what they want.

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2 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

Fallacious as more in fawlty or flawed, and yeah, no... not failing. And from what I've read that you've written, trust me, you don't want me to go over each and every one of your posits with a fine-toothed logic comb, because it wouldn't be pretty. But I would have to care to do that, and think you were worth the effort, which luckily for both of us, I don't. The few that I've done, though? Haven't seen a refutation. /me shrugs

Not faulty or flawed at all. LL does not need to care if any of you in this thread doesnt like its current polices on what it allows on the forums.

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Just now, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Neither does LL have to care you think its unfair, YOU nor anyone else is entitled to have SL or these forums be exactly how you want ever because you think something is unfair about how the do things.

Where as LL does have to care about the court of public opinion and what the media might say about it.

The user/customer/consumer is not always right and does not always get what they want.

As you yourself pointed out earlier you can't please all the people all the time.

Not pleasing extremist religious groups seem like a small price to pay for all the benefits of inclusion and artistic freedom it brings.

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4 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:
5 minutes ago, Aethelwine said:

Who and why?

Any extremist church groups that might use SL. and yes they do exist even in sl. Or anyone in general that does not believe in public nudity and yes there are some in sl that are like that.

There are extremist church groups that are offended by black people and Jews. Should LL ban depictions of them, too?

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Just now, Madelaine McMasters said:

There are extremist church groups that are offended by black people and Jews. Should LL ban depictions of them, too?

I guess most people in these forums dont realize they make up less than 5% of the total userbase on sl. and LL is not going to change their polices over something they feel is just; to make the 5% happy.

toward the other question, they could if it became a big enough problem. where as not allowing nipples is not a big enough problem for them to adjust their polices for to make a few people happy here.

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5 minutes ago, Aethelwine said:

As you yourself pointed out earlier you can't please all the people all the time.

Not pleasing extremist religious groups seem like a small price to pay for all the benefits of inclusion and artistic freedom it brings.

what one may call artistic freedom another may call obscenity or pornography and unwanted or undesired.

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5 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Not faulty or flawed at all. LL does not need to care if any of you in this thread doesnt like its current polices on what it allows on the forums.

I don't think anyone is saying what you post here, so again, moot point dear. No one said they are "required" or "need to" care. They don't need to care about your words either, so why are you posting?

The OP stated there was a double standard. The OP said she'd bring the matter up to a governance meeting. The OP asked yay or nay. No where was it stated that LL was required, obligated or needed to do anything with any of it.

You keep dodging and weaving and yet...

And what weird hatred do you have against poor apostrophes? 

 

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sl is not a public place these forums are not a public place, there is no freedoms or rights or privileges or entitlements to anyone here other than what LL gives. They do not have to care if a few people feel any one single or group of polices is unfair. All they care about is the money at the end of the day, not making every single person that comes here and complains about something being unjust unfair, oppressive, not right being corrected or changed to suit that person. and they really wont care if anyone trys to use a poll or petition to get things changed either, they can ignore those as well. the users are not in control of the company, the users have little real say in what ll does with the company regardless if they like to think they do about anything here or inworld.

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6 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

what one may call artistic freedom another may call obscenity or pornography and unwanted or undesired.

And what might call a tuna fish sandwich. And since you seem on one hand to be arguing for what the "general population" wants, why go back to what one person in a fringe position may or may not say? These are rhetorical questions btw (look it up).

You do realize that you're not typing any kind of logical position, right?

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5 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

I don't think anyone is saying what you post here, so again, moot point dear. No one said they are "required" or "need to" care. They don't need to care about your words either, so why are you posting?

The OP stated there was a double standard. The OP said she'd bring the matter up to a governance meeting. The OP asked yay or nay. No where was it stated that LL was required, obligated or needed to do anything with any of it.

You keep dodging and weaving and yet...

And what weird hatred do you have against poor apostrophes? 

 

I post because I can, and I am fully aware they dont have to care what I say or think or fell either I am not delusional and think they do or have too.

There are double standards in life everywhere and complaining about them wont always get them changed.  LL doesnt have to change anything.. which some seem to think they do to be fair. life is not fair..

Shes if fully allowed to bring it up to the governance and the governance is fully allowed to ignore it if they choose.

nice try grammar nazi. I am not going to change how I type to make you happy. my point is easily understood by anyone with an iq above 10.

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4 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

the users have little real say in what ll does with the company regardless if they like to think they do about anything here or inworld.

Ah, see here is the crux of it. You have some kind of beef against LL and their complete and total disregard of the little people, and you claim they only fixate upon the almighty dollar.

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